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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 08:03 AM
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Victor Davis Hanson is an idiot.
If yu want to be amused, any of his scribblings are worth a quick read. If you try to look inside for a deeper meaning, you find yourself grasping at straws. This master of the nonsequitor is truly talented at using so many words to say so little.

case in point, his latest waste of ink on immigration.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chi-oped0615hansonjun15,0,3572510.story?coll=chi-newsopinioncommentary-hed
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Gidney N Cloyd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 08:43 AM
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1. The Trib's best columnists are all stuck back in the Metro section. And Viktor Von Doom isn't the >
only one there who relies on nonsequitors to snake their way from premise through the facts to the conclusion. Their editorial board's endorsement of Bush in 2004 remains the gold standard of illogic (basically, 'yes Bush is a crook and an incompetant and a lazy drug addled twit but can we really trust Kerry?').
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 08:52 AM
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3. Monday's Are Disaster Day
Dennis Byrne and the idiot Krauthammer on the same day? Come on!
The Professor
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 08:51 AM
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2. V.D. Hanson Is Absolute Proof, That . . .
. . .the standards for being a fellow at the Hoover Institution are FAR TOO LOW! That guy is dumber than dirt.
The Professor
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:03 AM
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4. HANSON was CHEENEE's "guru" for the Iraq Attack & coined "Mexifornia"
Edited on Fri Jun-15-07 09:13 AM by UTUSN
As such he's been sitting (taking a crap?) atop the top two issues of the past few years. Regarding immigration (in his "Mexifornia" columns and book), he advocates the "assimilation" model that was the norm in the Southwest in the 1950s: No speaking Spanish on the schoolgrounds, little Latinos need to act like little Anglos (Brownness is make-up?). In Texas, elementary school Hispanics were told that Davy CROCKETT at the Alamo was their role model. This coincided with Fess PARKER's Davy Crockett t.v. series, so this meant some Latino kids wearing coonskin caps.

HANSON's theory is that Dems want to pad the future voting roles with newly minted Latino voters (he knows, I'm sure, that they have to be U.S. Citizens to vote). On Iraq, his theory is that perpetual war is necessary to reinvigorate a nation, keep the juices flowing. (Dry cough.) Some of his kids and relatives are married to Mexican(-Americans) so he is vehement about not being a racist.

Thanks for saying he's an idiot. Here's an old re-post.


A week or two before the illegal Iraq attack, CHEENEE paraded HANSON in front of the press corps as his "guru" with a high profile lunch. The reporting at the time described his role for the Mal-administration PNACers as being providing examples from history on use of military force in itself and preemption in order to keep "vitality" for the nation, avoid stagnation, and spread its own model abroad.

Here's HANSON giving marching orders for the Iraq attack:

********QUOTE*******



Full HANSON archive: http://www.nationalreview.com/hanson/hanson-archive.asp

Nat'l Cathedral: (History or Hysteria?)


http://www.nationalreview.com/hanson/hanson032803.asp

.... In disgust at the hysteria, I took a drive to Washington to the National Cathedral on Sunday. Big mistake. All except one of the entrances were closed due to security concerns. I walked in under the wonderful sculptures of Frederick Hart, an authentic American genius who almost single-handedly restored classical realism to American sculpture. A small statue of a kneeling Lincoln, who sent thousands into battle to eradicate slavery, was in the corner. A plaque of quotations from Churchill, about the need for sacrifice in war, was on the wall. So I was feeling somewhat good again — until I heard the pious sermon on “shock and awe.” In pompous tones the minister was deprecating the war effort, calling down calumnies upon the administration, and alleging the immoral nature of our nation at war.

Such a strange man at such a strange time, I thought. His entire congregation, by its own admission, is in danger from foreign terrorists (why else bar the gates?). His church is itself a monument to the utility of force for moral purposes. His own existence as a free-speaking, freely worshiping man of God is possible only thanks to the United States military — whose present mission he was openly deriding at the country’s national shrine. ....

*************UNQUOTE********


And here's an example of how NIETZSCHE was distorted by the Nazis, with HANSON-the-thinker giving his views on Mexican immigration, "Mexifornia", (not "racist" despite whether we agree or disagree), as his words are taken over by unintellectual, unthinking wingnut racists for their own purposes:

**********QUOTE********

Mexifornia


http://www.city-journal.org/html/12_2_do_we_want.html

Thousands arrive illegally from Mexico into California each year—and the state is now home to fully 40 percent of America’s immigrants, legal and illegal. They come in such numbers because a tacit alliance of Right and Left has created an open-borders policy, aimed at keeping wage labor cheap and social problems ever fresh, so that the ministrations of Chicano studies professors, La Raza activists, and all the other self-appointed defenders of group causes will never be unneeded. ....

