Hillary says Iraq problems are all the Iraqis' fault. The crowd booed.

[Robbien]

The media is saying the Liberal crowd booed Clinton because she said "The American military is succeeding". The media propagandists are turning Liberal crowd booing into a hit against the leftie crowd and a hit against Clinton. A twofer lie.

The real shame is Clinton will not get it. She will gloss over the real reason the crowd booed her while she continues on her way blaming Iraqis. The media twofer lie will give her enough cover to continue her blame Iraq lie.

How is she gaining in the polls again?

[xultar]

1. Wrong answer Clinton. I think the polls are fictious. They show W @ 20%

when we know fool well it is close to 7%

[Robbien]

Ha. She may be using RNC pollers. That must be the answer.

Now they are saying she is beating out Edwards in Iowa. I don't get it. Iowa knows better.

Something is really wrong with the polls.

[redqueen]

2. the media has pushed her & obama as the top contenders

since very early

i don't expect the public will start thinking for themselves anytime soon

[Kagemusha]

3. That's probably because they ARE the top contenders

and have been since very early.

Because that's what the public told the media. It's not all one-way, though I can see why some find it convenient to think so.

[redqueen]

7. How can you be the top before most of the public's seen much of anything?

puh-leez

[Kagemusha]

Because the public's even less impressed with the others?

And it's a primary. What % of the American population is part of an organized party, let alone votes in a primary? "Most of the public" has no role in nominations anyway... though that might sound like nitpicking.

[redqueen]

23. most seem to be most impressed by poll numbers

it's a self-fulfilling cycle of BS

[Benhurst]

5. Whatever their merits, I think it's obvious the corporate media

favors them in order to say after the fixed 2008 election that the nation "wasn't ready" for Hillary (her gender) or Barak (his race.)

The fix is in.

[leftchick]

4. how is she gaining? because people are uninformed and LAZY

I can not tell you how many uninformed dems I know personally. They believe what there TVs tell them about the candidates and do no research on any of them. If they have a D with their name they are A okay!

[Madspirit]

6. Not Me

I'm not uninformed or lazy. Other than Kucinich, who has no chance whatsoever, they are all just clones of each other. ...and at least she isn't as bad about pandering to religion as Obama is. Every time Obama mentions religion I have to go to the bathroom and vomit. You couldn't pay me to vote for him because of the number of times he's brought his faith into POLITICAL discussions.

...and yet, they are all better than the Republicans, so....as far as I'm concerned I could just close my eyes and pick at random, (except I would leave Obama out due to his bent-knee problem). As long as it's a Democrat who isn't Obama, it has to be better than what we have now.
Lee

[Raven]

11. As it was explained to me by Obama staffers here in NH, the

empahsis on religion is an effort to take that subject back from the religious right. Does that make any sense?

[mmonk]

16. The same old mistake of playing on the opposition's

home court. When will they learn? I wish candidates would just go state their positions and opinions instead of playing to some group the right leads in all the time. Everybody always sees through those strategeies and they seldom work. Of course it's always the ones the media and the party bosses prop up.

[redqueen]

25. "it's always the ones the media and the party bosses prop up"

quite a coincidence, that

:think:

[leftchick]

14. wow! Now that is very informed!

:sarcasm:

thank you for being my perfect example.


I love this line from Hilary, straight from the RNC, and it isn't her only one. Blaming Iraqis is extremely Right-Wing....

<snip>

"The American military has succeeded," she said midway through her speech. "It is the Iraqi government that has failed." That line has become a standard talking point for politicians of both parties, especially Republicans. But the disingenuousness of the argument didn't sit right at TBA.

http://www.thenation.com/blogs/notion?bid=15

[Madspirit]

21. You're Welcome

Thanks for being a typical knee-jerk responder. I know as much as you know. My conclusions are just different. Thank-you very much.
I see them all as clones. ...and as far as Obama goes, well, we have a Theocrat in the White House. How's that working out for you?
Lee

[Rosemary2205]

27. Obama is a future theocrat?

IMHO all Obama is saying is we can't let the D party be only about atheism because if we do way too many people who consider themselves "christian" are going to move to the right. I think Obama is being realistic in that if we are really going to stop the move against abortion and gay rights then we are going to have to talk to christians from a more moderate and christlike christian perspective. IMHO Obama is just saying there needs to be room for a moderate christian perspective in the Democrat party if we are going to accomplish some of our goals.

