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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 02:52 PM
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Gonzales bypasses Senate, appoints interim U.S. attorney.
IMPEACH his ass! :grr: :grr:

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/14/gonzales-bypasses-senate-appoints-interim-us-attorney/

Gonzales bypasses Senate, appoints interim U.S. attorney.

This morning, Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-VT) “revealed that Attorney General Alberto Gonzales once again used an interim appointment authority at the heart of the US Attorneys controversy that Congress banned in a bill sent to the President for signature on June 4.” In a statement to Raw Story, Leahy’s spokeswoman explained what happened:

“It just so happens the committee got notice yesterday, that on June 16, George Cardona’s 210 days as Acting U.S. Attorney in the Central District of California will have run out and the Attorney General will appoint him as an interim U.S. Attorney at that time. (i.e. still using the end-run authority because Bush has slow-walked signing the bill).”

Cardona replaced former U.S. attorney Debra Wong Yang, who at one point had been named for firing by Harriet Miers before resigning to join a corporate law firm.
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speedoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 02:54 PM
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1. Yeah, impeachment is becoming more necessary every day.
Off the table, my ass.
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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 02:57 PM
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2. doesn't bush have a set number of days to sign or veto and then it becomes law?
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PA Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 03:04 PM
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5. Yes, if he doesn't sign or veto within 10 days, it automatically becomes law
unless Congress adjourns before the 10 days is up, then it's a "pocket veto."

Explanation here:

A pocket veto is a legislative maneuver in American federal lawmaking, is a process of indirect rejection . The U.S. Constitution requires the President to sign or veto any legislation placed on his desk within ten days (not including Sundays) while Congress is in session. If he does not, then it becomes law by default.

The one exception to this rule is if Congress adjourns before the ten days are up and the President has not yet signed the bill. In such a case, the bill does not become law; it is effectively, if not actually, vetoed. If the President does sign the bill, then it does become law. Ignoring legislation, or "putting a bill in one's pocket" until Congress adjourns is thus called a pocket veto. Since Congress cannot vote while in adjournment, a pocket veto cannot be overridden.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pocket_veto
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 03:08 PM
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6. This is veto proof due to the vote. It becomes law, signed or not.
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PA Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 03:12 PM
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8. Oh, you're right. Weren't there only one or two NO votes on this bill?
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 04:03 PM
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18. Yes--my Senator was one of the two "no" votes... (slinks away in shame)
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PA Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 04:22 PM
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19. Don't feel bad. I used to have Rick "Man on Dog" Santorum.
What an embarrassment he was!
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 04:36 PM
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20. LOL! I'm originally from PA--I had "Man-On-Dog" as my Senator too!
Can't escape the embarrassment, I guess!
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 05:41 PM
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29. Remind me to never move to your state. Please keep us up to date
as to your where abouts. Please...I beg you...never move to VT!
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 05:45 PM
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30. Did I mention I also used to live in South Carolina, during Strom Thurmond's final Senate years?
I'm comin' for ya next, Vermont!
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 07:27 PM
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31. OMG ! A fate worse than death! Please, pretty please...don't do that
to Leahy and Sanders and the good people of Vermont who have the smarts to want to succeed from this crappy nation.
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Rosemary2205 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 03:12 PM
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7. That bill didn't go to Bush MORE than 10 days ago??
Someone set me straight here as I've been off my feed for a few weeks, but I'm thinking that bill was sent to Bush several MONTHS ago. It should be law by now and actually I thought it was.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 03:14 PM
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9. Another thread says it was sent on June 4th, making this the 10th consecutive
day but no the 10th business day.

I'm unclear over which timeline applies here. Anyone?
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 03:41 PM
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14. The bill was sent on the 4th but no action has been taken by the dim one:


http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Gonzales_uses_Attorney_appointment_power_that_0614.html

snip//

On June 4, the Congress sent S. 214, the Preserving United States Attorney Independence Act of 2007, to President George W. Bush. The bill overturned a measure stealthily passed by the Republican-led Congress in 2006 that allowed the Attorney General to indefinitely appoint US Attorneys on an interim basis. Critics said the provision was intended to do an end-run around the standard Senate confirmation process for US Attorneys.

The bill passed the Senate by a 94-2 margin on March 20, and also cleared the House of Representatives by a 306-114 vote on May 22. The President has yet to sign or veto the bill.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 05:17 PM
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25. It was signed today I believe. And I think Leahy is mistaken in calling this an end around
Under the revised law, Cardona could be named for a 120 day term and it appears that is what happened.

I'm not comfortable defending gonzo, but I don't want us to look foolish by not understanding the law as it now stands.
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TroglodyteScholar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 05:21 PM
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26. The way I read it, only Sundays are excepted...
...so that would make tomorrow (Friday) the last day of the 10-day period.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 03:01 PM
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3. I hope that Leahy calls this hapless attorney in to question
him as Congress would question an appointee. This attorney is foolish to take the job. He will face controversy and suspicion from day one.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 03:36 PM
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13. Pocket veto explained at Wikipedia
From the U.S. Constitution Article 1, Section 7: "...If any Bill shall not be returned by the President within ten Days (Sundays excepted) after it shall have been presented to him, the Same shall be a Law, in like Manner as if he had signed it, unless the Congress by their Adjournment prevent its Return, in which Case it shall not be a Law. "

