If Iran is invaded

[undergroundpanther]

Welcome to disaster people. Really.

Oh fuck fuck fuck.. Bush will toss a "pre emptive" nuke over there because of the Oil Bourse Same reason for Iraq invasion Saddam wanted to trade oil in Euros and drop the dollar..Halliburton /bush didn't Like that Saddam told the US oil tycoons to fuck off,..So they used the national guard like a tool sent some corporate mercenaries and invaded Iraq, they bomb, torture people , kill, if we invade Iran.. Korea will be pissed off and more ready to act, Russia will lose it,and other countries too ..and all hell will break loose ON US.People think the price of gas is bad now..just wait. FUCK!!
http://news.scotsman.com/latest_international.cfm?id=929972007
Bush is about to spring the trap those fucking neocon tyrant assholes have been plotting to spring on us since before Nixon ,When the trap slams on our neck it will be too late to wake up ..These fuckers in Washington on BOTH sides will have fucked us all over,bad.
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/18/gardiner-iran/
ttp://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=%20RO20070115&articleId=4456
http://www.gnn.tv/threads/15627/Iranian_Oil_Bourse_Opens_for_Business_A_Final_Step_Toward_U_S_Dollar_Collapse_Preemptive_Nuclear_Strike

Russian President Vladimir Putin offered his own response to Bush from the deck of the Russian battle cruiser Peter the Great in the Barents Sea. Putin's warning addressed the Cheney-Rumsfeld reliance on low-yield nuclear weapons as a key component of US strategy. "I think that lowering the threshold for the use of nuclear arms is a dangerous trend, because somebody may feel tempted to use nuclear weapons," Putin told journalists. "If that happens, the next step can be taken -- more powerful nuclear arms can be used, which may lead to a nuclear conflict. This extremely dangerous trend is in the back of the mind of some politicians and military officials," the president said. (Interfax, August 17) This can be read as a nuclear counterthreat in response to Bush's "all options are on the table."
http://www.falseflagnews.com/editorials/from_2005_tarpley_iran_invasion_false-flag_terror
http://erlenda3.blogspot.com/2006/12/war-on-iran-unleashing-armageddon-in.html
--> on the one hand there is the Iranian decision of opening the first oil bourse priced in Euros on March 20th, 2006 in Teheran, available to all oil producers of the region ;

--> on the other hand, there is the decision of the American Federal Reserve to stop publishing M3 figures (the most reliable indicator on the amount of dollars circulating in the world) from March 23, 2006 onward <1>.

These two decisions constitute altogether the indicators, the causes and the consequences of the historical transition in progress between the order created after World War II and the new international equilibrium in gestation since the collapse of the USSR. Their magnitude as much as their simultaneity will catalyse all the tensions, weaknesses and imbalances accumulated since more than a decade throughout the international system.
http://www.tiesweb.org/dialogues/incorrect/archives/biancheri56.php3

To date, one of the more difficult technical obstacles concerning a euro-based oil transaction trading system is the lack of a euro-denominated oil pricing standard, or oil ‘marker’ as it is referred to in the industry. The three current oil markers are U.S. dollar denominated, which include the West Texas Intermediate crude (WTI), Norway Brent crude, and the UAE Dubai crude. However, since the spring of 2003, Iran has required payments in the euro currency for its European and Asian/ACU exports - although the oil pricing for trades are still denominated in the dollar. <4>
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CLA410A.html

Another Iranian official said to be familiar with the “retaliation plan” claimed it would be launched within an hour of a US attack and would be accompanied by increased support for terrorist groups. “The US will be as surprised with Iranian military capabilities as the Israelis were with Hezbollah in last summer’s war in Lebanon,” he said.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/article1909896.ece

And getting OUT won't be easy
http://redtape.msnbc.com/2007/06/passport_proble.html#posts

[Nite Owl]

1. Kicking this

everyone needs to read this. With the dems succumbing to the administrations desires, we have to let them know we are on to them.

[Disturbed]

2. Bush/Cheney are the most dangerous tyrants in the world.

The Dems screwed up by not starting Impeachment on both after one month of the '06 Elections. It wouldn't have mattered if the Senate would not have had enough votes to convict. The truth of the Busholini Regime would have been revealed to the world. Is it too late now?

