Hillary REFUSED to answer question about whether Libby should be pardoned. WTF?

[NoodleyAppendage]

Matthews today asked a direct question of Hillary about whether Libby should be pardoned or not...he asked it TWICE. And, twice Hillary refused to answer.

Prima facie evidence of why Dems have no business voting for her anointed highness. The question was simple and direct. The answer was simple (for many), so WTF...why must every response be triangulated and patterned. I'M SICK OF IT.

J

[LisaM]

1. Because it's never a cut and dried issue. Why should she go on the record?

Ironically, it was Scooter Libby who asked Bill Clinton to pardon Marc Rich. I'm sure Hillary doesn't want to touch it with a ten-foot pole. Not only that, people who want to be president tend to want to preserve presidential privileges.

[NoodleyAppendage]

3. There's "right" and there's "wrong". That's it. This political response crap drives people wild.

It was a simple response if you believe in the rule of law. I guess by her non answer, we are to assume that she's uncomfortable with legal certainty? Still, WTF...

J

[me b zola]

13. Heaven forbid a politian give a simple and direct answer to a question

I mean, it's not as though the voters need to know where the candidates stand on any of the issues before they vote.

[BeHereNow]

28. One name- Leonard Peltier.

Bill pardoned Rich, corporate criminal.
Bill left Leonard to rot.
Yes Hillary, I want to know-
Will you condone a pardon of Libby,
like your husband did Rich?
I think it is more than a fair question.
The country is sick of criminals who
are not accountable for their crimes against the citizens.
BHN

[me b zola]

94. And we have been seeing this in the following of individuals backing certain candidates

...who ridicule those of us who see disparities in the justice system.

The past two weeks I have been in mind-numbing back pain, but some of the posts that I have seen regarding social justice and class warfare (there was a lot of hatred against real people and their very real circumstances) made the tension enough to take an extra pain pill and muscle relaxer and go back to bed.

This country is made of "heros" that break the law but are "seen" as good-guys. Meanwhile, everyone else is branded a criminal.

I hate to say it, but I don't think that we will ever have anyone with enough conscience to free Leonard.

[BeHereNow]

96. Exacty- Riducule those who question the justice gone wrong.

Never connecting that it is because of the likes of Libby and Gonzales, and the list goes on,
that we are in the FUBAR situation we now face as a nation.
Mind numbing, is it not?

BHN

[HCE SuiGeneris]

25. She should go on record... BECAUSE

if we don't know where she stands on issues, why should we elect her? Jesus! Defending her when she attempts to deflect her responses to direct positions is beyond comprehension.

[question everything]

37. She is on the record on many issues that are important

I don't think that Matthews should decide which issues are important.

Like some of the questions that Blitzer asked during the debate.

[BeHereNow]

78. While no Matthews fan myself- the issue DOES MATTER.

Are we not to question whether or not yet ANOTHER
member of the corporate elite condones government
officals acting above the law without consequence?

This should be a MAJOR concern of every citizen in this country.

BHN

[BeHereNow]

38. Well, if you check out the clip to the segment, you will learn something disturbing.

The audience begins to boo, etc..
The corporate queen then refers to something along
the lines of, " They want to hear about issues that affect them!"

AS IF Libby and the lot of criminals in his den have not
affected WE, the people? As if his receiving a pardon
would not be the ultimate proof that this country is
ruled by people who are allowed to act above the law
without fear of consequence?
What part of that situation does not affect WE, the people?

What in the HELL?

BHN:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

[HCE SuiGeneris]

41. In full agreement,

separate justice for separate classes doesn't jibe in my book.

[BeHereNow]

44. An audience of people who fail to realize that the LIBBY case DOES affect THEM

makes me want to get the hell out of this country.

Is it something in the water?
Are people REALLY that disconnected from reality?
Unable to connect the two issues?

If so, there is no hope.

BHN

[HCE SuiGeneris]

50. Oh poor Hillary, just a simple hesitant moment.

It is bullshit. She is nothing more than another puppet of her corporate sponsors/masters. If she had the courage and leadership that will be necessary to correct the wrongs being perpetrated, she would have stepped up and led with an answer -- instead of cowing in front of another controversial topic.

[NoodleyAppendage]

54. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that some of the boo-ers were Clinton camp workers.

