Lieberman remarks outrage constituents

[NNN0LHI]

http://www.connpost.com/ci_6143684?source=most_viewed

U.S. Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman's call to attack Iran has been anticipated by the international law and human rights academic communities for a long time. These scholars conclude that the neoconservatives believe that any attack on Iran will compel it to retaliate with sufficient force to justify a U.S.-Israeli response with nuclear weapons on the pretext of protecting U.S. troops, leading to a subsequent U.S. occupation of Iran and a wider Western-Muslim war. All of these acts would, in effect, precipitate World War III — a clash of cultures.

Lieberman does not respect international law, or moral justice. If so, he would acknowledge that the invasion and occupation of Iraq is illegal, as have objective jurists around the globe. He would not support further violations of U.S. treaties, at least 11 of which, including the United Nations Charter, have been broken by the U.S. invasion and occupation of Iraq alone.

Iran pressed for a second round of U.S.-Iran talks after recent ones concluded in Baghdad. Despite Lieberman's threats, Iran should continue to seek such talks. It should continue to demand that Lieberman and the neocons prove allegations of Iranian attacks on U.S. forces in Iraq, as should Congress and the American people. Lieberman and his neocon friends lied us into Iraq. They cannot be permitted to lie us into WWIII.

Harold Burbank
Former U.N. Delegate
Veterans for Peace USA, NGO
Canton

[Madspirit]

1. k&r

How do I hate Lieberpig...let me count the ways... Jeez I hate him.
Lee

[Ken Burch]

2. Thank you once again Harry Reid for saving this scumbag's ass.

Thanks for the brilliant decision to stab YOUR OWN PARTY'S NOMINEE in the back for no good reason.

Heckuva job, Reidsy.

[rpannier]

67. That genius idea belongs to Schumer

He was the architect of the idea of not offending joementum.

[Ken Burch]

69. Fine, thank you Schumer as well.

Still, who GAVE Schumer the job as well.

And nobody better say that it was only Schumer that gave us the Senate. We were gaining all over the country anyway.

[BlooInBloo]

3. The ~150,000 Democrats and ~150,000 republicans shoulda thought about that BEFORE...

... the shitforbrainsjackasssfuckers voted for him.

Worthless piece of shit electorate.

[sharp_stick]

52. The republicans in CT got what the wanted

the "democrats" that voted for him were typical of this country and probably poorly informed because of their own lazyness.

[kenny blankenship]

4. It would be nice if Connecticut showed how upset they were with him

by, I dunno, maybe PROTESTING in his offices and making his public life hell.

That way we could see that Connecticut regrets the serious, harmful error they made in returning this asshole to the Senate when replacing him with Ned Lamont would have been so easy to do.

[BlooInBloo]

8. Fuck them. I hope Louisiana gets the chance to fuck CT over someday.

[Selatius]

15. They voted for Joe Lieberman. They got what they asked for.

There is no recall provision in CT either.

[sellitman]

16. The CT Republicans put LIEberman back in office.

As a Democrat who worked his butt off for Ned you need to know who voted for him. 95% of his support came from Repukes & mixed up Independents who drank the kool aid.

[BlooInBloo]

26. Only slightly fewer Democrats voted for joe than republicans.

[sellitman]

33% isn't "slightly fewer"

Lieberman received support from 33% of Democrats, 54% of Independents, and 70% of Republicans. Clearly if the 70% of Repukes voted for their candidate Lieberman would be where he should be....retired.

[Usrename]

47. Sure it is,

It was the Connecticut Democrats that re-elected Lieberman. Lamont would have won easily without all the defections from within the party.

Almost as many Dems voted for him as Repubs.

In other words, only "slightly fewer" Dems voted for him than Republicans. I'm not sure he actually won a fair election in the first place.

[Seabiscuit]

50. Bizarre dispute...

Just reading this for the first time, I get the impression you're both relying on completely different statistics.

Yet it's hard to imagine that 2 people could come up with such enormously different statistics from a state election where the figures are easily available.

I could be wrong. You may call 33% "almost as many" as 70%, which would be palpably absurd, or you may be actually counting vote totals (which may perhaps be fairly close in size, assuming there are a lot more Democrats than Republicans in CT. Which is it? Do you have the actual vote totals and percentages readily available?

