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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-20-07 09:58 PM
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Bush Legal Official: "Not EVERYTHING We've Done Has Been Illegal"
Edited on Wed Jun-20-07 10:01 PM by kpete
Imperial presidency declared null and void

Bush may ignore the 4th Circuit's stinging rebuke of his war paradigm. But his policies are losing the cloak of legality.


By Sidney Blumenthal

June 21, 2007 | In private, Bush administration sub-Cabinet officials who have been instrumental in formulating and sustaining the legal "war paradigm" acknowledge that their efforts to create a system for detainees separate from due process, criminal justice and law enforcement have failed. One of the key framers of the war paradigm (in which the president in his wartime capacity as commander in chief makes and enforces laws as he sees fit, overriding the constitutional system of checks and balances), who a year ago was arguing vehemently for pushing its boundaries, confesses that he has abandoned his belief in the whole doctrine, though he refuses to say so publicly. If he were to speak up, given his seminal role in formulating the policy and his stature among the Federalist Society cadres that run it, his rejection would have a shattering impact, far more than political philosopher Francis Fukuyama's denunciation of the neoconservatism he formerly embraced. But this figure remains careful to disclose his disillusionment with his own handiwork only in off-the-record conversations. Yet another Bush legal official, even now at the commanding heights of power, admits that the administration's policies are largely discredited. In its defense, he says without a hint of irony or sarcasm, "Not everything we've done has been illegal." He adds, "Not everything has been ultra vires" -- a legal term referring to actions beyond the law.

............

On June 11, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 4th Circuit, the most conservative in the country, issued a decision striking at the heart of Bush's conception of the presidency. In al-Marri v. Wright, the court ruled that Ali Saleh Kahlah al-Marri, a resident of Qatar, arrested as a student at Bradley University in the United States, accused of aiding al-Qaida, could not be held in indefinite detention as an "enemy combatant" and must be remanded to the civilian criminal court system. (Al-Marri, in an affidavit, claimed to have been tortured.) The decision acknowledged that al-Marri might have committed serious crimes. But the government's assertion that the president has "inherent constitutional authority," rooted in his "war-making powers," is a "breathtaking claim" contrary to U.S. constitutional law and history.

"The President," the court said, "claims power that far exceeds that granted him by the Constitution." This extraordinary decision, citing the Framers, declared Bush's actions -- and his imperial presidency -- null and void. It is worth quoting at some length:

Put simply, the Constitution does not allow the President to order the military to seize civilians residing within the United States and detain them indefinitely without criminal process, and this is so even if he calls them "enemy combatants" ... Of course, this does not mean that the President lacks power to protect our national interests and defend our people, only that in doing so he must abide by the Constitution. We understand and do not in any way minimize the grave threat international terrorism poses to our country and our national security ... The Court has specifically cautioned against "breaking) faith with this Nation's tradition" -- "firmly embodied in the Constitution" -- "of keeping military power subservient to civilian authority." Reid, 354 U.S. at 40. When the Court wrote these words in 1957, it explained that "the country had remained true to that faith for almost one hundred seventy years." Id. Another half century has passed but the necessity of "remaining true to that faith" remains as important today as it was at our founding.

more at:
http://www.salon.com/opinion/blumenthal/2007/06/21/bush_torture/
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kurth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-20-07 10:05 PM
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1. Yep, only 99.9%
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-20-07 11:02 PM
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13. Dollars to donuts he even crank called people on the Do Not Call list.
Just because he could get a copy of it.
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The Count Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-20-07 10:05 PM
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2. Famous last words - and my new signature
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-20-07 10:08 PM
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3. Goodness, if they've done something legal, PLEASE TELL US!
Now is the time.
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Az Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-20-07 10:09 PM
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4. Ok so we beat, tortured, and incarcerated without trial. But at least we fed them
Sigh. We used to be an ok nation. Now we are the bad guys.
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jimshoes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-20-07 10:19 PM
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5. The adults have been very
naughty it seems. Some jail time is in order, yes?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-20-07 10:20 PM
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6. Oh, no
:rofl:
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-20-07 10:24 PM
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7. Yeah, and Hitler gave us the VW. That's nice too isn't it!
Pretty much everyone on earth at one time *wasn't* breaking the law. This BS says NOTHING and excuses NOTHING that he HAS done illegally!
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-20-07 10:34 PM
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8. Actually, he's right. Not everything they've done has been illegal.
For example, there was the time they...well, no, I guess that was illegal...But what about the time they...naah, that was illegal too...Then again, at least they didn't...oh, yeah, you're right, they did...oh dear. Well, it wasn't illegal when they...Really? I guess it was, then. OK. But how about back when they...Damn, that was illegal too.

