RW are STUPID...had one today tell me that the nations biggest disasters have all happpened under D'

[greenbriar]

then procedeed to list

Pearl Harbor
WACO
OKLA
93 Trade Center bombings


tried to tell me that 2001 was Clinton's fault.



SO I COUNTERED

Two space shuttles
9/11
Iraq War
Abu Graib



he just walked away saying he would find more.

I said thats cool, I will be ready

[ComerPerro]

1. Waco and Oklahoma City, by the way, were committed by RW extremists

[Virginia Dare]

4. So was 9/11...n/t

[ComerPerro]

13. Well, true, but Waco and OKC were white, RW American males

of course, according to many so was 9/11 (inside job), but the funny thing is even the official conspiracy theory (Muslim extremists terrorists hijacking planes with boxcutters, really loony and far out stuff) states that it was, essentially, right-wing religious extremist conservatives. So yes, lol.

[liberal N proud]

23. Fundamentalist white males

And you could argue that WACO was religions fundamentalism out of control and Oklahoma City was retaliation for WACO

[ComerPerro]

24. Its the whole "Black Helicopters are coming for me" crowd of RWers who now, oddly enough,

have no problem handing over absolute and unquestioned power to the large and ever-expanding Federal Government. And here I thought they were against all that, LOL

[Virginia Dare]

2. The American Civil War...

:rofl:

You're right, they're STOOOPID, with a capital S.

[Warpy]

5. Don't forget the Great Depression

a disaster of colossal proportions brought to you by the party with the economic vision of its current incarnation.

[Virginia Dare]

8. Great point, and we were very ably guided through it by..

a Democrat.

[Renew Deal]

3. Tell him that the only 2 presidents to lose a war were republicans

Nixon and Bush 2

[Deep13]

14. Nixon and Bush 2.

There was no war during Reagan's tenure.

Actually, Bush 2 is the third. We (USA) lost the War of 1812 too. We staved off disaster by defending the country from British invasion. Still, we started the war when Britian refused to accept our terms and ended up settling for terms less generous than what the British offered to avoid war in the first place.

[Renew Deal]

16. And the Lebanon marine base bombings

That was a brain fart, but reminded me of something else.

[Deep13]

18. True.

When Rs run into a military disaster, people assume it was despite best efforts. When Ds have a military disaster like Somalia, people assume it is because of weakness.

[tabasco]

50. Bush I sent us into Somalia.

Left a steaming pile for his buddy Clinton.

[EstimatedProphet]

40. Grenada

May have been short, but it should count. Especially since it was an invasion for no real reason.

[greenbriar]

58. forgot all about that one

thanks

[anakie]

44. not to mention Korea

who was pres then??? Think he may have had a (R) after his name too.

[Deep13]

55. Harry Truman

The UN mandate in Korea was to drive the communists north of the 38th parallel. After numerous blunders, that mission was accomplished.

[BlooInBloo]

6. Nobody counts the Katrina response. Sigh.

[greenbriar]

9. waiting till tomorrow

don't worry, I will put that in

[Cassandra]

22. What Katrina response?

Waiting....waiting....still waiting.....

[BlooInBloo]

29. Tooshay.

[never_get_over_it]

35. I thought about Katrina too

and not only the response but these right wing freaks are always screaming the Dems will take my guns - hmmm who actually did take guns away from people - oh yes that would have been in the aftermath of Katrina....

[Richard Steele]

48. We'll start counting it when it happens. nm

[slampoet]

51. Mostly White people don't count Katrina.

[Deep13]

7. Some asshole administrator at American Legion...

...told me the Ds are the war party and that all of the 20th century wars had Ds in office. This was in 2000 before 9/11 or Iraq.

I wrote back and told him that the USA's 20th century wars were the result of aggression against us or our friends and not any American president. I said I always understood that WW2 was mostly the result of Hitler, not FDR. In other words, I pointed out what a grotesquesly anti-American claim that was.

[EstimatedProphet]

10. Jeez, what about KATRINA?

[Larkspur]

11. Don't forget the Repukes have the most corrupt Presidents in history

Grant, McKinley, Harding, Nixon, Bush I and II to name a few. And don't forget the Great Depression started under Herbert Hoover.

[greenbriar]

12. oh I know...will counter all this tomorrow

when he comes back empty handed.