[BlooInBloo]

57. That was so obvious it didn't need to be said. Approximate totals are downthread.

[Seabiscuit]

63. It wasn't obvious to anyone but you, or there would have been no dispute.

I never got to the bottom of the thread because I thought your countering a post about a large discrepancy in percentages with a claim about a "slight difference" in "votes" (without clarifying the point with actual numbers) was more than a little disingenuous to begin with. Apples and oranges.

[BlooInBloo]

65. Nope.

[Seabiscuit]

68. Yup.

Yup. Yup. And Yup again.

[sellitman]

64. That is wrong

33% of Dems voted for him but...

70% of Repukes did.

Your facts are off friend.

[BlooInBloo]

5. And FUCK the Connecticut Post - they fucking endorsed Lieberman.

http://lieberdem.blogspot.com/2006/07/lieberman-wins-endorsements-from.html

Take responsibility you fucking sacks of shit.

[UTUSN]

6. K&R to give this thread JOEMENTUM!!1 n/t

[Tarheel_Dem]

7. k&r...........n/t

[Cha]

9. lieman conned the majority

of the voters in Connecticut into thinking he wasn't a lying, raving warmongering neofascist. They believed his swarmy smiling, flabby face, much to the detriment of the United States of America.

Maybe in 2012 ya can kick his fascist ass outta there?

RECOMMENDED.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

10. I think they should make it even worse for him.

Lieberman has stepped well over the line. After the 2008 elections, with a bigger Senate majority in hand, they should strip Joe of all his committee assignments, relegate him to the worst senate office space available and that will be that. If he changes party, big whoop.

Let his last years in the senate be a time of reflection. Reflection on the phrase "Oh, how the mighty do fall!".

[Liberal Veteran]

18. Bwah-ha-ha! I'd love to see a scene from Office Space involving Lieberman.

Joe, we're gonna need to go ahead and move you downstairs into storage B. We have some new people coming in, and we need all the space we can get. So if you could just go ahead and pack up your stuff and move it down there, that would be terrific, OK?

[ooglymoogly]

54. But, but, but....would he be able to take his stapler.

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[Arugula Latte]

11. When it comes to Joe Lieberman threads, I can't say a fraction of my thoughts.

It would get me banned.

I hate him with a white hot loathing.

[Nightjock]

41. Ditto

Hate is a strong word and I do not like to use it. But I HATE him. He has alot of blood on his hands.

[The Backlash Cometh]

12. I say if we bomb Iran, we suit Lieberman up, put a helmet on his head,

stick him in a tank and tell him he can show our boys the way.

[Raksha]

37. Now THAT I'd like to see!

And people thought Dukakis looked stupid in a tank...

[Rex]

13. Lieman has shown his cards - he works for the PNAC crowd now.

All those years of voting Dem, pissed away for what? What Joe? What did you get out of this deal that was worth ruining your reputation?

I hope it was worth it you pussbag.

[stevedeshazer]

14. Sorry, folks, but Al Gore is to blame

Little Joe would be toiling in obscurity in the Senate had Al Gore, the hero of so many here, not picked a pro-war neocon as his running mate.

Come on now.

[FreeStateDemocrat]

23. BS, Al Gore did not endorse, campaign for or support Lieman in anyway in 2006.

[NobleCynic]

35. I think he means the VP position in 2000 n/t

[kenfrequed]

61. Blame the DLC and Gores advisors

Gore's advsiors convinced him that he needed a conservative, family values, 'third way' democrat to batten down the ticket to the center and improve his electability.

Bad friggin advice that was too.

[malaise]

17. Recall the scumbag n/t

[11 Bravo]

19. Lieberman's constituents outrage me.

Fuck 'em. They had a chance to elect a real Democrat and opted not to.

[krispos42]

20. Holy Joe and some free association...

Trebuchet. Motorcoach.





Hmmm... interesting...

[Jacobin]

21. And Hillary and Bill helped him get re-selected

[NNN0LHI]

25. Are you sure about that?

As I remember they stayed out of the primaries but as soon as Ned Lemont won the primary Senator Clinton donated $5000 from her PAC to Lemont almost immediately and offered to help him raise more money.

Do you remember something different than I do?