IMHO it's VERY unfair to compare Obama to Bush in a religious sense. Just MHO.

[Madspirit]

28. Nope

You can be a Christian and not bring it into the politics. Separation and all...

...and to me, one Theocrat is much like another. You don't have to be an atheist to NOT bring religion where it doesn't belong. ...though I am an atheist. I am willing to vote for a person with faith. They need to keep it in their hearts and their homes and their churches, not in the politics.

You actually couldn't pay me to vote for the man now...in the primaries. I will hold my nose and vote for whomever is the nominee in the general election.

Lee

[karlrschneider]

36. I don't trust Obama on the gay right issue. He's WAY too mealy-mouthed about it.

Not that it really matters, he has no chance of getting nominated.

[JTFrog]

34. It's not the first time she's

said something similar.

In the debates she pretty much said it was the Iraqi's fault for not taking advantage of this opportunity we've given them.

"Now, we can argue about the past, or we can answer the question you asked about the National Guard. Our troops did the job they were asked to do. They got rid of Saddam Hussein. They conducted the search for weapons of mass destruction. They gave the Iraqi people a chance for elections and to have a government. It is the Iraqis who have failed to take advantage of that opportunity."

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0706/03/se.01.html

[leftchick]

38. it is truly dispicable

behaving like a warmongering rightwing neocon. And the media actually refer to her as a Liberal?

:puke:

[orleans]

8. link? (i'm not asking to be a smart ass--i'd like to see what she said,

as i missed hearing about this; if she said that she is really fucking herself--between this and the celine dion song...)

[Robbien]

12. I read it from Dave Johnson's blog. Dave is at the convention

and is blogging the events

http://seeingtheforest.com/

This is not the first time Clinton has been blaming the Iraqis for all the problems. I've heard it several times prior to now.

[Robbien]

17. another link where Clinton blames the Iraqis for the mess

before this convention Clinton was laying the blame for Iraq at the victim's feet

http://www.atlanticfreepress.com/content/view/1735/81/
"I was dismayed on Sunday night, however, when Senator Clinton tried to blame the Iraqis for the current quagmire. If someone invaded the US, dissolved the US army, fired all the capable government bureaucrats, instituted ethnic quota hiring, rounded up thousands of people and tortured them, etc., the people of the US might not respond calmly, either.)"

and there is another link which calls this the Bi-Partisan Blame the Iraqis Gambit
http://www.guampdn.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070613/OPINION02/706130334/1014/OPINION

In the Sunday Post of June 3, "The 'Blame The Iraqis' Gambit," a senior associate at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, neocon Robert Kagan, writes that people who "want to justify the unjustifiable and accept the unacceptable ... try all kinds of ways to make themselves feel better about their decision."

[genie_weenie]

9. I'm getting real nervous the Right is going to be able

to swipe some anti-war votes away in 2008 and retain the Presidency. As the Dems continue to punt on the issue of getting us OUT. OF. IRAQ. NOW!

[lutefisk]

39. I agree. That is a very real possibility.

Strategically, it would be a winning move for Republicans to get Clinton to talk tougher and tougher about Iraq, until she talks herself into a corner. She's vulnerable, imho, to putting herself in a position of becoming hawkish to a point where the Republican candidate will spring a solid plan for getting out of Iraq and Clinton will be trapped by her own pandering words. Just what the hell are her people thinking? Is she really going to win over millions of Republican voters with her tough talk?

The Republican strategists could get her in a position where they could claim a political "checkmate."