It would be "par for the course" for her to have campaign aides or others at the ready to assist in deflecting any hard questions.

J

[BeHereNow]

75. WORKED FOR THE BFEE...

WITNESS THE GOP "PROTESTERS" WE SAW IN THE 2000 RECOUNT.
BHN

[wordpix]

81. maybe the audience was booing b/c she didn't answer the question!

[papau]

68. It is only a media lose/lose question intended to smear her and Bill - why play that game? n/t

n/t

[wordpix]

80. did not know that about Marc Rich but Hillary just lost me on this one

As an undecided Dem I am taking a harder look at the others. She's a 2nd tier candidate to me now. YUCK!

[Garbo 2004]

97. Since the Pres pardon power is absolute and in the Constitution, it wouldn't be endangered by a

Presidential candidate's opinion on this specific case. Obama's on the record as opposing a pardon for Libby.

Additionally, Libby had ceased representing Rich in early 2000 and was not involved in the pardon application. Jack Quinn, a former Clinton White House counsel, represented Rich in the pardon application.

Among others, Denise Rich, Clinton supporter and big Dem contributor, asked for the pardon of her ex-husband.

[Deja Q]

2. H1llary B. Clinton?

:evilfrown:

She should have answered it. As a politician, and I say this with due thought involved, she would have been better off lying... which is why I hope she isn't nominated.

I always vote. But I will NOT vote for her. Chalk this latest incident up as another reason why.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

95. Hypno...

I saw this earlier, and can't believe you got no props. H1llary B. Clinton is brilliant!

[BeHereNow]

4. Mealy mouthed comes to mind.

She has perfected the art of saying nothing,
even when she does say something.
BHN

[natrat]

5. and what would expect of her? she is a beast

[emilyg]

71. Yes she is a Tiger

Go Hillary!!!!!

[BrklynLiberal]

6. That is why I don't want her to get the nomination..no courage.

She will not stand up and fight....

[BeHereNow]

8. I wouldn't say "no courage" is the #1 problem with old Hil- more like

NO allegiance to upholding the law or the constitution.
She has to much to lose from the multi national corps.
as in, $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

BHN

[BrklynLiberal]

11. Yep. and it affects her decisions in ways that turn me off...

[monmouth]

7. I thought HRC was superb...Smack down that stupid Matthews and

that stupid question. Why should she get involved answering that question, opening herself up to all the hate hillary crowd. Good for her, I definitely will vote for her if Gore doesn't run.

[NoodleyAppendage]

9. Libby being pardoned is a stupid question? Is her vote for the war a stupid question?

What are the other topics of importance that are stupid to ask Hillary?

J

[BeHereNow]

12. It was NOT a stupid question- As I citizen, I want to know if ANOTHER CLINTON

is going to pardon yet another corprate CRIMINAL who acted against WE, the people.

Meanwhile, Leonard Peltier still sits in prison?

What planet are you living on?

BHN

[Clovis Sangrail]

10. cause she's a politician?

and almost all of our politicians are slimey?

[BeHereNow]

16. Not just slimey- TRAITORS

Beholden to CORPORATE interests, not US.
BHN

[CatWoman]

14. so

or rather, so fucking what?

[NoodleyAppendage]

15. So...she's running for Pres. And, I, for one, would like to know if she respects the rule of law.

That "so."

J

[BeHereNow]

18. Ditto. n/t

bhn

[CatWoman]

20. your dittoing frightens and confuses me........

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

23. Listen, sister.

Who died (and wasn't resuscitated) and made you in charge of Futurama references?

[CatWoman]

27. na na na, boo boo!!!!

that was an "Unfrozen Caveman" reference!!

:hi:

[BeHereNow]

24. Why is that?

BHN

[CatWoman]

26. I know knothing of your world. I'm just a caveman. Unfrozen, and forced

to endure your world.

[BeHereNow]

30. Care to speak in literal terms?

I have no idea what you mean.

I can tell you what I mean- literally.

The question was fairly simple.
Are you going to condone the pardon of a criminal?
Her husband did while he left Leonard Peltier to rot.

As a citizen who is disgusted by the never ending corruption
in our government, I want to know-
Does it continue under another Clinton?
The candidate I would like to hear from is the one
who would, without hestitation answer,
"Absolutely not- the man is a criminal and
must be held accountable for his crimes."