[Nite Owl]

3. The dems have screwed up

since forever now. It's one thing after another, one excuse after another and frankly I'm getting tired of it. We need to reclaim this party and make it a party of the people again. Their ways just aren't working, not for us. If they had started impeachment hearings like the Watergate hearings right away they may have gotten the votes by public outrage. The public was ready, they could have tried especially since most of their agenda isn't going to be passed because they don't have the votes to overcome a veto anyway. Oh the irony of that.

[snappyturtle]

17. Just what I think too! Why didn't the Dems go after */cheney?

Everytime I hear that we have more important matters to deal with or not enough votes I want to go outside and scream one of those primal type screams!!! And, I believe your point that an impeachment call would have revealed to the world the nefarious nature of the regime & consequently would have or could have been a lfesaver for the American people. How is the world to look at us when we don't take care of things at home and yet are aggressive to other nations?

[undergroundpanther]

4. If you can, try to get this on greatest before it sinks,

Thanks.

[Trajan]

5. I repeat ....

There will be no invasion of Iran .....

None ....

Nada ....

It would be a greater military disaster than Iraq ...

It would break the US Military, which is already stretched beyond it's capabilities ....

[frogcycle]

6. it would be nice to believe that

in any reasonable world your logic would make sense

and it probably does even in this - but...

[RC]

8. There will not be any invasions, but our idiots will use every high & low

tech weapon we have to try to destroy their oil, manufacturing, and power producing facilities and kill as many people as we can from the air.

If anyone has any thoughts of our wars staying in the middle east, that will be corrected when large parts of our cities start disappearing with loud booms.

[Lerkfish]

14. you're correct, and YET IT WILL HAPPEN regardless

[HCE SuiGeneris]

25. Why does General Clark not reflect your sentiments?

It seems he might be better informed than yourself... http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=07/03/02/1440234

[Rosa Luxemburg]

30. don't forget we have loonies in charge!

[Tom Rinaldo]

47. No one is suggesting an Invasion; they suggest bombs & cruise missiles

We still have bombs and cruise missiles to spare, we don't have troops. However the consequences will ultimately be the same for the United States and the world, but the right wing likes to deludes the public into thinking we can pull off "a surgical strike" against Iran's nuclear program, as if that some how wasn't an act of war against Iran that they would retaliate against us for. Once Iran does retaliate, then the right wing assumes they can swing enough public support to raise a bigger army to "defend ourselves". That is when we will start hearing talk of invasion.

[annabanana]

7. k&r. . . . . . . ... . . .n/t

[Captain Hilts]

9. We aren't going to invade Iran. For a multitude of reasons. nt

[KharmaTrain]

10. What Are We Going To Invade Iran With???

A military that's already exhausted? We're going to invade a country 4 times the size of Iraq? And we're supposed to conduct this invasion while maintaining two other occupations? Any general who signs off on that should be immediately court martialed.

We gonna drop a couple of bombs and pound our chests? And with zero international support? It's madness that only plays into this regime's grand design of creating instability in the region that keeps the price of oil high, sells billions in weaponry and has made them very, very rich.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

11. Draft.

Or, federalize the Boy Scouts.

You're right, we're already stretched a little thin. I think we can leave Iran alone, leave non-nuke enforcement to NATO or the UN, if they're interested.

We should use our military strength to cover our organized withdrawal from that area. Protect ourselves from the civil war as we make our exit.

[KharmaTrain]

15. A Little Thin???

Speak with someone whose returned from Iraq and if you said "little thin", you'd be laughed out of the room. It's beyond the pale on how poorly our troops have been provided for and taken care of during this invasion. It was Rummy's "doing the most with the least" and outsourcing all he could. Our military is exhausted and in drastic need of a shake-up on the top echelons. We're sapping our military strength with each day this occupation remains and makes us even more vulnerable on the home front...be it from another "terror attack" or a natural disaster.

We've told the UN and NATO to buzz off...why should they be willing to clean up our mess? The Arab League is one of the few agencies that could play an honest broker that could give us the political and military cover to get out safely. Otherwise, the only way out of Iraq is how we got in...shooting or being shot at. Sadly, the last chapter of this Iraq tragedy will not be pretty.

Shoes For Industry...

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

18. Well, ok, "starvin' like marvin'"

"A little thin" was just my usual understated style. I have a few young relatives who are there or have returned from multiple tours in that area. Army and Marines (not necessarily in that order). It's tough on them, tough on their spouses and kids. So far, no casualties in the family.