Give me a little more time, OK? I'll come up with something. :shrug:
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-20-07 10:40 PM
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9. There was this one time...
No, wait. Come to think of it, the boy was underage at the time.
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Morgana LaFey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-20-07 10:48 PM
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10. Just as I feared
The law itself is immaterial to Bush; nor is he paying any attention to the 4th Circuit. Further, Congress obvioiusly isn't going to hold him accountable or even rein in his power. So who/what remains who will?

We are -- and have been -- in big trouble, folks.
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 07:38 AM
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21. The irony is...
In the 4th circuit, a majority of the judges have been appointed by Republican presidents! (which is true of every circuit court, save the 9th)

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Morgana LaFey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 04:41 PM
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28. I know -- it's THE most conservative court, isn't it?
But at least we can say this: thank God even the conservatives are waking up or turning on him.
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-20-07 10:55 PM
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11. it was always a joke, especially given the "war"
there are at least two different kinds of war: (a) overseas wars of choice and (b) wars on home soil to defend the country proper.

there is an argument to be made that, during type (b) wars, the constitution might not rise to the occassion and it might be necessary to have additional powers our of the need for survival.

however, it is ridiculous to use the type (b) survival argument and apply it to type (a) wars. the constitution would to just fine, even in this case, if only the people involved did their jobs. if anything, MORE checks and balances are needed, not less.

their argument always had a loophope in it that any president could commit a tiny amount of troops in a tiny irrelevant war and then use the "war-time president" status to gain real powers and apply them elsewhere.

but then, this is what the banana republicans DO....
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 07:44 AM
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22. The Constitution
Says a hell of a lot more about Congress in war-time than it does the president!

Let's Compare:
The president:
Section 2.

The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States

Congress:
Section 8. The Congress shall have power to...

To define and punish piracies and felonies committed on the high seas, and offenses against the law of nations;

To declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water;

To raise and support armies, but no appropriation of money to that use shall be for a longer term than two years;

To provide and maintain a navy;

To make rules for the government and regulation of the land and naval forces;

To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively, the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive legislation in all cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten miles square) as may, by cession of particular states, and the acceptance of Congress, become the seat of the government of the United States, and to exercise like authority over all places purchased by the consent of the legislature of the state in which the same shall be, for the erection of forts, magazines, arsenals, dockyards, and other needful buildings;--And

To make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.articlei.html
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-20-07 11:01 PM
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12. I keep thinking with the end of constitutionally legal rule,
will a new political force rise up in America?
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-20-07 11:03 PM
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14. I'll need proof of that, please.
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Decruiter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-20-07 11:26 PM
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15. Oh, okay, "NOT EVERYTHING", just "SOME THINGS"? Well all righty then.
NOT EVERYTHING!!!

It seems to be a lot like what Will Pitt wrote about last night. None of us need worry any more about "breaking the law", hey everyone, we are just going to "ignore" laws. What an incredible amount of freedom Bush and his maladministration have given us all.

Boggles the mind, doesn't it?
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Phredicles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-20-07 11:44 PM
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16. And that's a lie, too.
Sometimes I wonder if maybe, just maybe, the reason impeachment is not happening is that it's just taking this long to write up all the impeachable shit they've done...?:shrug:
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-20-07 11:52 PM
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17. Good Lord, what an understatement.
Edited on Wed Jun-20-07 11:52 PM by calimary
Isn't that an actionable statement? Doesn't that constitute admission of criminal activities? You know, activities that are CRIMES???
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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 07:22 AM
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19. visualizing impeachment
yes!
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Lisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-20-07 11:58 PM
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18. understatements make such great bumper stickers, don't they! (n/t)
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 07:33 AM
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20. Not everything we've done has been illegal.
That's one hell of a confession of illegality. We have long known that.
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DIKB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 08:16 AM
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23. The first thing I thought of
"We haven't raped THOUSANDS of women, merely Hundreds."

The key words of his statement were "not everything" meaning they have done many illegal acts. If you have to use an absolute statement like that, it means you guys stink to high heaven, they're rotten and they KNOW IT !!!
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Bravo Zulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 03:48 PM
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24. "The illegal we do immediately. The unconstitutional takes a little longer."
Henry Kissinger
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 04:24 PM
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25. so "not everything" is the standard, now??!!! geezus!
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 04:26 PM
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26. .....................
Edited on Thu Jun-21-07 04:27 PM by spanone
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 04:31 PM
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27. "Im not a crook." revisited?
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 05:38 PM
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29. "Without a hint of irony or sarcasm," he sez, sez he. Take these guys down, please. nt
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dkofos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 05:40 PM
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30. The men still piss in the men's room!!
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 05:49 PM
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31. and where o where is the GOP Media Establishment....shhhhhhhh, sleeping
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Beartracks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-21-07 09:32 PM
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32. Don't worry -- we have a Libera Media!
It's well-established that the MSM is anti-conservative! They'll run with this story, dig deeper, find the truth, wrest confessions, force resignations, and restore honor and dignity to our nation!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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