Courts have never fully clarified when an adjournment by Congress would "prevent" the President from returning a vetoed bill. Some Presidents have interpreted the Constitution to restrict the pocket veto to the adjournment sine die of Congress at the end of the second session of the two-year Congressional term, while others interpreted it to allow intersession and intrasession pocket vetoes. In 1929, the United States Supreme Court ruled in the Pocket Veto Case that a bill had to be returned to the chamber while it is in session and capable of work. A three-day recess of the Senate was considered a short enough time that the Senate could still act with "reasonable promptitude" on the veto. However, a five-month adjournment would be a long enough period to enable a pocket veto. Within those constraints, there still exists some ambiguity; Presidents have been reluctant to pursue disputed pocket vetoes to the Supreme Court for fear of an adverse ruling that would serve as a precedent in future cases<1>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pocket_veto

So the bill is not yet law
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pat_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 03:03 PM
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4. . . .and Leahy refuses to call for the impeachment of the puppet masters why??
Edited on Thu Jun-14-07 03:03 PM by pat_k
How many times do Bush and Cheney have to openly and blatantly do that which we explicit forbid in our Constitution and U.S. Code before he calls on the House to impeach?

Bush and Cheney are committing crimes that are so grave violatiors are subject to the penalty of death. Namely, war crimes under U.S. Code (Title 18 section 2441) and international law and the Anti-Terrorism Act (Title 18, Section 844 paragraph e. Bomb Threat -- "mushroom clouds in 45 min").

Leahy and his colleagues sound like blithering idiots when they describe the grave crimes committed by the outlaws in the WH, and then turn around and declare their refusal to take the ONLY rational step and impeach.

Blithering friggin' idiots.

It is any wonder that http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-pelosi12jun12,0,7184922.story?coll=la-home-center">approval of Congress is now the lowest in a decade?
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ORDagnabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 03:20 PM
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11. one party ruled by corporations.. ..... duh.....
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 03:16 PM
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10. so why is Gonzales doing this?
Edited on Thu Jun-14-07 03:16 PM by bambino
he must know that he's an untouchable?
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catmandu57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 03:35 PM
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12. It's a great big fuck you isn't it?
Kind of like a bring it on statement, well the guantlet has been cast so I say it's time to bring it on.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 03:51 PM
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16. Exactly right. He KNOWS he's not going anywhere. Congress sure as hell isn't doing anything
about him. He'll remain in office as long as the psycho wants him there.
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 04:39 PM
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21. 'cause the Dimson gave him permission
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 05:22 PM
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27. Because it pleasures the pResident, of course.
D'uh. :dunce:
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 05:26 PM
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28. because its actually consistent with the revised law
Edited on Thu Jun-14-07 05:43 PM by onenote
I hate defending him, but someone got this screwed up it seems to me. Appointing Cardona to a 120 day term is completely consistent with the new law, which chimpy signed today

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/06/20070614-6.html

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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 03:48 PM
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15. He'll never be impeached. He's above the law with the psycho-in-chief's blessing.
:grr:
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deminks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 03:56 PM
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17. Attorney General of the United States has no regard for the law.
He knows that Congress has changed this law, it is just that Smirky hasn't signed it yet.

As I live and breathe, I never expected this blatant disregard.

I strongly suspect, people, that this gang will not be leaving in 09. I have always suspected.
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eomer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 05:03 PM
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22. Not sure what to make of this.
If I am reading this summary on Thomas correctly then the bill eliminating the interim appointment thing was signed into law today:

S.214
Title: A bill to amend chapter 35 of title 28, United States Code, to preserve the independence of United States attorneys.
Sponsor: Sen Feinstein, Dianne (introduced 1/9/2007) Cosponsors (16)
Related Bills: H.R.580
Latest Major Action: 6/14/2007 Signed by President.

MAJOR ACTIONS:

1/9/2007 Introduced in Senate
2/12/2007 Committee on the Judiciary. Reported by Senator Leahy with an amendment. Without written report.
3/20/2007 Passed/agreed to in Senate: Passed Senate with an amendment by Yea-Nay Vote. 94 - 2. Record Vote Number: 81.
5/22/2007 Passed/agreed to in House: On motion to suspend the rules and pass the bill Agreed to by the Yeas and Nays: (2/3 required): 306 - 114 (Roll no. 397).
6/14/2007 Signed by President.


If the bill became law today then the AG can't make an interim appointment a couple of days from now as rumored in the OP story.

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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 05:09 PM
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23. Gosh, I never saw that coming.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-14-07 05:15 PM
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24. Something here doesn't make sense -- not sure Leahy has this right

First, Cardona wasn't appointed under the now-discredited and repealed interim us attorney provision that was added as part of the Patriot Act reauthorization.

Rather Cardona was the first assistant and, pursuant to the Vacancy Reform Act of 1998, was elevated to the position of "acting us attorney" -- not the same thing as an "interim us atty".

Under the Vacancy Reform Act, Cardona could serve for 210 days, which apparently ends on June 16.


Its not completely clear what gonzo is doing. One possibility is that he is appointing Cardona as interim to fill the vacancy that will exist when his 210 day term as acting us ag expires. The revised law, which chimpy signed today, states that if someone was an interim us attorney on the day before the date of enactment (which was yesterday) can serve for another 120 days. However, that provision doesn't apply to Cardona because he was not an "interim us attorney", he was an acting us attorney appointed pursuant to a separate provision. In that case, he falls under the restored provision that became law today -- he can be appointed, but for only 120 days.

As best I can tell, in this case, gonzo's actions were consistent with the law as revised.
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 01:40 PM
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32. Criminal Outrage
:grr:
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