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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 11:34 AM
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Thompson: Late-Term Abortion Is ‘Infanticide,’ Roe v. Wade Worst Decision In Supreme Court History
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/15/thompson-choice/

Thompson: Late-Term Abortion Is ‘Infanticide,’ Roe v. Wade Worst Decision In Supreme Court History

In statements made this week, former Sen. Fred Thompson (R-TN) has staked out several radical positions on abortion rights and reproductive health issues, positions that are far more conservative than even those of President Bush.

In an interview with the Hoover Institution, Thompson argued that Roe v. Wade is the most harmful decision in the history of the Supreme Court and should be overturned. Thompson called the decision “bad law” and “bad medicine,” and appeared to agree with Robert Bork, the notorious far-right judge whose Supreme Court nomination was rejected, that Roe v. Wade contains “not a single sentence of legal reasoning.”

Also, Thompson gave a video address yesterday at the National Right to Life conference, in which he equated late-term abortions with infanticide:

In 1994, I made my first run for the U.S. Senate. I was proud to receive the National Right to Life endorsement. I’ve been with you ever since. You’ve been with me ever since. On abortion related votes I’ve been 100 percent. We’ve had a lot of different kind of issues come up in the Senate from federal funding to stem cell research, Roe versus Wade and the partial birth abortion debate or as former Senator Pat Moynihan of New York used to say it’s more like infanticide than partial birth abortion.

Watch Thompson’s comments on Roe v. Wade (10:12) at link~

Thompson’s views are extreme and outside of the mainstream. According to a recent Gallup poll, just 35 percent of the American public agree that the Supreme Court should overturn Roe v. Wade, which relied on a long line of precedent that established a fundamental right to privacy that includes personal decisions about whether to bear a child.

Late-term abortions, pilloried by the right as “partial birth abortion,” are performed rarely and in most cases to preserve the health of the mother. Women and their doctors should be the ones to decide the best procedure. Thompson’s comments imply that these women are deliberately killing infants and should be criminalized.

Digg It!

Transcript:

Q: Since you got your law degree in 1967, which decision of the Supreme Court has done the greatest disservice to the nation?

THOMPSON: Oh, I suppose, that overall, I’d have to say Roe v. Wade.

Q: Two comments on Roe v. Wade occurred to me immediately. Judge Bork has written — I think I can quote him exactly — that Roe v. Wade contains “not a single sentence of legal reasoning.” Bad decision from the first word to the last.

THOMPSON: Right.

Q: Rudy Giuliani recently said, that he’d appoint justices, and it would be alright with him if they upheld Roe, and it would be alright with him if they overturned Roe. What’s your view on this?

THOMPSON: No. I think Roe was fabricated out of whole cloth. I think it represents a bigger problem with the federal judiciary, and that is that too many people get up and decide one day that they want to change social policy in this country that has been there for a couple hundred years. In this case, it was not only bad law, it was bad medicine. I mean, we know a lot of things now about all that that we didn’t even know them. And it was another example of thwarting the notion of federalism, which is an integral part of our constitution — taking things away from the states to decide, by the people, on a local basis, and having a few men in black robes make those decisions. So it’s not only the substance of the decision, but the symbolic effect that it had.

Q: So your position on abortion would be overturn Roe, and put it back to the states. Let the states decide.

THOMPSON: Yeah.

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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 11:35 AM
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1. Bless his little bitty tiny loser heart.
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wildhorses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 11:36 AM
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2. !
:puke:
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 11:38 AM
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3. I just watched his pathetic video Re: Moore's Sicko..
and concluded that the guy is a first-class dick.

He's going to fool a ton of Republics with his "Liberal Hollywood" skillz.
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A HERETIC I AM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 01:04 PM
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19. He's gonna fool only a ton?
You underestimate the opposition. He'll fool most of them, is my bet. He isn't even officially in yet and he is polling 2nd.

Style over substance. That is what seems to garner votes. Why else would Shrub have even been close in 2000?
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 11:41 AM
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4. Worse than Dred Scott?
Worse than Bush v. Gore? Well, Freddy probably LOVES that one, although it's probably one of the most poorly-reasoned, disingenuous lumps of offal that court has ever produced.

Worse than Buckley v. Valeo? The case holding that money = speech, making meaningful campaign finance reform nearly impossible? The Pubbies love that one, even though it's pretty much a disaster.

Oh, but nothing is worse than Roe v. Wade; god forbid women should have a constitutional right to control their own reproductive systems.