What on earth is the question about whether Libby
should be pardoned? Hell no! Simple, real simple.

BHN

[CatWoman]

48. well,

it's obvious that the audience in question wasn't interested in the question, or hearing an answer.

Perhaps both can be revisited at another date, during another forum?

Huh?

[BeHereNow]

51. AND that is the problem with this country.

"the audience in question wasn't interested in the question, or hearing an answer."

Heaven forbid we talk about what matters.
As in the LAW and those who act above it in Washington.
No, that has nothing to do with how we got where we are.

On to someting IMPORTANT, eh?

How about GAY marriage?
ABORTION rights?

SWEEP the real problems under the rug-
they have nothing to do with us.

BHN

[CatWoman]

19. I fail to understand your "outrage" and "concern"

don't "we" have bigger fish to fry?

[Missy Vixen]

36. Thank you

Did she think that this was going to open up a whole can of worms with her husband? Uh, the correct response to THAT would be "My husband's presidency is not on the table right now. This is. We must restore the rule of law in this country."

I'm so glad someone else noticed she didn't answer the freaking question. Twice.

Julie

[NoodleyAppendage]

55. No problem. I think Americans are ready for political courage...sadly few have it.

Cheers.

J

[Quixote1818]

17. Here is the video of what actually happened

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/06/19/audience-heckles-matthews_n_52875.html

[CatWoman]

21. and I'm glad the audience heckled him

enough of this bullshit.

:nuke:

[Clovis Sangrail]

40. I don't like tweety

but the question seemed valid... and I found her response fairly disturbing.
Tweety: a real question
Hilary: like a question that's really about the people in this audience and not what goes on in washington

umm... what goes on in Washington is what elections are all about
Pardoning members of the administration who have commmitted crimes while we rot in jails for breaking the law IS about that audience (and ALL of us).

[BeHereNow]

22. Okay...now that is down right frightening. AS IF Libby didn't affect the American people?

Okay, I'm back to "people get the government they deserve."

As if whether of not Libby should be granted a pardon is
negotiable under the rule of law, the constitution and
just plain reality?

The disconnect is mind numbing.

BHN

[Greyskye]

110. WTH was wrong with the question?

I'm no tweety fan, but that was a completely legitimate question that I would like to know the answer to. Were those heckling tweety Hillary fans, who wanted softball questions? :shrug:

[ecstatic]

29. umm... then everyone will scrutinize Bill Clinton's pardons

duh. Attack her for anything but this...

[BeHereNow]

Lets HOPE people continue to scrutinize his pardons. Leonard Peltier is STILL in prison

While Mark Rich walks a free man.

Hmmm, 8 years of Clinton
Hmmm, 8 years of Bush
Hmmm, Hillary running

Are we a dynasty yet?

You're damned straight the Clintons need to be scrutinized.
We may never take this country back from the corporate
thugs otherwise.

BHN

[emilyg]

72. Tiresome old line blah blah

[BeHereNow]

76. YES, you are correct, same old blah blah.

By politicians who do NOT address the issues that MATTER.
I see you are satisfied with that.
I therefore file you with my "people get the government they deserve"
folder.

I'll bet you can name all the current American Idol winners too, eh?

BET you can't tell me who the biggest campaign contributors to Ms. Hil are
without doing a search.
Don't bother, I'll tell you-
Multi national corporations.

I take it you don't know much about the Lenord Peltier case either.
You might want to stay silent at this point in the discussion.
Or perhaps not.
Perhaps you have no shame about your ignorance regarding the matter
and are therefore reduced to slinging phrases like "blah, blah, blah.""


BHN

[emilyg]

85. I have never watched Amer. Idol

Lawrence Welk was my speed

[BeHereNow]

87. I'll contact some friends and see what I can do about a new series-"Presidential Idol"

No scrutiny what-so-ever required of the contestants.
Only POP-Culture popularity ratings.
Get ready to dial in and cast your vote!

1st poll question:
Did the crimes committed by Libby in any way, compromise
the the citizens of the United States?

Overwhelming audience response, according to you, selection:

No. I am happy living under corporate dominated and corrupted government.
Politicians should not be subjected to the LAW.
The law is meant to only apply to the serfs of the Kingdom/Empire.

Happy now?

BHN

[emilyg]

92. You have friends???

By the way - my blah-blah linked to you but was not meant for you.