[no_hypocrisy]

10. Oh no, she didn't say THAT, did she?

[Robbien]

15. The people attending the Take Back America conference are all saying she did

and from google, I find this is not the first she has been pushing that meme

From the Atlantic Free Press
http://www.atlanticfreepress.com/content/view/1735/81/

"I was dismayed on Sunday night, however, when Senator Clinton tried to blame the Iraqis for the current quagmire. If someone invaded the US, dissolved the US army, fired all the capable government bureaucrats, instituted ethnic quota hiring, rounded up thousands of people and tortured them, etc., the people of the US might not respond calmly, either.)"

[no_hypocrisy]

18. That's like blaming the rape victim for her assault.

[alcibiades_mystery]

13. O would have booed too....this "It's the Iraqis' fault" nonsense has to stop

It's the new approach, developed over the last few months. This is a bit like a rapist blaming his victim for turning to drugs. The US is the rapist here. Period.

[MichiganVote]

19. What media? What liberal crowd? Where is the exact quote? You don't provide any links.

[Robbien]

24. I've provided several links

But go ahead, jump over all the comments to the end and blare out "no links, no nothing . Wah! "

Being nice
Again, here is one link
http://www.seeingtheforest.com/archives/2007/06/right_circulati.htm

[MichiganVote]

30. Excuse me? Its your original post, not mine. People don't generally read an entire string

just to get to a link. Put them in your original post for pete's sake and quit acting like you're somebody's victim. Nobody's picking on you, just want the links to read this for myself.

Jeesch, grow a skin.

[Robbien]

29. Here is a link of the corporate media blaming liberals for booing Hillary

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/17153.html
Clinton booed at liberal gathering

Anti-war activists booed Sen. Hillary Clinton Wednesday as she reached out to the liberal wing of the Democratic Party with a blistering critique of the Bush administration.


No mention in the article at all that the crowd booed her blaming the Iraqis. The whole article ignored that fact completely and incorrectly reported the crowd was not pleased with how Clinton is working to end the war.

[MichiganVote]

31. She said the Bush administration has "a stunning record of secrecy and corruption,

of cronyism run amok." "Our Constitution is being shredded," she said. "It is everything our founders were afraid of."

----------------------

So let me get this straight. Your original post said that she claimed in a speech that the Iraqi's were responsible for their own fate, and that she was booed by liberal Democrats. Yet the link you provide does not include a quote from Clinton pertaining to the Iraqi's, and the article indicates that Clinton was booed by "some" Democrats as opposed to a large number,and the article is unclear what the reason for the boos were.

You know I am undecided on Clinton and that's fine with me but posts such as yours that make claims without backup stike as provocative, not informative. Whatever...

[TexasThoughtCriminal]

20. She sounds like McCain

“The American military has done its job. Look at what they accomplished: they got rid of Saddam Hussein, they gave the Iraqis a chance for free and fair elections…. The American military has succeeded. It is the Iraqi government which has failed to make the tough decisions,” she declared.

<snip>

Jane Dugdale, a retired ESL teacher and self-styled “grandma activist” from Bryn Mawr, Pa. called the decision to invade Iraq “a horrendous, horrible, illegal mistake” and “to try to blame it on a broken country that we broke is a bit hard to take. It shifted the blame where it shouldn’t have been. I guess she wanted to take the focus off the fact that she voted to go in.”

www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19314399/from/RS.2/

If she thinks this is her Sister Souljah moment, she's got another thing coming. The majority of this country is against the occupation.

[Labors of Hercules]

22. Has John Edwards responded yet??

Oh, I can't wait to hear what he says to this! :popcorn:

[mmonk]

26. She says things everyday it seems

that confirms my distaste for her candidacy. No big deal, I guess since I won't vote for her anyway.

[Disturbed]

33. I hope someone asks her to spell out exactly what she means.

How precisely is it the Iraqi Govt's fault that Iraq is still in such horrendous turmoil?

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

32. "(S)he reminds one of the man who murdered both his parents, and then pleaded

for mercy on the grounds that he was an orphan.” - Abraham Lincoln

[IChing]

37. Yep....she is a top down type candidate.

I think her statement was calculated to triangulate her Rupert Murdoch base of listeners and supporters
who buy into this crap about blaming the victim.

[karlrschneider]

35. I'm rapidly losing my like for HRC.

grrr...