I wanted to savor the victory and not hand him his ass today

I wanted to engage again ;)

[Red Zelda]

17. I just blame everything on Reagan

...that makes their heads explode.

[ornotna]

54. Both Stock Market crashes

1929 and 1987. Both under R's.

[underpants]

15. Okay let's compare 1993 to 9/11

Now we have heard over and over and over that "we were only in office for 8 months" or the support group tested "233 days"

The Clinton administration was in office for how long when the first WTC bombing happened???






















5 weeks. It happened on 5/26/93Clinton was inaugurated on 1/20/93 but you have NEVER heard even a suggestion of blaming Bush 1 now have you? You never even hear this point being made by the media now do you?

WACO was initiated, the planning, under Bush 1. The final siege was approved by AG Reno but I never had a problem with it. The final analysis is that that Jesus freak Koresh took his own people down it wasn't the feds.

Hold it I missed something- How many people have even been charged in connection to 9/11??? If you said none that is correct. Moussaui was IN JAIL on 9/11. 6 people have faced justice in connection to the first WTC bombing.

[AX10]

21. I second this post!

:hi:

[never_get_over_it]

38. I think you mean 2/26/93 not 5/26/93

Clinton had been in office 27 days....

[EstimatedProphet]

41. 1/20/93 to 5/26/93 is more than 5 weeks, just saying

[sarge43]

19. You should have mention Katrina, Watergate and Iran-Contra n/t

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

20. The Civil War happened because a Republican was elected

I'm not dissing Honest Abe (the last honest Republican?), but that's historical fact.

And what about the Great Depression? Seems to me that started in the "chicken in every pot" term of Herbert Hoover (R).

[opihimoimoi]

26. As an Aside....Honest Abe was a cock fight judge...dats how he got the nickname...

Of course he gave it up long before becoming the President...

[Norquist Nemesis]

25. I once had one tell me that all these laws restricting society only happen

when the Democrats/Liberals are in charge. It started out with the seatbelt laws that Illinois passed in 1984 (under Republican rule) and moved outward to federal. Somehow, "you've got to be kidding! The Governor we now have is the first Democrat in 25 years. BTW, How do you explain the Terri Schiavo mess? ummm...gay rights?" He looked me in the eye and said, "Well, I just know it's true!"

[Ganja Ninja]

27. Don't forget the anthrax attacks and Katrina.

Little Georgie has had more disasters than all the Democrats through out history combined. He's a walking calamity.

[catmandu57]

28. Eisenhower handed Vietnam to Kennedy

When he helped the french at Dien Bien Phu that marked the start of American involvement in VietNam. As I recall poppy planned and implemented our involvement in Somalia, reptiles start these messes then run.

edit: I forgot the Bay of Pigs as well.

[JustFiveMoreMinutes]

30. Waco, a disaster?

A tragedy yeah, but 82 people could have just walked OUT, right... so how is it a 'disaster'?

[Beer Snob-50]

31. you could also counter with that clinton caught the okla bomber

more than asshat did!

also, let face it, two space shuttles and pearl harbor were not the fault of any president. was there any warnings for okla city or world trade center bombings? i don't recall. but bozo has his prints all over iraq and abu graib.

[liberaldemocrat7]

43. The 2 space shuttle disasters happened under Republican presidents

and the NASA administrators get appointed by Republican Presidents. In both shuttle disaster incidents engineers warned of disasters which got unheeded by NASA administrators.

The first disaster happened because the NASA administrator wanted the launch to occur before Reagan's state of the Union address so Reagan could tout the flight containing the first teacher.

Well he did get to mention the flight that killed the first teacher in space because the NASA administrator ignored the faulty O rings that engineers warned the administrator about.

Second under Bush the NASA administrator who eventually resigned and went back to Louisiana of all places, coincidence, happened over the objections of engineers once again and the reentry proved disastrous and the remains flew over Texas until they crashed to earth. Yes they flew over Bush's home state.

Both shuttle disasters could have gotten prevented but somehow Republicans hate science and engineers warning them.

[Blue_Tires]

32. more ammo

Enron 2001

Teapot Dome 1922

Crédit Mobilier, which stole $20+ million (and that's in 1867 dollars)

[Forkboy]

33. They're thicker than whale omelets.

[WinkyDink]

34. Waco was a "disaster"? Then what were the 241 sitting-duck dead Marines in Lebanon, under Ronnie?

Or the dead in VietNam, 1968-1974?

Or was this pathetic Limbaugh parrot meaning only on "U.S. soil" (Pearl Harbor notwithstanding)?

Okay:
KATRINA

The argument that 9/11 was Clinton's fault can be most easily rebutted, aside from the obvious calendar date: Then why didn't Bush ACT, instead of RE-act? What, IOW, kept Bush from urgently working---WITH CLINTON'S INFO---to prevent the attacks?!

INSTEAD OF IGNORING HIS PDB: "Bin Laden Determined to Strike U.S."

[Blue_Tires]

36. and yet, more

Marine Barracks Bombing - 1983

Black Monday - 1987

Mississippi Flood of 1927

[lpbk2713]

37. The biggest budgetary deficit EVER.

It will take generations to recover from the fiscal damage this band of thieves has perpetrated on the US taxpayer. And the asshole started with a SURPLUS.

[rasputin1952]

39. Well...one can start right off w/Katrina...

then 9-11, the Great Depression, the Civil War...the list goes on.

But WWI was under Wilson, and we won; WWII was under FDR/Truman, and we won; VN was under Johnson/Nixon/Ford, we lost; GW I was under bush I, and that set up GW II, one for two there.

In general, history shows that the R's have basically screwed things up, and a D came in and repaired the damage, (not so with the CW, Lincoln tried to avoid it, but it was going to happen in any case).

The Great Depression came about because the R's refused to do anything to reign in all of the contributing factors, in fact, the enhanced them all. Horace Harding & Calvin Coolidge set policies that got Herbert Hoover hammered w/the Depression. It took years to get away form the GD, and FDR, while working feverishly to bring about a turn, got hit w/WWII. From then on, prosperity was pretty well guaranteed, but at a cost of many lives.

Disaters....the GOP has always been the driving force behind them.

[EstimatedProphet]

42. The thing is, people like this are stupid, like you say

You can come back with all the facts in the world tomorrow, and he'll either say he doesn't believe them or just say "Well, I know I'm right. So there!" You can't fight people like that with facts, because facts don't matter to them. You have to show them that there are consequences to believing that facts only matter in service to an agenda, and the consequences are that people call you an asshole and laugh at you.

Humiliate the fuck out of him. He's got it coming. Laugh at him and make sure you publicly let everyone know in earshot what a stupid asshole he is, and maybe he'll begin to get the picture.

[Rosemary2205]

45. YEEEHAAAW - The almighty power of the CLENIS.

Gawd RWer are pathetic beings.

[leftofthedial]

46. New Orleans

New Orleans

The biggest disaster of all of those--by far.

Waco was a George the First operation, barely inherited by Clinton before it went south.

As pointed out above, Waco and OKC were perpetrated by extremists who voted repuke.

[WinkyDink]

47. Here's a different set: DEAD Melamine PETS! Anti-freeze toothpaste! E. Coli spinach!

Salmonella peanut butter!

"FDA Inspections Down Amid Food Recalls"
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory?id=2905921

"Unfortunately, this does not appear to be an isolated example. In 2001, USDA routinely allowed negligent companies to sell meat and poultry to American consumers after violations were detected, according to a report by the General Accounting Office." "Barbara Kowalcyk, a biostatistician at the University of Wisconsin whose son died of E. coli poisoning, discovered that USDA was doctoring the data to pump up its performance."
http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2004/06/b98617.html

[alfredo]

49. Ask him why there is always a recession in the first year or second

year of a Republican presidency?

[AspenRose]

52. I was at a potluck the other night

And a republican pastor was telling 'you might be a redneck' jokes. One of his jokes was "you might be a redneck if all of your family are democrats, except for the one little kid who took to reading."

I was like, :wtf:

I thought it was republicans who didn't like all that science and book learnin' and stuff. At least that's how they legislate....:eyes:

...all the while talking about how "elitist" (read: east coast university-educated) democrats are. It gets so old. They need to make up their minds. Talk about STOOPID....

[WinkyDink]

53. Tell the good reverend to keep his day job.

[orleans]

56. repukes were the only party that had to have the supreme court

INSTALL a pResident because they were too afraid of a vote recount from 2000

repukes had to rig voting machines and have caging lists so they could steal 2004

[greenbriar]

57. he never came back today

think he went home and googled and found he was going to lose!!!


too bad

I LOVE a spirited debate