Bite me, Fred.
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LostInAnomie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 11:54 AM
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9. Ahem... I case you didn't notice, Dred Scott didn't kill any white, Christian, babies.
That's all that matters to Republicans.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 12:51 PM
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16. In fairness he wasn't practicing law when Dred Scot was handed down
and the question did limit him to decisions handed down since he graduated law school.
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 12:59 PM
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18. True -- though he looks like he could have been.
But Buckley v. Valeo and Bush v. Gore are within that time frame, and they sucked way worse than Roe.
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 11:41 AM
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5. So is Freddy in favor of mandatory organ donation?
I mean, while we're taking control of people's bodies to save lives...
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 11:41 AM
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6. He doesn't have a clue how rare it is and why people have them. Idjit. nt
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 11:42 AM
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7. For a nation as wealthy as US to have so many not getting medical care
is negligent homicide.
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Drum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 11:50 AM
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8. Wow, what refreshing consistency...
He's a dick on TV, AND in real life. :eyes:
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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 11:56 AM
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10. So, what does he think we know now that we didn't know then that makes this "bad medicine"?
Is he referring to the repeatedly debunked link to breat cancer?
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 12:00 PM
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12. I wondered about that "bad medicine" too. What is he referring to--
fetal viability? Complications? Is he a doctor?
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 11:58 AM
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11. "Roe was fabricated out of whole cloth"...
The judiciary just one day decided to change social policy that had been in place for two hundred years. Yeah, that's exactly what happened, Fred. The women's movement, the changing times, the back-alley abortion tradition, none of that had anything to do with anything. Just a bunch of judges and lawyers looking to stir up the shit. What an absolute ass.
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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 12:34 PM
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13. you make good points and I often wonder how one of the initial reasons Margaret Sanger
started advocating birth control has been totally lost. I mean, HELLO!!!, women dying in childbirth after having lots of kids to start with. Where are men in this equation? Do they really want to go back to the days when there was higher chance (still is today, but slightly less likely) that a woman might die in childbirth and leave her husband to care for the surviving children?
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 12:38 PM
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14. I'm willing to bet that there are PLENTY of men whose butts were saved
by safe and legal abortion, or who can't fathom forcing the women they know to bear unwanted children. I don't think men and women are too far apart on this issue, as it affects both profoundly.
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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 12:40 PM
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15. I agree. I just think men are probably more likely to think a reversal of Roe v. Wade is likely.
But, then again, most studies show that most people think women should have a choice.
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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:05 PM
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22. duh- I meant men probably think reversal is "less likely"! n/t
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Poiuyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 12:53 PM
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17. How Fred Thompson felt about abortion a few years ago:
Question: Please summarize your personal philosophy on the issue of reproductive choice

Thompson: The Supreme Court has attempted to delineate the constitutionally appropriate roles for individual and governmental decision-making on the issue of abortion. Beyond that, I believe that the federal government should not interfere with individual convictions and actions in this area

I would make an exception to this general rule of governmental non-interference in a very limited number of cases where government has a compelling interest in promoting the public welfare. For instance, I believe that states should be allowed to impose various restrictions if they so choose.

http://www.cbn.com/CBNnews/176554.aspx

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"In fact, on July 29, 1993, the Memphis Commercial Appeal reported that Thompson, then running for a Tennessee U.S. Senate seat, said during an interview that he "supports the Supreme Court's Roe vs. Wade decision that established a constitutional right to abortion." In an October 21, 1994, article, The Washington Post similarly reported that "both" Thompson and his Democratic opponent in the 1994 Senate race, then-Rep. Jim Cooper, "believe in legal abortion."

http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/electioncentral/2007/jun/06/fred_thompson_badly_dissembled_about_his_abortion_record
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 01:09 PM
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20. Yep--he's a flippin' and a floppin' like a salmon on the dock.
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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 09:07 PM
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23. On NPR this afternoon, they talked about the R. candidates at a pro-life convention
in Kansas. They've practically all flip-flopped on this issue just like the ones who came before them - Bush, Reagan. One convention attendee basically said they were all full of crap and that the Republicans have been stringing the pro-life folks along for 25 years now.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-15-07 01:11 PM
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21. My mom has told me all about the bad old days before Roe
We really don't want to go back there.
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-16-07 09:40 AM
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24. Allowing babies to die unnecessarily is infanticide
Recent infant mortality statistics (babies dying in their first year, per thousand live births):

(1) Singapore: 2.28

(2) Sweden: 2.77
.....


(26) UK 5.22
.....

(36) USA: 6.63


So more than twice as many American babies die in their first year as in Singapore or Sweden. When did the Republicans announce their plans to do something about that?

Then of course, there are the horribly high infant mortality rates in many developing countries, due to unjust global economic policies that are supported by Republicans and other right-wingers; and sometimes due to wars which Republicans aggravated.

.....

(145) Iraq: 52.71

Infant mortality rates in Iraq have risen since the start of Bush's war; Thompson doesn't seem that bothered about that.


When deaths in the first four weeks of life are considered separately, the international disparities become even clearer. Here's a summary of a Save the Children report.

http://edition.cnn.com/2006/HEALTH/parenting/05/08/mothers.index/index.html


'Pro-life' - even if this is restricted to 'pro-infant-life' - NOT a true Republican/ right-wing value.



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