Biden: "Voters Are Going To Be Mad With Us Until We End The War"

[Hissyspit]

http://www.americablog.com/2007/06/voters-are-going-to-be-mad-with-us.html

"Voters are going to be mad with us until we end the war."
by Joe Sudbay (DC) · 6/18/2007 08:58:00 AM ET

Joe Biden can be maddening. But, he does come up with some great lines. And, his statement to Reuters is right on target: "Voters are going to be mad with us until we end the war."

The Senate Democrats have promised there will be a series of votes on Iraq between now and the Fourth of July recess. They need to start delivering on Capitol Hill. The GOPers who let Bush start this war and enabled him along the way are holding up any progress. The Dems. need to roll them:

The new Democratic-led Congress is drawing the ire of voters upset with its failure to quickly deliver on a promise to end the Iraq war.

This is reflected in polls that show Congress -- plagued by partisan bickering mostly about the war -- at one of its lowest approval ratings in a decade. Surveys find only about one in four Americans approves of it.

"I understand their disappointment," said Senate Democratic leader Harry Reid of Nevada. "We raised the bar too high."

In winning control of Congress from President George W. Bush's Republicans last November, Democrats told voters they would move swiftly to withdraw U.S. troops from Iraq.

But they now say voters must understand they need help from Republicans to clear procedural hurdles, override presidential vetoes and force Bush to change course.

Democratic Sen. Joseph Biden of Delaware said he explained this recently to anti-war demonstrators. "'We know. We know,'" he quoted them as replying. "But we are so disappointed.'"

Biden, seeking the 2008 Democratic presidential nomination, said: "Voters are going to be mad with us until we end the war."

[Fridays Child]

1. You raised the bar too high? I call that lying to voters, Harry.

We're not rank and file Republicans who will swallow anything. End the war or we'll elect someone who will.

[SoFlaJet]

2. and don't expect

any help whatsoever from the party of "party before country"-you know republicans..they love it that the dem base is pissed (at least the ones that fail to understand we don't HAVE enough votes TO end the war)

[leftofthedial]

3. naughty, petulant voters!

who do they think they are getting mad over our gravy train?

[Warpy]

4. They gave themselves an important tool last month

when they insisted on listing benchmarks for improvement in the funding bill. It doesn't matter that they were toothless. They were present in writing and Stupid signed off on them.

While Rove will try to spin some of those benchmarks, the sad reality is that they won't be met, can't be met.

Using that as a justification, the Congress will be in a much better position to insist on a withdrawal schedule.

If, however, this strategy is not pursued and they roll over and play dead in September, Biden is correct. Democrats can kiss 2008 goodbye. They will have been proven to be gutless and/or liars.

Everybody but the fundies will stay home on election day, and we know what that means.

[jumpoffdaplanet]

5. They should have just not sent anything...

if they couldn't get want deadlines or real benchmarks

Vetos and filibusters wouldn't have mattered.

Biden is an idiot who thinks the rest of us are the same.

Reid is a moron.

[aquart]

6. Joe, honey? BOTH wars.

I like this touching belief that Afghanistan is the good and just war, while Iraq is the evil and unjust war. They were both COLOSSALLY bad ideas having to do with nothing but an attempt to secure Caspian Basin oil by coming at it from both sides (and only a set of pea-brained idiots whose mothers drank martinis all thru pregnancy would come up with it). We aren't going to get the Caspian Basin oil. Once we completely exhaust ourselves killing as many Iraqis and Afghans (Is that the way to refer to them?) as possible, the nations who have not engaged in suicidal warfare will simply walk in and take it all from us, say, China? Russia? India? Europe? And THEY will be hailed as heroes.

We've been utter, delusional fools. We need to go home and tend to our gardens because global warming is here and things are going to get much nastier than any war ever was. We don't have time or money to waste. Or millions of US will die, along with millions of THEM.

Is that really so difficult to understand? Really?

[Larkspur]

7. Dem leaders can start with firing the consultants who told them that voting for the Iraq War would

make them look strong on defense and thwart the Repuke talking point that Dems are weak on national security.

After following these consultants advice on caving into Bush over the supplemental spending bill, any sane person would fire the consultants who advised them to to that.

[shanti]

8. biden, ya think????

:eyes:

[KoKo]

9. Biden seems to view any travesty as just one more detail in his life in the Senate.

sigh.... I think he's been there so long...not much is of immediacy unless it's a Credit Card Company that needs some help. :-( No wonder, he's the most invited Dem to appear on Russert's show through the years...according to Media Matters.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

10. "Disappointed'? Kinda like saying the folks who stormed the Bastille were "grouchy".

[SoCalDem]

11. Mad "with" us?? No mad AT you !!

Funny isn't it?? people get a bit miffed when their loved ones die for nothing..:eyes:

[TahitiNut]

12. #1: It's NOT a "war"; it's an occupation!! #2: Four years of killing, bleeding, and dying is ENOUGH

... for a LIE! It's appalling that they keep peddling new 'reasons' to do the WRONG thing. Each and EVERY day is prolonging a War Crime!

When you're told to STOP, "not yet" is NOT an acceptable answer, Joe.

[Peace Patriot]

13. Bush, 28% Congress, 23%. Do the math. nt

[wiggs]

14. Yes and no. The nation overall is facing an unprecedented number of

critical issues, of which Iraq counts as the major one certainly but only one of many. The last six years are remarkable for the nearly complete lack of real progress on any of them.

Look for some sort of joint fake solution in September, wherein the WH and congress both contribute to an effort to deceive the public over how correct they've been wrt to Iraq and how things are finally moving in the right direction. Might even involve Iran.

[pat_k]

16. Failure to impeach. . .

. . . has created a national crisis graver than any natural disaster or social ill. It is bigger than any international crisis. By tolerating the intolerable, they are surrendering our capacity to recover from disaster with humanity, solve our common problems in ways that reflect our common values, and serve as a force for good in the world. When the good will of the American people is cut out of the loop, no peoples, not our fellow Americans, not other nations, can look to us for help.

Like squatters, Bush and Cheney are laying claim to unconstitutional power through openly hostile possession. Members of Congress, who we empowered and charged with the duty of evicting (impeaching) such trespassers, are refusing to act.

Surrendering your property to squatters without a fight is insanity, but that insanity doesn't compare to the magnitude of the insanity of surrendering a nation without a fight. But that is precisely what Members of Congress are doing when they say that the immediate impeachment of Bush and Cheney can't, won't, or shouldn't happen.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/pat_k/23">Impeachophobia

[pat_k]

15. No. They'll be outraged until you STOP BUSH (and only impeachment can do it)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=2884515&mesg_id=2884860"> It's not "all about" stopping the war; it's "all about" Stopping Bush. . .