Michael Moore On GMA: 3,500 Troops Could Be Alive If Media Had Done Its Job

[Hissyspit]

http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Moore_3500_troops_could_be_alive_0613.html

Michael Moore: 3500 troops could be alive if media had done its job

David Edwards and Muriel Kane
Published: Wednesday June 13, 2007

Michael Moore appeared on ABC's Good Morning America Wednesday, expressing a concern that the media will play the same role in the health care debate as it did in the Iraq War debate.

"Had ABC News, NBC News, CBS News been more aggressive in confronting the government with what they were telling us back in 2003 about Iraq, you might have prevented this war," Moore said. "3500 soldiers that are dead today may not have had to die had our news media done its job. ... The media didn't ask the questions. The media got embedded and went on board for a little thrill ride."

"It's not a thrill ride," objected host Chris Cuomo. "Those men and women put themselves in danger. ... To say the media is complicit in the death of soldiers --"

"This media is complicit," insisted Moore. "The media didn't ask the questions that should have been asked."

The segment then turned to Moore's latest film, Sicko. Moore argued that the US needs a single-payer health system like "every other Western industrialized country." However, he also said of the current presidential candidates that "these guys are bought and paid for by this industry, and that's why we're not going to have change."

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[katsy]

1. The US also needs MM to investigate the media!

:bounce:

Get busy Mr. Moore!

[EVDebs]

16. It's called Operation Mockingbird and goes hand in hand with other domestic ops

Operation CHAOS etc., all illegal but they do 'em anyway.

[liberaldemocrat7]

37. 3500 soldiers might not have died if Michael Moore had convinced Nader not to run.

As much as I like Michael Moore and Ralph Nader, if Ralph Nader did not run for president in 2000 and if Michael Moore did not support him, and if Katherine Harris and her gang did not suppress the African American vote, 3500 soldiers might remain alive today because this criminal administration would have not gotten installed by the complicit Supreme Court.

[EVDebs]

38. Or if the court allowed the votes to be counted. It's just that simple.

Gore won in '00, Kerry won in '04...and we know this now as we did in our guts then.

[Fridays Child]

2. Those men and women put themselves in danger? Is Cuomo blaming the soldiers for the war?

A new media low. :nuke:

[Pirate Smile]

5. I think he was referring to the reporters that were embedded with the military.

[hatrack]

6. And if he was, then, hey - they volunteered for it, right?

:eyes:

[Fridays Child]

17. Right. And volunteering to be embedded didn't make them more objective, either...

...which is the point Michael Moore was making. The media lost their objectivity, their willingness to stand back and view their subject critically. And the Pentagon knew damn good and well that embedding reporters would tend to make them even more puttylike in the hands of the administration.

[girl gone mad]

22. And they knew...

the media would be less likely to question the war, since they thought embeds would bring big ratings and career advancement.

[hippiechick]

3. Moore 1, Media 0

"... This media is complicit," insisted Moore. "The media didn't ask the questions that should have been asked ..."

SMACKDOWN! :applause:

[CrazyForKucinich]

4. And why doesn't Moore support Dennis Kucinich?

He's not bought. He's been right all along...but even in media situations like this he totally ignores the fact that Dennis Kucinich is alive and fighting for all of us.

Moore would help his cause and all americans if he joined forces with Dennis Kucinich. Someone should really ask Michael why he doesn't support Kucinich.

[blondeatlast]

10. So what? I've yet to support anyone either. Nice hijack, though. nt

[devilgrrl]

13. A hijacked indeed...

:crazy:

[GreenPartyVoter]

19. Not necessarily a hijack. Dennis would be the one candidate to support

what Mike is saying about health care and I wish he had acknowledged that.

[blondeatlast]

14. Here's a thought--why don't you ask him? nt

[Zodiak]

20. Talk about a non-sequitir!

I appreciate you are a Kucinich fan, but come on now....excoriating Moore for NOT being on your team in a thread that has nothing to do with Kucinich is playing a little out of bounds.

[CrazyForKucinich]

21. WRONG...MOORE HAS IT WRONG

From the article....

"However, he also said of the current presidential candidates that "these guys are bought and paid for by this industry, and that's why we're not going to have change."

More Michael Moore generalizations. He isn't telling the truth with that statement whatsoever. Dennis Kucinich IS a presidential candidate and he's not bought by the industry.

