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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 04:18 PM
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Guess what? New Business Week article saz, our GDP numbers are PHONEY!
Edited on Tue Jun-12-07 05:13 PM by Joanne98
It's that *&^% Elaine Chao! She's corrupted the Bureau of Labor Stats! It's time to get her AND her husband!


JUNE 18, 2007
http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/07_25/b4039001.htm?chan=top+news_top+news+index_businessweek+exclusives
COVER STORY
By Michael Mandel

The Real Cost Of Offshoring
U.S. data show that moving jobs overseas hasn't hurt the economy. Here's why those stats are wrong

Whenever critics of globalization complain about the loss of American jobs to low-cost countries such as China and India, supporters point to the powerful performance of the U.S. economy. And with good reason. Despite the latest slow quarter, official statistics show that America's economic output has grown at a solid 3.3% annual rate since 2003, a period when imports from low-cost countries have soared. Similarly, domestic manufacturing output has expanded at a decent pace. On the face of it, offshoring doesn't seem to be having much of an effect at all.

But new evidence suggests that shifting production overseas has inflicted worse damage on the U.S. economy than the numbers show. BusinessWeek has learned of a gaping flaw in the way statistics treat offshoring, with serious economic and political implications. Top government statisticians now acknowledge that the problem exists, and say it could prove to be significant.

The short explanation is that the growth of domestic manufacturing has been substantially overstated in recent years. That means productivity gains and overall economic growth have been overstated as well. And that raises questions about U.S. competitiveness and "helps explain why wage growth for most American workers has been weak," says Susan N. Houseman, an economist at the W.E. Upjohn Institute for Employment Research who identifies the distorting effects of offshoring in a soon-to-be-published paper.

FLY IN THE OINTMENT
The underlying problem is located in an obscure statistic: the import price data published monthly by the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS). Because of it, many of the cost cuts and product innovations being made overseas by global companies and foreign suppliers aren't being counted properly. And that spells trouble because, surprisingly, the government uses the erroneous import price data directly and indirectly as part of its calculation for many other major economic statistics, including productivity, the output of the manufacturing sector, and real gross domestic product (GDP), which is supposed to be the inflation-adjusted value of all the goods and services produced inside the U.S. (For a detailed explanation of how import price data are calculated and why the methodology is suspect, see page 34.)

The result? BusinessWeek's analysis of the import price data reveals offshoring to low-cost countries is in fact creating "phantom GDP"--reported gains in GDP that don't correspond to any actual domestic production. The only question is the magnitude of the disconnect. "There's something real here, but we don't know how much," says J. Steven Landefeld, director of the Bureau of Economic Analysis (BEA), which puts together the GDP figures. Adds Matthew J. Slaughter, an economist at the Amos Tuck School of Business at Dartmouth College who until last February was on President George W. Bush's Council of Economic Advisers: "There are potentially big implications. I worry about how pervasive this is."

By BusinessWeek's admittedly rough estimate, offshoring may have created about $66 billion in phantom GDP gains since 2003 (page 31). That would lower real GDP today by about half of 1%, which is substantial but not huge. But put another way, $66 billion would wipe out as much as 40% of the gains in manufacturing output over the same period.

It's important to emphasize the tenuousness of this calculation. In particular, it required BusinessWeek to make assumptions about the size of the cost savings from offshoring, information the government doesn't even collect.

GETTING WORSE
As a result, the actual size of phantom GDP could be a lot larger, or perhaps smaller. This estimate mainly focuses on the shift of manufacturing overseas. But phantom GDP can be created by the introduction of innovative new imported products or by the offshoring of research and development, design, and services as well--and there aren't enough data in those areas to take a stab at a calculation. "As these countries move up the value chain, the problem becomes worse and worse," says Jerry A. Hausman, a top economist at Massachusetts Institute of Technology. "You've put your finger on a real problem."

Alternatively, as Landefeld notes, the size of the overstatement could be smaller. One possible offset: Machinery and high-tech equipment shipped directly to businesses from foreign suppliers may generate less phantom GDP, just because of the way the numbers are constructed.

Depending on your attitude toward offshoring, the existence of phantom GDP is either testimony to the power of globalization or confirmation of long-held fears. The U.S. economy no longer stops at the water's edge. Global corporations often provide their foreign suppliers and overseas subsidiaries with business knowledge, management practices, training, and all sorts of other intangible exports not picked up in the government data. In return, they get back cheap products.

But the new numbers also require a reassessment of productivity and wages that could add fire to the national debate over the true performance of the economy in President Bush's second term. The official statistics show that productivity, or output per hour, grew at a 1.8% rate over the past three years. But taking the phantom GDP effect into account, the actual rate of productivity growth might be closer to 1.6%--about what it was in the 1980s.

More broadly, it becomes clear that "gains from trade are being measured instead of productivity," according to Robert C. Feenstra, an economist at the University of California at Davis and the director of the international trade and investment program at the National Bureau of Economic Research. "This has been missed."

Pat Byrne, the global managing partner of Accenture Ltd.'s (ACN ) supply-chain management practice, goes even further, suggesting that "at least half of U.S. productivity has been because of globalization." But quantifying this is tough, he notes, because most companies don't look at how much of their productivity growth is onshore and how much is offshore. "I don't know of any companies or industries that have tried to measure this. Maybe they don't even want to know."