I don't expect the UN or NATO in Iraq or Afghanistan. But they could step in to help more in other hot spots like Sudan or Somalia. I think they're doing some humanitarian aid stuff, but not much beyond that.

Iran is a funny case. They are probably sending weapons and fighters into Iraq/Afghanistan like every other country in the area. And they are playing with atoms. But is that a reason to invade? Not in my book.

... shoes for the dead. :)

[Lerkfish]

13. you're correct: its madness. and it WILL happen.

[sellitman]

20. It will happen and then

the 08 election will be shelved.

Just watch.

[Lerkfish]

12. there is no "if", only "when".

and I'm not going to bother to argue with those who stick their heads in the sand and say it will never happen. It is ALREADY HAPPENING. We already have black ops conducting operations there, and we already have a full court mockingbird press drumming up the propaganda for it.

It IS going to happen.

[jpgray]

16. Extremely unlikely

Air strikes are probably as far as they'll go, and maybe not even that far--we don't have the soldiers for any sort of invasion right now.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

27. Oh, well if it's only airstrikes then...

we'll be fine :wtf:

[jpgray]

32. The OP was about an invasion of Iran.

Where did I say air strikes would be fine? :shrug:

[Tom Joad]

19. John Bolton sure wanted something to happen there.... listen to what he told aipac

http://www.stopaipac.org/boltontape.htm

[CGowen]

31. his wet dream didn't come true.....for now .n/t

[paparush]

21. THIS is why we are spending Brazillions to build the "Missile Defense Shield"

So our govt can use *ahem* low yield nukes (what a fucking oxymoron) and diminish the threat of large scale retaliation (global nuclear exchange or Holocaust).

Bush is playing dice with the fate of the entire world...then entire human race.

Congress MUST act to stop him. If they do not have the will, then the American people must be ready to suffer in order to stop this insane regime.

[thereismore]

22. If Iran is invaded. We. Are. Fucked. Amen. nt

[Lerkfish]

23. and. amen. we. will. be.

[Dragonbreathp9d]

24. If Iran is invaded, I'm marching on washington

period

[Lerkfish]

28. by then it will be way too late. Then what?

If we invade Iran, blackwater and halliburton will put anyone who marches into internment camps. Then what?

Its too late to march after the horses have left the barn.

[CrispyQ]

33. My brother-in-law is slowly waking up to what is going on.

The other day he called & asked if we had heard of internment camps that are built & who the hell were they planning to put in them? He is just starting to become fearful of what our nation has become.

[Tom Rinaldo]

49. Exactly. Bush may finally succeed in motivating terorists to attack us

...if the U.S. attack another Middle Eastern nation that did not directly threaten us. And then we literally will be between Iraq and a Hard Place. For a very long time.

I assume everyone has already given support to StopIranWar.com

[guruoo]

26. Send in Blackwater - all of them - by parachute n/t

[Rosa Luxemburg]

29. that's a good idea!

[hunter]

35. Send in the Bush Administration - all of them - by parachute.

O8)

[guruoo]

48. To provide leedership, of course. n/t

[rustydad]

34. No invasion (hope, hope, hope)

We can not and will not invade Iran. What is far more likely is an air attack to destroy atomic facilities and command and military control nods. The Iranians can and will attack US naval forces in the region with swarms of anti ship missiles, high speed patrol boats, and small submarines. The Iranians have the Russian Sunburst supersonic cruise missile and the Chinese Silkworm. These missiles although never tried can very likely get through anti missile protection used by the US ships. We could loose many if not all our warships.

The Iranians could and would mine the straights of Hormuz which is only a few mies wide and trough which a great amount of world oil supply must travel. They could also sink tankers with torpedoes and/or missiles.

They could and would target short and medium range ballistic missiles at the Green Zone, US Bases all over the region, and at Israel. Although they use conventional warheads never the less they would cause great local destruction.

That's round one. Round two could be a retaliation by Israel and the US using atomic weapons on Iranian cities and military installations. Millions would die. Fallout would cover much of Pakistan, India and even China.

Of course the Shia around the world would go ballistic. In Iraq they would cut off all supplies to US bases from Kuwait. They may even seek to overthrow the leadership on SA. Musharif in Pakistan would be overthrown and militant Shias would control the nuclear arsenal there. Israel would be their likely first target.

Stage three would depend on Russia and China. Should they intervene then WW3 is here, nuclear winter and the end of life as we know it.