And while the Democrats think the illegals will eventually turn into liberal voters, the actual Hispanic vote so far remains just a small fraction of the eligible Mexican-American pool: of the 14,173 residents of the central California town of Hanford who identified themselves as Latino (34 percent of the town’s population), for example, only 770 are registered to vote.

My sleepy hometown of Selma, California, is in the dead center of all this. ....It is a schizophrenic existence, living at illegal immigration’s intersection. Each week I pick up trash, dirty diapers, even sofas and old beds dumped in our orchard by illegal aliens—only to call a Mexican-American sheriff who empathizes when I show him the evidence of Spanish names and addresses on bills and letters scattered among the trash. ....

Yet I also walk through vineyards at 7 AM in the fog and see whole families from Mexico, hard at work in the cold—while the native-born unemployed of all races will not—and cannot—prune a single vine. By natural selection, we are getting some of the most intelligent and industrious people in the world, people who have the courage to cross the border, the tenacity to stay—and, if not assimilated, the potential to cost the state far, far more than they can contribute. ....

Our elites do not understand just how rare consensual government is in the history of civilization, and therefore they wrongly think that they can instill confidence by praising the other, less successful, cultures that aliens are escaping from rather than explaining the dynamism and morality of the civilization that they have voted for with their feet. ....

*****UNQUOTE****



NIEZSCHE is one of a group who are often portrayed as strange, impenetrable, and on some weird and original tangent all their own, when the secret that binds ALL of these seeming mavericks ---NIETZSCHE, STRAUSS, PAGLIA, and Victor Davis HANSON (CHEENEE's guru)--- is the CLASSICS Department, the pre-Christian values they are INDIVIDUALLY steeped in ---and wanted to live by TODAY.

It's not that NIETZSCHE "influenced" the ones after him, it's that EACH of these WENT BACK individually to the Ancients. They want to live by the "strong" pre-Christian values of STRENGH, physical force/domination, PRIDE ("gloating") as opposed to the "weak" values of humility, mercy, turning the other cheek.

And it's NOT that NIEZCHE was a proto-Nazi. Richard WAGNER *was* one and NIETZSCHE broke with him. After he went into his mental helplessness his unintellectual sister took control of his body and dressed him as a prophet, literally, with people visiting to pay obeissance, which would have REPELLED him, and herself courted the proto-Nazis according to her own small understanding of him, or just for her self-interest.

CHEENEE did a little dance right before the Iraq attack, presenting Victor Davis HANSON to the media as his guru. This dude has been laying out the PNAC working plans for public consumption, the two-pronged thing of active war (preemptive/proactive) plus "noble goals" (forcing "democracy" on others). His role has been to dig up historical examples as precedents for what the PNAC-ers want to do anyway.

Here's a whimsical, but prescient, capturing of what goes on with the Classics types:

******QUOTE*****

A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum


Music: Stephen Sondheim Lyrics: Stephen Sondheim Book: Larry Gelbart + Burt Shevelove Film: 1966

"Bring Me My Bride" (I, Miles Gloriosus)
http://libretto.musicals.ru/text.php?textid=5&language=1

....Let haste be made,
I cannot be delayed!
There are lands to conquer,
Cities to loot
And people to degrade!

SOLDIERS
Look at those arms!
Look at that chest!
Look at them!

MILES
Not to mention the rest!
Even I am impressed. ....

SOLDIERS
Look at that foot!
Look at that heel!
Mark the magnificent muscles of steel!

MILES
I am my ideal! ....

MILES
COURTESANS
I, Miles Gloriosus,
I, Paragon of virtues,
Him, Miles Gloriosus
Him, Paragon of virtues,

SOLDIERS
A man among men!
With sword and with pen!

MILES
I, in war the most admired,
In wit the most inspired,
In love the most desired,
In dress the best displayed,
I am a parade! ....

*****UNQUOTE****
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Zavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:14 AM
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5. Elsewhere, the sky is blue. (NT)
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:23 AM
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6. Too bad he moved into politics.
His classes (he was one of my professors) in Greek Literature were wonderful, as are his books and articles. For whatever reason, he's moved into ultra-conservative neo-con politics and it's like he's a completely different person from what I remember.

I disagree that he's stupid. He's actually a very brilliant man, right up to the point where you THINK you know where he's going with his conclusion, then he takes a sharp right turn. He didn't used to be like this.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:46 AM
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7. "reason he's moved into...neo-con" : He wants to BE an ancient Greek!!1 n/t
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