[BeHereNow]

93. Gee, thanks for the clarifcation- Who were you replying to?

And yes, I have friends.
Wonderful, intelligent friends.
You?
BHN

[creeksneakers2]

112. That would have been Tweety's next question

"Why does Marc Rich (or somebody worse) deserve a pardon but Libby does not?"

Hillary was smart to stay out of the trap.

[Peace Patriot]

31. She's trying to keep her options open, as President, as to committing felonies,

or directing her aides to, this one (lying under oath, lying to the FBI, obstructing justice) among other options pioneered by the Bush fascists, including torture, indefinite detention without charge, re-writing laws passed by Congress, with "signing statements" and other such "unitary executive" "options," illegal domestic spying, secret budgets, "emergency" allocations in the trillions of dollars, and preemptive war.

She has not disavowed any of them, nor have most of the other candidates--nor have any of them stated that we have a tyrant, that our Constitution is in shreds, and that tyranny in the Executive Branch should be curtailed and punished--the truth of the matter. I think Kucinich has said some things along these lines. (So has Gore.) The others have not (or they have not been reported). Correct me if I'm wrong. I am cursed by the fascist filter of the war profiteering corporate news monopolies like everybody else. I listened for these disavowals, and an avowal to return to the rule of law, during the Kerry campaign, and heard none. It made me very uneasy. And I'm afraid I see the same lame response to tyranny in the current candidates.

Imagine Hillary--as President--faced with the many rebellions she may be faced with (rebellion against a military Draft, rebellion against attack on Iran, food riots as an economic meltdown occurs, veterans' protests, global corporate piracy ("free trade") protests a la Seattle), grannies-in-wheelchair protests when the planned Social Security/Medicare meltdown occurs)--as all the Bushite chickens come home to roost, putting us all on no-fly lists, arresting and detaining protest leaders, indefinitely, in those big cages they're building for "illegal immigrants," declaring martial law, declaring whole cities as "no free speech zones," spying on her "enemies," and torturing people around the globe (or helping their governments torture them) who dare to organize unions or farmers coops against "globalization."

It surprises me not in the least that Clinton would dodge the Libby pardon question. It could conceivable be because of those questionable pardons of Bill's, that she wouldn't want opened afresh. But I think it's more likely a hint of Corporate Rule Part 2: Turning the "war on terror" tools, that the Bush Junta has pioneered, into tools against protest, against democracy.

Don't you ever wonder why these Democratic candidates say NOTHING about "trade secret," proprietary vote counting, owned and controlled by rightwing Bushite corporations? (--except Kucinich.) Doesn't it occur to you that they are not running for president--they are running for king? And the people who get to vote for THAT "office" are very few, indeed. And they would all approve of the "president" shredding the Constitution, committing felonies, spying, torturing, "detaining," and killing masses of people, if it was profitable, or even just for the hell of it, to make us afraid, and to make us forget what democracy is.

[BeHereNow]

33. GREAT post! And in answer to your question...

"Don't you ever wonder why these Democratic candidates say NOTHING
about "trade secret," proprietary vote counting, owned and controlled
by rightwing Bushite corporations? (--except Kucinich.)
Doesn't it occur to you that they are not running for president--they are running for king?"

The answer is two fold-
American's have the attention span of fleas; ei no memory of the ISSUES.
BECAUSE,
They live their lives and participate in our democracy as though it
were another episode of American Idol.

Again, people get the government they deserve.
They want a country ruled by corporate kings and queens?
So be it.


BHN

[NoodleyAppendage]

57. Bravo...if not disturbing.

Sometimes I weep for the shambles our country has become.

J

[mod mom]

73. you nailed it, as usual.

[LostinVA]

79. Oh brother

[Marnieworld]

111. Bravo!

:applause:

Other than Gore and Kucinich these so-called progressive candidates do not reflect my reality. The country and the Constitution is in crisis. I have often compared it to a house on fire. Gore and Kucinich are organizing fire engines when Hillary is wondering what fabric to choose for the drapes.

I haven't watched a single debate yet because for me nothing has happened. I want someone to actually talk about being against crime. What a concept. She's running for the office of the top law enforcement position but cannot talk about a criminal case? She should completely support Fitzgerald, completely mention that it was a conspiracy to out a covert spy and that Libby obstructed Justice. What would be so hard about that? How can anyone call themselves a leader without committing to an opinion?