No rational, sane person would contemplate such a game plan yet the neocons are insane with hatred for Arabs, Muslims, and all non jews. And they control the stupidest and most insane president the US has ever seen. These are dark days. Bob

[lebkuchen]

36. In short, the US will have no better luck against Iran than the rag-tag "army" of Iraq

and Afghanistan. Sounds like a fast-track to the US' demise, however.

Why can't the Bushies find a more productive line of work outside of oile? I suggest blanketing the US with tapa bars. It will sell like "hotcakes."

[undergroundpanther]

39. Remember something about babies ,bathtubs and drowning?

And the Government..and "starve the beast"? They are bloodletting the"beast".For a reason.
Full spectrum Control and domination.Of the world.
Bush and his kind wants to control the world.If billions die fine, if the united states government goes poof and people suffer whatever,You saw how bush let the Katrina victims die, So if the economy goes to shit who cares? Bush and his G8 buddies are globalist mercenary merchants they are International thieves,and they hold NO loyalty to any government ,nation or state, they PRETEND to care up to a point ,to get power over people dupe them into doing the job they want done for them. They want as much of this world's and human minds as they can grab and if they get people killed, start a war or set off a nuke it does not matter one bit to them because its all a big game, they want full spectrum control and domination of the world and to make an omelet you gotta break a few eggs, preferable everyone else's eggs..


The economic system is deeply flawed and has served to concentrate money, land and power in the hands of a few. The concentration of economic power and ecological devastation have heralded the collapse of many civilizations and empires. At this time in history, humanity must choose between the health and well-being of our planet, humanity, and other lifeforms, or the further enrichment of the ruling elite.

The choice is clear. The World Bank, International Monetary Fund, World Trade Organization, World Economic Forum, and "Trade Agreements," such as the Multilateral Agreement on Investments (MAI) blatantly favor the rich over all environmental and human rights concerns (see http://www.tradewatch.org/). Civil society is now engaged in a tremendous struggle against these deadly institutions which value money over life
http://www.communitycurrency.org/index.html

http://www.unique-design.net/library/hegemony.html

[Amonester]

37. I suspect the rapture-ready crowd must be thrilled.

No way I'm going there. Han-han.



http://www.stopiranwar.com/

[undergroundpanther]

41. A rapture will be faked

Hungry, scared poor ,dumbed down, uneducated, ignorant true believers make the most loyal serfs in a crusade.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/dotmil/arkin020199.htm
http://www.coherentproject.org/index.php?task=news&nw_task=show_news&nw_newsid=113
http://www.stereoscopy.com/news/3drss.xml

[Lars39]

43. I could see them doing that.

The shortsighted don't see this happening *now*, forgetting that this bunch of criminals are patient...they might be content to wait a generation or so.

[undergroundpanther]

46. Once people cannot get food easily or shop

once the power is cut or they cannot get money out of the bank alot of people will lose it and they might be more manipulatable and desperate enough to believe.After all if people are "raptured" into internment camps who would know most people think US internment camps are tin foil.
My neighbor got dissapeared a while ago it was quite a scene and I have no clue what happened to him.
http://www.unknownnews.org/05D31-J06d-1231Panther.html

[Disturbed]

38. Maybe the US Admin is trying to bankrupt Iran.

By continuous threats of a possible air attack Iran is spending $Billions on their Military and weapons.
Iran's economy is in trouble now as it is.

[BlooInBloo]

40. Um, invaded with *what* army exactly?

[Pacifist Patriot]

42. The one that is already over there stationed in its neighbor.

Arguments like this assume the Bush administration makes strategic decisions rationally. They do not.

[undergroundpanther]

45. You got that right

BushCo gets a general to trot his ass out onto TV and lie his ass off trying to make this PNAC shit appear to make sense to the average clueless,over stressed, overworked joe.
But truth is Bush is a psychopath and psychopaths want what they want regardless of who gets hurt.And nothing is off the table for a psychopath with no sense of right or wrong beyond thinking himself is always right.

[undergroundpanther]

44. If bush creates another"trifecta"

Like say...A Nuke going off in DC..And a big propaganda campaign...Alot of people really believed Iraq had WMD's.
Even though it was a baldfaced lie.Just get people convinced and enemy is gonna get them and they will obey.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/25/AR2006122500637.html
http://www.countercurrents.org/martin070607.htm
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/09/AR2007050902719.html