Don

[never_get_over_it]

32. Bill Clinton

DID campaign for him:

http://www.journalinquirer.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=16945479&BRD=985&PAG=461&dept_id=161556&rfi=6

and after the primary it seemed to me very few Dems did much to support Lamont - only one I have clear recollection of was John Edwards

These folks stick together - even Barbara Boxer supported Joe in the primary - and I have to tell you it is the only time I ever remember disagreeing with her....

[NCarolinawoman]

34. Wes Clark campaigned for Lamont.

He even made a commercial called "Lieberman (big mistake)" It was played during the NY Giants football game right before the election.

I recall that John Kerry campaigned for Lamont. I even think Chris Dodd did. I read that Holy Joe was angry at Dodd for this and wouldn't speak to Dodd for a while.

[Totally Committed]

44. I remember that commercial. I thought it was very gutsy of Wes, actually.

But, the Clintons were definitely there for Joe -- Bill up front, Hillary behind the scenes.

Chris Dodd was also for Lamont. Since he's DLC, that took courage, because the DLC was pushing Joe.

I don't know what, of anything, can be done to show dis-appreciation for the scumbag... I know there's no recall mechanism in place in CT... but, whatever it is, I hope the Democrats of CT do it, and do it soon. Lieberman LIED to get re-elected, and is not representing the people of CT as they would want, I'm sure.

TC

[never_get_over_it]

45. Glad to hear

for Clark, Kerry and Dodd - I seem to remember Dodd tried to talk LIEberman out of running as an independent once he lost the primary - seem to remember something about Dodd going to LIEberman's hotel room the night of the primary and Holy Joe wouldn't let him in - but you know I could be remembering this wrong...I just know I got the distinct feeling that the Dem politcians didn't seem to be working as hard as I felt they should have for Lamont during the general election campaign...

[NewJeffCT]

62. Kerry campaigned for Lamont early on

when it really mattered. Unfortunately, after being something of a media novelty and getting a lot of positive coverage before the primary win, Lamont got little positive coverage in August & September while Lieberman built up an insurmountable lead with a lot of friendly media treatment.

And, to be honest, Lamont did not take advantage of his primary win by hitting the ground running. His campaign went fairly quiet for a good month after winning the primary - supposedly, some prominent Dems told him to lay low so they could talk Lieberman out of the race, which obviously never happened.

Dodd did campaign for Lamont, and even filmed a commercial for him, but I don't think most Dems really stuck their necks out for Lamont.

[MADem]

48. FWIW, I remember it the same way that you do. nt

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[JerseygirlCT]

27. No, CT doesn't really like him that much. The GOP didn't run

any sort of serious candidate. The GOP turned out well, and voted overwhelmingly for Lieberman (their kind of guy, after all).

And let's face it, Lamont was not the strongest candidate. (Yes, I know that will upset people, but it's a fact. He didn't present himself as serious enough to a large enough segment of people, who were open to moving away from Lieberman, but unconvinced. Believe me, I know -- I tried hard to convince them!)

Dems still voted for Lamont. But there are also a very large number of independents, and they also went for Lieberman.

And post-election? Lots of buyer's remorse, but it's too late now. And those of us who didn't vote for him just have to sit by and hope for many more senate Dems in '08. Then he becomes as inconsequential as he rightfully should be.

[BlooInBloo]

28. Only slightly fewer Dems voted for lieberman than republicans.

[JerseygirlCT]

29. Statistics on that? They'd be interesting

There WERE certainly a number of old-time Lieberman supporters who've known him from way back and have close personal ties. I don't understand it, but they remained loyal.

But we're saddled with Lieberman for two reasons:

Lamont was not strong enough or convincing enough.

Schlessinger was a complete joke, and the GOP felt quite comfie with Lieberman.

[BlooInBloo]

31. ~150,000 dems voted for lieberman, ~200,000 republicans voted for lieberman...

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2006/pages/results/states/CT/S/01/index.html

[madrchsod]

24. here`s what holy joe should do

[karlrschneider]

30. He is the mirror image of a Nazi.

:puke:

[larleft88]

33. LIEBERMAN SUCKS

PEOPLE OF CONN. MUST BE PROUD

[grizmaster]

36. Traitor Joe strikes again

When will the Dems finally scrape the last remnants of this war criminal POS off of their shoes and stand up for things like the Geneva Convention, the Nuremburg principle, the War Crimes Act, and basic human decency?