[lovuian]

32. Hillary should have said go to jail

I don't know what was so hard about it

[wordpix]

82. She should have said that Libby had a repub prosecutor, repub judge,

& jury approved by Libby's lawyers---they all sent the asshat to jail; ergo, she approves of the law and enforcement of the law being upheld.

Missed opportunity, Hillary.

[Annces]

34. Maybe she is an alien lizard

What does she really care about.

[Generator]

53. By George you've got it!

Cheney gave her a love bite, and the rest, as they say, is history.

[Breeze54]

35. It's called 'politics' and Matthews is a nerd!

;)

[Truth2Tell]

39. K & R, this says it all. nt

[karlrschneider]

42. She is trying REAL hard not to offend anyone.

It appears to be having the opposite effect in many cases. But she would be savaged no matter how (if) she answered.
She would probably have gotten props for answering "Scooter who?"
:eyes:

[BeHereNow]

47. I'm not worried about her offending me- I'm far more worried that she will

continue the corruption and "one set of laws for these people"
and another set of NO LAW for her corporate cronies.

Personally, I've had enough of that type of presidency
in this country.

BHN

[karlrschneider]

64. I know what you're saying but I'm not convinced HRC is corrupt.

She isn't my first choice (and I don't even have one yet) but I'm not interested in totally writing her off either.
One thing for sure, though, she has a knack for polarizing Democrats. ;-)

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

43. To "successful politicians" speaking plainly (or, honestly) is a dangerous tactic.

Telling people what they want, or may want, to hear is why the "advisers" are so well paid.

[JerseygirlCT]

45. Have to agree. Even a touch of Biden's foot-in-mouth

disease would be a refreshing difference.

Just say it, Hillary: no way in the world he should be pardoned. The risk with saying that is what?

[JerseygirlCT]

46. Oh and can I just add: CELINE DION?

Give me a break.

That in itself is enough to write someone off.

[NoodleyAppendage]

58. It DEFINITELY speaks to a complete lack of musical taste.

If she were the astute politican that she believes she is...the logical choice would have been the Journey song. It's been played heavily and would be far above anything Dion has crapped out of her mouth.

J

[JerseygirlCT]

59. Not that I'm a big Journey fan, but yeah, it would make sense...

and thanks to the Sopranos, it will be sure to get lots of airplay in the future.

Who the hell listens to Celine Dion anyway?

[NoodleyAppendage]

61. Obese, dark sock and short wearing American tourists visiting Vegas

Dion probably has a fan base with chain-smoking, late 50 year old, divorced women for whom her songs "speak to them." :)

BTW - not a big Journey fan either (though there are a few nice moments on their first album).

J

[JerseygirlCT]

65. Yeah, Steve Perry and I probably have similar ranges,

so it's fun to sing some of the stuff really loud in the car.

That's about as far as it goes, however!

And LOL about the Vegas thing...

[bvar22]

106. I've got a better song for Hillary:

Everybody knows that the dice are loaded
Everybody rolls with their fingers crossed
Everybody knows that the war is over
Everybody knows the good guys lost
Everybody knows the fight was fixed
The poor stay poor, the rich get rich
That's how it goes
Everybody knows
Everybody knows that the boat is leaking
Everybody knows that the captain lied
Everybody got this broken feeling
Like their father or their dog just died

Everybody talking to their pockets
Everybody wants a box of chocolates
And a long stem rose
Everybody knows

Everybody knows that you love me baby
Everybody knows that you really do
Everybody knows that you've been faithful
Ah give or take a night or two
Everybody knows you've been discreet
But there were so many people you just had to meet
Without your clothes
And everybody knows

Everybody knows, everybody knows
That's how it goes
Everybody knows

Everybody knows, everybody knows
That's how it goes
Everybody knows

And everybody knows that it's now or never
Everybody knows that it's me or you
And everybody knows that you live forever
Ah when you've done a line or two
Everybody knows the deal is rotten
Old Black Joe's still pickin' cotton
For your ribbons and bows
And everybody knows

And everybody knows that the Plague is coming
Everybody knows that it's moving fast
Everybody knows that the naked man and woman
Are just a shining artifact of the past
Everybody knows the scene is dead
But there's gonna be a meter on your bed
That will disclose
What everybody knows

And everybody knows that you're in trouble
Everybody knows what you've been through
From the bloody cross on top of Calvary
To the beach of Malibu
Everybody knows it's coming apart
Take one last look at this Sacred Heart
Before it blows
And everybody knows

Everybody knows, everybody knows
That's how it goes
Everybody knows

Oh everybody knows, everybody knows
That's how it goes
Everybody knows

Everybody knows
---Leonard Cohen

[JerseygirlCT]

108. Wouldn't you just immediately gravitate toward someone

who had the guts to pick a song that REALLY says something?