The reason we won't have change in this country is if people don't vote for Kucinich. Michael Moore is hurting the healthcare cause by making cookie-cutter statements and not acknowledging Dennis Kucinich's position and candidacy. There is a choice, the right choice...his name is Dennis Kucinich.

www.kucinich.us

[Zodiak]

26. ow...you're hurting my ear

You are correct in that he speaks in generalizations and is ostensibly not incuding Kucinich in his comments about the Presidential candidates. It is not that he is not speaking "truth whatsoever", just not speaking of the minutiae that is necessary to plug for Kucinich. So you will have to decide....is he speaking in generalizations that are at least mostly true (but not mentioning Kucinich by name)....or that every candidate is not bought and paid for (which would be "no truth whatsoever" as you put it).

I would elect for the former.

He didn't address Gravel or Paul, either. Neither of which would fit in that category, as well.

You might find it useful to not get too upset every time someone fails to mention Kucinich...it will cut down on your stress levels. Kucinich may very well get my vote in this primary (as he did in the last primary), but even as a supporter, I know that few will hear his message.

Less will hear his message if his supporters turn off a lot of people by yelling and stuff.

[CrazyForKucinich]

28. I disagree

No one will hear his message if no one speaks of him and just ignores him. Yelling may turn people off...particularly to me, and maybe even to Kucinich...but then they didn't even know who he was before. Kucinich and the truth will bring people around...yelling will do more good than harm...

and I wasn't even yelling...just trying to see if anyone else is pissed off that Michael Moore agrees with everything Kucinich says but for some reason, which I don't know, refuses to support him.

[Zodiak]

34. On the internet, all caps is yelling

standard protocol

[roody]

31. I just heard MM on The California Report

and he said "you know" 4 or 5 times in a couple of sentences. It was horrible. Can't wait to see the film.

[ClayZ]

7. The formula still works today! K and R

[babylonsister]

8. It's not a thrill ride? WTF? And kudos to Moore for bringing it up! Rec'd! nt

[bamacrat]

9. Michael Moore needs to make a movie about all the shortcommings of our government

and the media over the last six and a half years, it would be great might get some things done, or atleast enlighten some people who are in the dark as to what is going on. Kucinich is the only candidate who proposes the type of healthcare Moore talks about. I cant wait for his film to come out.

[blondeatlast]

11. MM knows the ins and outs of the media and can handle them well.

Nice work on GMA.

[OzarkDem]

12. Health Care: Another complex issue

it will be easy for the news media to fool the general public and distract from meaningful debate about health care reform.

Private insurance companies have already begun spreading money around to elected officials, non-profit organizations, think tanks, advocacy groups and probably the news media too. They'll confuse the hell out of everyone.

[EVDebs]

15. Bush's Journalist's dinner joke on missing WMDs got huge laughs from captive media

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBIeJ2d87NY

but the next day, the FOREIGN PRESS had to point out their shame


Bush's Iraq WMDs joke backfires
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3570845.stm

"The audience at Wednesday's 60th annual dinner of the Radio and Television Correspondents' Association obviously thought the quips hilarious - there were laughs all round - but the next morning, in the cold light of day, things looked far less amusing. "

Sickening performances, all the way around.

[MelissaB]

18. Isn't David Edwards a long time DU'er?

I think he was one of the first people to start the "daily thread" in ER.

:hi: If this is you...hi, David!

[Hissyspit]

23. Looked for video on YouTube. Didn't find any. n/t

[Hissyspit]

24. .

[depakid]

25. More than complicit

on this and just about every other issue that should concern ordinary Americans.

It's to the point where so called "journalists" in the corporate media have become public enemy #1.

[BuelahWitch]

27. Moore's right

The media has blood on its hands as much as the neo cons.

[Toots]

29. Incendiary language for sure

He was pretty much calling out all of them. Republicans , Democrats , Media , he's pissed. He wants change and is working very hard toward that goal. He has my support.

[La_Fourmi_Rouge]

30. M. Moore spoke at the State Capitol yesterday! (Sactown)

He was all over the news, and demonstrated with the California Nurses Association. He also hosted a screening of "SiCKO at the great art-deco Crest Theatre.

[roody]

32. Lots of coverage at

michaelmoore.com

http://www.michaelmoore.com/sicko/news/article.php?id=9895

[Gabi Hayes]

33. assmunchilada Dan msnbc guy showed a clip of Cuomo vs. Moore, and

gave him a HUGE thumbs up for going after Moore for his comments on the war.

the only part I saw was where Cuomo defended the media as they went in embedded

I don't know what he showed of the rest of the exchange, but little Dan was clearly very PLEASED to stick it to Moore

[Hissyspit]

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[roody]

36. k

[progressoid]

39. I wrote Cuomo an email about his pathetic attempt to redeem his profession.

It was laughable. I haven't seen GMA in years, then I see a half hour and am reminded of why I don't watch TV much anymore.