Phantom GDP helps explain why U.S. workers aren't benefiting more as their companies grow ever more efficient. The cost savings that companies are reaping "don't represent increased productivity of American workers producing goods and services in the U.S.," says Houseman. In contrast, compensation of senior executives is typically tied to profits, which have soared alongside offshoring.

IMPORTING EARNINGS
But where are those vigorous corporate profits coming from?
http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/07_25/b4039001.htm?chan=top+news_top+news+index_businessweek+exclusives
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 04:24 PM
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1. Stated simply the government has turned it's accounting over the ENRON inc.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 05:01 PM
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7. Figures lie, liars figure!!! nt
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 04:29 PM
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2. Assume that all information produced by this administration, whether by mouth or keyboard, is a lie.
Easy and accurate.
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 04:29 PM
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3. The 'puke agenda is but one big lie of which this is one of thousands or smaller lies comprising
the big overall holistic 'puke lie.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 04:39 PM
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4. I can't wait to see SonofaMitch LOSE in his next election!
Edited on Tue Jun-12-07 04:40 PM by Roland99
oops...replied to wrong post but oh well. ;)

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wakeme2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 04:54 PM
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5. This is a MAJOR PROBLEM for a Dem President and ADMIN
Once in power, and if they use REAL accounting, it will look like the Dems fucked up the economy. Think about it.

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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 05:02 PM
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8. Not if the first order of business is to EXPOSE the BS...
And it looks like this is already a head start on the process....
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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 05:11 PM
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9. and the wheel turns round and round
....seriously, this country is not going to get any better when our entire political system is built on corruption and lies. It is bound to collapse, and the Republicans are actively TRYING to make it collapse for some reason...and then blame the other party. The endgame to this will be devastating for generations to come.

I beginning to think that I should not be hitching myself to a dead horse (this country) and better think of an exit strategy.
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StudentsMustUniteNow Donating Member (859 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 04:55 PM
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6. I got this in my mailbox for some reason
Guess someone's been spying on me and found out that I'm against unrestricted globalization.

Pretty solid article, surprisingly.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 05:16 PM
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10. This means that Paul Krugman is the ONLY economist in the country
That doesn't have his head up his ass. Let them call him a wacko now.
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many a good man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 06:50 PM
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11. Who's Elaine Chao?
Secretary of Labor. I'd like to share an email I got a couple of years ago from a friend who had the unfortunate task of having to follow her around and videotape her.

Here's all I have on Labor Secretary Elaine....At a huge ACLU conference, she gave a speech all about how corrupt and awful unions are, and how the Bush admin would take care of that by enforcing new legislation that crippled them all financially by making all unions generate piles of paperwork for their members and the feds that reports all financial activities - for most unions, this meant a huge paper and printing budget, extra employees, and over hours for old ones, that will soon bankrupt some smaller unions, and impoverish larger ones. I am a member of two unions, and my husband belongs to one, and the amount of paper we have received in the last few months is rediculous, and an outrage. After her nasty speech, it was time for question and answer, and the lines at the microphones were deep with Presidents and PAC chairmen of many unions.As each came forward and challenged her with well thought out and important questions, she would motion to her assistant at the edge of the stage, who would produce a 2-3 inch thick three- ring binder with information about people's personal lives. I wish I could tell you that it was all about real corruption or professional matters, but this was more along the lines of "Aren't you currently invovled in a divorce proceeding in which your wife, Suzanne has accused you of carrying on an internet relationship with a high school friend?" or "Didn't you once miss a mortgage payment in 1984?" This type of thing, and she never once answered anyones questions.
On a more personal and maybe bitchy gossip note, when you get off the elevators on her floor, the hall way to her offices is lined with bigger than life eight foot long blown - up phoots of her with Bush, her with Cheney, her on Air Force One, etc. - it's like her own personal ego walk of fame. Then when you get to her office to shoot her little weekly MSNBC segment, she's convinced that she's a Hollywood star as she fusses with her makeup and barks at the cameraman about which angle to shoot her from and how to adjust her lighting....then she prattles on air about how great the minute increases in jobs created are, and tries to minimize the meaning of the huge unemployment numbers.
And then of course, 2 weeks after that ACLU conference, she's at the Firefighter's union conference giving a speech about how much the administration values their contribution and the membership that was lost in 9/11, and what a great strong union they are, as audience members are muttering to themselves about their decreasing salaries, layoffs, and the rising support of volunteer firefighters...and on and on - during the legislative season, I see her about once a week somewhere, and she never fails to make a bad impression whether it's the size of her entourage (you'd think P Diddy was coming!) the way she barks at her employees, or the ever changing 2 faces she wears.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 05:05 AM
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13. Yep. That's her. She also the one who tried to re-classify hamburger flipping
as a manufacturing job... She's a corrupt &^%$.
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wiggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 11:55 PM
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12. And who really thinks that inflation is only 2-3%? And why did they stop reporting
M-1? Like most things about this administration, their economy is a fake. Big problem for the rest of us.
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