[leftchick]

49. why does that shock you?

lol! she is the number one DLC fence sitter. The PERFECT Dem candidate. Or so they tell us.

[illinoisprogressive]

52. she is allowed to skate by on alot of stuff. Is not held to same as the others

[A-Schwarzenegger]

56. The polls on the pardon arent all in.

[Jacobin]

60. Just wait 'till she gets in the WH and 'deals' with IraqNam

I predict DLC disaster continuation.

[ikojo]

62. Her husband pardoned Mark Rich

so hard telling who'd she would pardon.

[NoodleyAppendage]

67. Isn't she running for President? Or, is she still dependent on Bill?

If she's wanting to show that's "she's her own woman," then what better way than to respond that a Libby pardon would be wrong. Matthew would predictably come back with the Bill/Mark Rich retort, at which point Hillary could say, "I'm my own person, and I don't believe it is right." It's not tough.

J

[BeHereNow]

89. Indeed, but then that would mean losing her place in the corporate piggie feeding line.

Jeezus, what part of this do people not comprehend?
For her to ACTUALLY say, on televison,
"The people want questions about issues that concern them..."

Hello???

As IF The Cheney/Rove orchestrated crimes against this country
and our military do NOT concern them?


BHN:banghead: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf:

[BeHereNow]

77. So FAR, no one has pardoned Peltier.

For me, that is the most offensive element of the whole picture.
Peltier rots in prison to this day because BILL decided to
not pardon him, but pardon MARK RICH? KNOWN criminal?

Yet she has to hmmm and haw about a pardon for LIBBY?
And far worse, before an audience who agreed that
Libby's crimes had nothing to do with their interests.

Astounding.
Simply astounding, the ignorance of the citizens in that audience.
Do you suppose there is a chance they were hand picked,
like a Bush audience?

"Oh NO, BHN, that couldn't POSSIBLY be, never mind who her people propaganda specialist is"

:sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm:

BHN

[B Calm]

63. Why is Matthews asking the question in the first place? Is there a

hidden agenda here?

[JerseygirlCT]

66. He's been on it for days. He finds the whole situation/question

fascinating. Or so he says.

Was cornering some RW-er about it yesterday -- the RW-er was in favor of a pardon. Tweety asked about Clinton, and why he was impeached for perjury, but Libby ought to be pardoned when he was convicted of the crime.

No answer, of course, except flubbing around.

[Disturbed]

69. She hasn't had time to stick her finger in the air to

determine which way the wind is blowing on that topic.

[BeHereNow]

91. You are JOKING, right?

Why?
Why?

Because the future of the country depends on eliminating the
culture of CORRUPTION from Washington.

I don't care for Matthews, but in this case, I commend him for
being the first network talking head in a LONG TIME, to ask a question
that is actually relevant to the problem at hand-
THAT BEING, the continuing "look the other way when crimes are
committed by those above the law" mind set by-those sworn to
uphold the rule of law and Constitution who masquarade in
Washington as our representatives while lining their pockets
with corporate cash.

BULLSHIT.

BHN

[bonito]

70. LOL entertaining thread, recommended n/t

[Hamlette]

74. Can you say Bill Clinton? If there is ANYONE in this country who should not take a stand on Libby

it is Hillary (and Bill).

I know Bill's case is different from Libby's but close enough to make it uncomfortable for her. (Not for me, but for her it brings up the Bill's impeachment and she has to go there again.)

[Phoebe Loosinhouse]

83. Hillary's hands are soiled because of Bill's pardoning of Marc Rich

She (they) cede any moral high ground they might have had if Rich had not been the beneficiary of a Presidential pardon.

Answering this question puts her in territory just filled with land mine after land mine. A definite case of some chickens coming home to roost.

