Why do so many people want the duke case.......

[mountains539]

It seems after reading so many of the reactions to the duke lacrosse case outcome.......that there are a bunch of people that seem to want this woman to have been raped so that the lacrosse players would be punished and a big.....SEE, I TOLD YOU SO.
I just feel like there are a lot of folk here want them to be guilty which means that the accuser would have to have been raped.

When it first became public, most folks lined up in support of the alleged victim, then when it turned out that the guys were innocent, there seems to be some anger that they werent going to be punished....like damn......they got away.

[William769]

1. It destroyed their perception, also their meme

and all the vitriol that they have spewed has been in vain.

[Donnachaidh]

2. What?

Can you clarify your post a bit more?

Are you inferring that people here think the woman *should* have gotten raped? Or that people wanted these guys to be put through a trial?

[mountains539]

4. it just seems

It just seems that there are some people that are really disapointed that these guys are not guilty of rape instead of feeling relieved that the accuser was not put through the trauma of having been raped......

[Donnachaidh]

6. I have no sympathy for these guys

And I have no disappointment about them not being charged.

But I do note how these priviledged kids are sure playing up their victim roles NOW. :shrug:

[MadMaddie]

3. I don't think that applies to everyone here..

wants to see innocent people charged and convicted of a crime.

The main problem I have with this case is that these 3 white males were accused of a crime against a black woman....these 3 men were able to get good lawyers and proove their case that they did not commit this crime. (That's good)

The prosecuter was over zealous and broke many rules to try to convict these guys.

But if the suspects were 3 black males and they were accused of a crime against a white woman......lets face it....these men wouldn't have a chance in hell....case in fact...The New York Jogger case....4 boys sat in jail for years.....until the truth was revealed....she was attacked by a serial rapist in the area....

Money and priviledge talks and everyone else gets shitty defense lawyers and investigators and thrown in jail....

[iamjoy]

8. If They Were Black

wealthy and well spoken, they would have gotten away with it all the same (regardless of guilt). Think OJ Simpson.

If they were black and poor (NY Jogger), or looked like a bunch of thugs (Mike Tyson) their asses would be in prison now. Again, regardless of actual guilt.

[onenote]

26. So the "main problem" you have with "this case" is that if they had been black

they wouldn't have gotten justice.

But that's not a "problem" with "this case". Its a "problem" with other "cases" that "this case" helps illuminate.

The problem is that some DUers seem to think the result in this case is a "problem" when in fact it merely is justice.

[GainesT1958]

5. Nifong used this case...

In an attempt to catapault himself to political stardom. His hiding evidence was, IMO, criminal. He shouldn't just be disbarred; he should be in jail for his actions.

They may be arrogant brats--they DID go to Dook, after all:eyes: -- but if they're innocent, they have the right not to be framed, especially by the lead prosecutor in the case.

New legislation is making its way through our General Assembly which would give the Governor and the state Attorney General much greater, much better-defined powers in ways to discipline prosecutors and judges who instigate and tolerate this kind of illegal behavior. I hope and pray it passes (I'm certain Gov. Mike Easley would sign it, especially in light of this case) and we can greatly reduce the likelihood of this happening again.

B-)

[mountains539]

9. strange dynamics going on

there are some strange things about this.....our perceptions of class and race....it was precisely the fact that they were white and duke students that this whole thing was brought to national attention. had the race rolls been reversed i doubt this would have even been known to many people outside of the triangle area. case in point......anyone outside of the triangle area recall the Anson Durance (sp) UNC Womens soccer team allegations?
would the feelings on these boards be identical if the races were reversed?
have we really become this divided? that we hate so easily based on race even here at DU?
(I know, i dont have many posts but have been lurking for a couple years)
have we made assumptions based on limited info and act on those assumptions?

[MadMaddie]

17. I don't think here at DU we are that divided about race...

What I think is happening is...For the first time people are seeing, especially during this Administration a true difference between the have's and have nots...

For many miniorities the the way the Duke players were treated was not that much of a shocker....the shocker is that more people are actually paying attention now....

Don't forget the media played a big negative role in this case just as they did in the New York Jogger's case...


What you are seeing is average Americans getting really pissed off at the greedy, Paris Hilton, * America....Classicm is alive and well and it is touching every corner of this country....from the law, healthcare, equal rights etc....

I am glad you posted.

[mountains539]

19. Thank You!

my post was a question......thank you for the answer......thats what i am looking for. Im confused about the issue, confused about so much that is going on in our country and society. im frustrated to see so much hate for the accuser and the accused. so much divisiveness and im looking for insight.

Thank You!

[MadMaddie]

27. You are most welcome!

Keep asking questions and keep posting. This site has a many many wonderful people....