Dems ain't to blame directly, but we look damn complicit because we tolerate this criminal to keep the Senate majority.

[xchrom]

38. this is the fault of conneticut voters and no one else. n/t

[bigscott]

39. yeah - especially

those of us that campaigned tirelessly for Ned Lamont - how about cutting at least SOME of us a fucking break huh?

[JerseygirlCT]

40. Getting old, isn't it? nt

[xchrom]

42. if you want to whine and take offense --

while working and voting for ned lamont -- that's up to you -- but SOMEBODY in conneticut went to the motherfucking polls and voted for lieberman.

musta been the toothfairy, huh?

[Norquist Nemesis]

51. I don't blame the voters as much as I do the "process"

Lieberman scammed the system by announcing his "independent" run. CT needs to fix that so it never happens again.

Unfortunately, the rest of us have to live with him for the remainder of his term. The best we can hope for at this point is a larger majority in the Senate so the Democratic Caucus can tell him to kiss our collective asses!

[Amonester]

53. Heck, there were some of 'em even here...

Hope they'd want a recall (if recall procedures existed).

Nobody's perfect, I guess, but it's too late now.

[bigscott]

55. actually most of us fairies

voted for Lamont

and I am not whining - just trying to help YOU understand that there are some of us in CT that do not support Lieberman. Remember when people had a problem with the GOP painting with such a broad brush?

[xchrom]

59. ok -- there's an offensive term --

ok -- a third -- actually a little more of dems in CONNETICUT voted for liberman -- and a whole bunch of republicans in CONNETICUT voted for lieberman.

like i said SOMEBODY in CONNETICUT voted for lieberman.

he's not back in the senate by accident.

it's not like lieberman and what he stood for wasn't some big fuckin secret by that time.


i live in cali -- and have to put up with the fact that lots and lots of dems voted for ahnuld -- including gay folk.

it's stupid -- but there it is.

[BlooInBloo]

58. Ya gotta love the 110% no-accountability mantra of the Connecticut electorate...

... It's Lieberman's fault! It's the system's fault! It's EVERYBODY BODY'S FAULT **EXCEPT** THE CONNECTICUT ELECTORATE'S.

What a contemptible electorate.

[southern_belle]

43. k & r n/t

[Take_The_Red_Pill]

46. Joe Liberman has been promised Secretary of Defense in a Jeb Bush Admin '08

Or else he's just nuts.

[GeorgeGist]

49. schmuck

schmuck

"contemptible person," 1892, from E.Yiddish shmok, lit. "penis," from Old Pol. smok "grass snake, dragon." Not the same word as Ger. schmuck "jewelry, adornments," which is related to Low Ger. smuck "supple, tidy, trim, elegant," and related to O.N. smjuga "slip, step through" (see smock). In Jewish homes, the word was "regarded as so vulgar as to be taboo" and Lenny Bruce wrote that saying it on stage got him arrested on the West Coast "by a Yiddish undercover agent who had been placed in the club several nights running to determine if my use of Yiddish terms was a cover for profanity." Euphemized as schmoe, which was the source of Al Capp's cartoon strip creature the schmoo.

http://dictionary.reference.com/help/etymon.html

[populistdriven]

60. So are we all set to start WW3 after the last June Shamal?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shamal_(wind)

The first major shamal occurring around May 25 is known as the Al-Haffar, or driller, since it drills huge depressions in desert sand dunes. The second, arriving in early June, coincides with the dawn star, Thorayya (Pleiades), and is therefore named Barih Thorayya. During this event, which is more violent than the others, fishermen usually remain in port because ancient folklore tells them that this wind devours ships. Near the end of June, the last shamal arrives, known as the Al-Dabaran. It is violent and continues for several days. Local residents keep doors and windows firmly shut as this shamal includes an all-penetrating fine dust which gets into everything.<4>

<4> DataDubai. Climate: March 16, 2006. Retrieved on 2006-12-09.
http://www.datadubai.com/technical-info/facts/climate/

[rpannier]

66. CT should have thought about that before they sent the ASSCLOWN back to DC

Congrats...You reap what ye sew.