[BeHereNow]

86. Hello! AND it is only REASONABLE for a thinking person to ASK...

If the trend continues where the next Clinton bid for the
queen of corporate dynasty is concerned.

WE are in the situation we are, as citizens, DUE TO THIS NEVER
ENDING CORRUPTION.

SO yes, MS. Clinton, queen of Walmart and toxic Chinese imports,
I would like to know...

Are you for ENDING this trail of "those in government are free to
act above the law without consequence?

OR
Are you planning to continue and condone the abuse of power against
WE, the people?

BHN

[leftofthedial]

84. depends on what the maining of the word "pardoned" is

and on what the meaning of every other word in the dictionary is.

It's hard work triangulating a binary question. Hard work.

[NoodleyAppendage]

90. LOL. Good one. n/t

J

[ellisonz]

88. Disgusting.

Typically fake hatred of Washington D.C.

"But, to speak practically and as a citizen, unlike those who call themselves no-government men, I ask for, not at once no government, but at once a better government. Let every man make known what kind of government would command his respect, and that will be one step toward obtaining it."

-Henry David Thoreau - http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/Literature/Thoreau/CivilDisobedience.html

[MiniMe]

98. He is on trial for perjury, just like her husband was

Now, do I think the case against Clinton was uncalled for? Yes. Is what Libby did totally different? Absolutely. Would it eventually come back to the Clenis? Of course, doesn't everything? Do I feel like Donald Rumsfeld asking and answering my own questions? Yes, but how dare you associate me with that man.

[ShortnFiery]

99. It's also a little embarrassing explaining away hubby's pardon of his half-brother, Roger.

:wow: :blush: :P

[Truth2Tell]

107. At least he was family.

I can give him a pass on Roger. I'd pardon my own brother. He's a roguish buffoon, but not a traitor like both Marc Rich and Libby.

[arewenotdemo]

100. And risk her endowed chair at the American Enterprise Institute???

Come on.

[Just-plain-Kathy]

101. No more Clintons, no more Bush's, and no one who voted for the IWR.

Anyone who voted to give PNAC their chance at starting a war in the Middle East should not be our president.

...It sickened me to see how much the Clintons had invested in oil, Haliburton and Wal-Mart.

[ima_sinnic]

102. does anyone have ANY doubt that things would pretty much continue as is

under "president" Clinton?
I use "president" with quotes as irony, b/c under HRC the government would continue on its steady course of full commitment to corporate interests, with--as usual--the string-pullers and palm-greasers deciding everything.

That woman sickens and disgusts me. She is as transparent as the jr dogturd currently squatting in the WH--amazing that apparently so few are able to see this. She stands for absolutely nothing. She has the moral courage of a loser. What innovative ideas has she propounded? What courageous stands has she taken? Where exactly would she lead us? Anybody who thinks the very profitable criminal atrocities going on in Iraq would be lessened, let alone halted, is delusional. She has NOT TAKEN A STAND ON ANYTHING UP TO NOW, so why should she begin after being "elected"? (again said as irony, knowing her "election" was decided a long time ago). Our steady march toward corporate control of all aspects of our lives, corporations that owe allegiance to no government, will not be affected in the slightest.

I refuse to vote for that PHONY, MEALY-MOUTHED CORPORATE KISSASS!

I defy even ONE of you sycophants for that empty suit to come up with ONE EXAMPLE of a courageous stand on anything by her, ONE EXAMPLE OF REAL LEADERSHIP that is not somehow camouflaging the interests of the wealthy predator class.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

105. I didn't quite express it as well upthread,

but this is what galls me about her campaign. No substance, no initiative, no concern for the people. A hand puppet of the corporations playing politics. F U Hillary, and may Dennis Kucinich continue to demonstrate what real leadership entails.

[usregimechange]

103. You have got to be kidding me!

[watercolors]

104. It was a stupid question!!!

Has nothing to do with her candacy, I applaud the audience for getting angry at "tweety" for his stupidity. Why would ny candidate need to answer it, does not pertain to running for Pres, more important issues out there!

[SoCalDem]

109. I was wishing she would have said:

"Look, Chris.. How the republicans treat their criminal pals is not up to me...You should be asking Bush this question, since he has not asked MY opinion, and HE has the power....not me "