Welcome to DU!:hi:

[Toasterlad]

11. Agreed.

It's true that the boys had all the power of the law money could buy, being three white boys from fairly well-to-do families. However, it seems pretty clear that they wouldn't have been railroaded as they were if they WEREN'T three white boys from fairly well-to-do families. Nifong clearly was trying to use these guys to further his own career. As has been pointed out many times before, if it were three poor black guys accused of raping a white girl, it would not have served Nifong's needs politically.

I don't think anybody would disagree that blacks are often treated unfairly by our legal system, but that doesn't mean these three white boys should have to pay for it, no matter how rich and privileged they are. Nifong was rightfully disbarred, and should absolutely be jailed as a deterrent to all the other shysters who ignore facts over personal gain. The man took an oath to see justice done, and totally disregarded it.

Hmmm...reminds me of a few OTHER guys I know...

[Lex]

15. Besides, a jury would've figured out right quick

that Nifong had no case, and would've acquitted. Even Nifong had to know that. He had 20+ years as an ADA in that office. What a self-screwing he administered on this from start to finish.

[Lex]

7. You say "there are a lot of folk here want them to be guilty . . . "

No there's not.

Please point me in the direction of ONE POST where the poster says they want the boys to be guilty.

Thanks in advance.

[Name removed]

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[mountains539]

13. read original post

Its a feeling i get from reading some of the reactions and it SEEMS like this is the case
like there was a feeling at the begining of the case.....like....ohhhhh they are going to get it now.....
now it seems like there are some who are upset that they arent going to get it now

no one has posted "I WISH THEY WERE GUILTY" but the sentiment of many posts seems like that is the feeling

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

12. just hating on the white man,

but with so many evil white men to choose from, why these abercrombie assholes rose to the top is lost on me. I am alarmed that so many here would basically cheer the hanging of an innocent man if they believe that innocent individual some how represented what they hate.

[Lex]

14. Wrong.

Not one DU'er would "cheer the hanging of an innocent man."

Show me a post where one DU'er said or even inferred they would want ANY innocent man to hang--white, black, green, purple or otherwise.

[mountains539]

16. well......

I dont think anyone is going to say that out loud......but i for one wouldnt mind seeing cheney punished for some crimes he is just thinking about commiting

[Lex]

18. that's a bit different

. . . saying Cheney should be punished is a bit different than saying there are DU'ers would "cheer" innocent men hanging because they are white.

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

20. Posted by pettypace

How's a Democratic DA who was fighting for re-election in a Democratic city so greatly vilified for his actions against a (most likely) Republican group of people - the Lacrosse players/families?

Aren't we supposed to be on the side of Democrats when the opposition is conservatives?

[Lex]

21. LOL!

Oh yeah, clearly that's "cheering the hanging of an innocent man . . . "


Nice try, though.

[noamnety]

22. I think I've heard this logic before

Tell me if this sounds familiar:

"It seems after reading so many of the reactions to the Iraq war.......that there are a bunch of people that seem to want this war to be a failure so that the Bush administration would be punished and a big.....SEE, I TOLD YOU SO.
I just feel like there are a lot of folk here want the war to fail."

The logical fallacy, of course, is deliberately interpreting a suspicion or belief as a wish.

"I believe the prisoners at Guantanamo were tortured" is not the same as "I hope the prisoners at Guantanamo were tortured."

Accusing anyone here of hoping that a woman was raped in order to score points in an argument is beyond disgusting, and probably not the best way to endear yourself to the community here.

[mountains539]

23. if........

I believe that there are some people here that want the accused convicted of rape.
I believe that there are some people here that wish the accused were convicted of rape.

I believe that no one here wants a woman to be raped and that is the paradox. people want a change in a system where guilty people are not brought to justice and speak out of anger and can be blinded to the reality of THIS case by that anger.
read my post......i said it seems like people want these guys punished and that creates the paradox.

and no, I dont think that sounds familiar or is even remotely in the ball park of my original post. FOR ME....MY OPINION.....the Iraq War is a failure but that is not the point. The point is, I want the LIES of the Bush administration made front and center public so THEN I can say....I TOLD YOU SO. Bush is not innocent....

your logic is....well, you gave two examples that we know to be true. We already know the war is a failure and we already know that torturing goes on at Guantanamo.......and I want the Bush administration held accountable.

The situation with the Duke case is....we know, per the district attorney, the players are innocent but it SEEMS to me some people here still want there to be some kind of punishment.
that is my interpretation.

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[Rosemary2205]

25. Rich white guys - what's not to hate?

:sarcasm:

[BlooInBloo]

28. It's because DUers are negro-loving race-traitors.

i LOVE this new crop of "people" DU's picked up - they RULE!

:rofl: