Oh God Nader is thinking about running again; Calls Clinton a Coward

[Perky]

Go Away Ralph. Please go away. Haven't you done enought damage to the world already??????

:banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:
Nader ponders run, calls Clinton 'coward'

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0607/4580.html

By: Roger Simon
Jun 21, 2007 04:52 AM EST



Ralph Nader says he is seriously considering running for president in 2008 because he foresees another Tweedledum-Tweedledee election that offers little real choice to voters.

"You know the two parties are still converging -- they don't even debate the military budget anymore," Nader said in a 30-minute interview. "I really think there needs to be more competition from outside the two parties."

Even the possible entry of New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg into the race as an independent might not dissuade Nader.

snip

While Nader praised two candidates who have almost no chance of winning their party's nomination -- Republican Ron Paul and Democrat Mike Gravel -- he was severe in his criticism of Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton.

"She is a political coward," Nader said. "She goes around pandering to powerful interest groups on the one hand and flattering general audiences on the other. She doesn't even have the minimal political fortitude of her husband."

[BOSSHOG]

1. Great to know that ralph thinks he's a real choice

I think it is fair to now question his mental acumen. You are not my choice ralph, never was, never will be. Thanks for your service to consumers, now retire.

[DefenseLawyer]

5. Ready to feed at the right wing money trough once again

Ralph knows he can sucker a few more rich Republicans to pony up for his campaign just like he did in 04.

[B Calm]

115. I'd bet he's already getting money from them...

[Red Zelda]

2. Don't worry

ANYONE who votes for Nader now would have otherwise voted for some other stooge anyway.

[Rydz777]

23. I think you're right. He'd just subtract votes from Bloomberg. eom

[Buns_of_Fire]

3. Getcher front row seats right here!

:popcorn:

[asthmaticeog]

4. Though I agree with him about Senator Clinton, I really wish he'd stop running.

If he wants to punish centrist Dems for betraying liberal principles, I'm all for him trying, but he needs to find a way to do it that doesn't also punish the whole fucking WORLD.

[Dr.Phool]

6. Run for the Senate as a Dem Ralph.

You might win, and you'll have a real soap box.

[Perky]

8. From Utah ....maybe

TRhe guy should be a pariah in any blue state.

[L. Coyote]

59. Move to Oregon first, and register Republican. Enter the primary against Smith.

[Pushed To The Left]

112. I agree! I think that would be a much more positive way for him

to move the Democratic Party to the left. If he had done that in 2000 instead of splitting the progressive vote, he might be in Congress right now and we may have avoided 8 years of Bush, a right-wing Supreme Court and the whole Iraq debacle.

[mattclearing]

117. Haha...right. Because everyone hears what senators say.

Nader doesn't want to govern...he just wants to stand up every four years and remind everyone how much everything sucks now. He's the political equivalent of the guy who thinks rock'n'roll died with Elvis.

He's a great activist, though, and he's right about a lot of things. Unfortunately his vanity candidacies are a total waste of time and votes.

[ThomWV]

7. He Can't Hurt Anything This Time - so fuck the old idiot.

And by the way, the Corvair wasn't a bad car at all.

[Perky]

10. bullshite

I don't care how disaffect Den vioters may be a vote for Nader is a vote for the repuke nominees.


We need to gain two votes for every one he siophons off....He is a egomaniacal bloodsucker. He is the politcal equivalent of the Bubonic plague

[L. Coyote]

61. Rs need to raise $2 for every $1 the contribute to Nader. EASY enough.

[papau]

9. What is the over/under on the amount of money Ralph will take from the GOP this time? n/t

n/t

[blondeatlast]

27. I doubt that the RNC even sees him as an effective tool anymore.

He's a laughing stock at this point.

[sellitman]

11. Betcha there are people HERE on DU who will vote for him again.

I'm for rounding them up and throwing their butts off the site for good.

[blondeatlast]

18. There's already one who's stated specifically he's voting for Ron Paul.

He's still here; only the post where he said it is gone. Hmph.

[Hubert Flottz]

12. Lieberman Nader 2008?

Sounds about right to me!

[opihimoimoi]

126. They would get 2 votes....?

[lapfog_1]

13. Gee, Ralph... you sure are right about there not being a

difference between Democrats and Repukes...

Nope... no difference between George W. Bush and Al Gore. None at all.

:sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm:
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:sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm:
:sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm:
:sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm:

[western mass]

14. Here's a clue for Hillary...

A little triangulation to the LEFT and nobody will give a damn about Nader.

[BurtWorm]

19. Amen, western mass!

:toast:

[GreenPartyVoter]

84. She tries to please everyone BUT the left. Pander a little over this way please.

[whistle]

15. Is Ralph Nader even able to think any more? How many strokes has this guy had?

...It has been three or four at least.

[jpgray]

16. He sees another "Tweedledum-Tweedledee" election?

Someone take away his fucking Lewis Carrol books and feed him to the Jabberwocky. Can he still believe his own cant that there were no differences between Bush and Gore?

[Tesha]

17. Clinton *IS* a coward; why is stating the truth about that a problem?

Clinton *IS* a coward; why is stating the obvious
truth about that a problem?

On the eve of the vote to authorize Bush to blow
the shit out of Iraq, Clinton, like so many other
Democrats, made a crassly political analysis: She
could do the right thing and withhold authority
from Bush, but that would cause her to face tre-
mendous political fire for her actions. Or she
could take the politically easy course, vote
with Bush, and hope that somehow the war would
turn out okay.

So she voted with Bush.

Unfortunately, the war has not turned out okay,
so now she's stuck trying to explain why she took
the politically expedient course.

The alternative explanation, of course, is that
she was ignorant and stupid, completely unaware
of all of the facts that argued *AGAINST* letting
Bush blow the shit put of Iraq.

Which explanation would you prefer? That she's
a political coward or that she's ignorant and
stupid?

Tesha

[shimmergal]

66. There IS another explanation...

backed up by "insider" information from O'Neill, Clarke, and others.

Bush/Cheney were determined to have a war in Iraq regardless of Congressional support or non-support..

Yes, I wish Clinton and many other Senators had voted against the IWR; it would have been nice to have a majority's disapproval on the record.

But I think * would have gone in anyway. Certainly it wouldn't have been the first post-WWII military action taken without Congressional approval. As for that "only Congress has the power to declare war" provision of the Constitution--to my knowledge, that hasn't been honored at all since the 1940s.

I'm not a supporter of Hillary for President at this point, and I wish she'd admit her error on this vote. But in actual fact, the blame for the Iraq mess lies squarely on Bush, Cheney, and the neo-cons.

[KharmaTrain]

20. He's Becoming Harold Stassen...

Ralph's gonna have a problem if he wants to play "kingmaker" or whatever game he's into next year. Be assured there will be other third party candidates...many sucking the cash from the funders of his '04 venture...and his usefulness to the Repugnicans will be nil.

[Perky]

31. Actually I have a theory about fundraising this cycle

Because of this mega-tuesday fiasco, it is highly likely that no one will be the presumptive winner on 2/6 and there will not be enough delgates left to secure the nomination given the remaining states so the nominees will likely be pickeed at the conventions.

But the conventions are late this cycle both are aroun labor day. The longer period was mean to give the presumptive nominees more time to bulk up their war ches prior to the coronation.

Wit his this cycle maybe three candidates are going to be in the hung after 2/5 so it is going to be a mad rush and preetycut throat to get cash and delegates before the convention. So the good news is that Nader is not going to find a wole lot of upport or money prior to Labor day.


Hopefully by then it will be too late. and he won't have the money to get on the ballot.

[KharmaTrain]

41. Never Underestimate The Uncommitted Delegates

Many don't realize that a certain number of delegates at the party convention are saved for party members...the aparachnik that generally fall in behind the nominee as by the time the convention rolls around the vote has been long pre-determined. In '68, '72 and '76 there were credential fights that almost threw the convention up for grabs and under your scenarios, the power brokers could be in the position to go into the "smoke-filled" room. Howeever I don't see that happening with the Democrats.

I'm all but certain either Hillary or Edwards or Obama will come through the primary process with a large number of delegates that will avoid any floor fights or horsetrading in Denver. However, the same can't be said of the Repugnicans. No matter who is selected, some faction is gonna be major pissed. I can see Rudy McRomney Thompson spliting the primaries with the winner in the low 20's...and their "at large" delegates will be spread all over the place. Vince McMahon may be needed to produce the Convention.

Nader's odd man out on both sides. He served the Repugnicans nicely in '00 and '04...and surely got money from those who saw his candidacy as a rear guard attack on Gore and Kerry...but those players have other priorities next year. Without that cash, Ralph becomes a sidenote.

[Perky]

48. I hope you are right about the Dems but

If Hillary sqeaks through in Iowa she will not bee seen as presumptive and the anti-hillary vote will be stirred tremendously in the next 4 tilts.

Edwars wins in Nevada
NewHampshire is inconclusive
Obam surges in South Carolina
and Florida give Richardson a respectable 20%

No one has momentum going into Tsunami Tuedsay.

It will likely mean that nothing is resolved by then and there are not enough delegtes left to capture the nomination outright.

[Marr]

21. Maybe it'll encourage Dem candidates not to ignore the base.

They're treating the base more and more as if it's just granted they'll turn out with support. If anything's going to shut down that DLC "who else you gonna vote for?" attitude, it's a third candidate.

[Perky]

24. Who the Hell is ignoring the base right now?

ON WHAT ISSUE?

[Tesha]

29. Everybody, re: war, impeachment, health care...

> Who the Hell is ignoring the base right now?
>
> ON WHAT ISSUE?

Everybody, re: war, impeachment, health care, jobs, world trade...

Tesha

[Marr]

33. You serious?

Pick anything at random.

The candidates are part of the party, and the Democratic Congress is ignoring the base in a big way, in my humble opinion. Of course the *candidates* are speaking directly the base right now- the campaign season is just gearing up. But talk is extremely cheap, especially at this stage, and the actual action I see coming out of the Democratic Congress leaves alot to be desired.

I don't see anything inaccurate about his comments on Hillary, by the way. She's another triangulating, DLC blowhard. She says whatever she needs to say to the public, but her actual service seems to devoted to her corporate sponsors.

[Perky]

Wow

We have all the candidates proposing Health care reform
All the candidates saying we need to get out of Iraq. Hell Bill aRichardson saying we need to pull All the troops out immediately.

[riverdale]

57. In the words of John McEnroe, "You cannot be serious!"

In addition to what others have said, as an atheist, I'd like to hear someone pander to me for once.

[Perky]

38. dupe delete

[Vidar]

55. Everyone but Kucinich & , to some extent, Richardson.

[Perky]

63. The "base" is not the same as "liberal activist"

It is also comoprised of nominally pliitcal aftrican Americans, someewhat cosnervative union households. anout 25% of southern whites, half of soccer moms. Yuppies, DINKS, Retirees...... the list goes on and on and on and on.


In the Democratic party on any give issues there are multiple positions within the base, Suck it up.

[Tesha]

86. And Nader has a right to run; suck it up.

> In the Democratic party on any give issues there are
> multiple positions within the base, Suck it up.

And Nader has the right to run and many of his
criticisms are completely valid; suck it up.

Tesha

[Perky]

96. I never suggested that he did not have the right to run

but anyone on this board who supports his candidacy needs to get a clue. There is simply too much at stake with this election to vote for chronic whiners

[Tesha]

103. Have you noticed how there's always "too much at stake"...

> There is simply too much at stake with this election
> to vote for chronic whiners

Have you noticed how there's always "too much at stake"
for the left to ever get *A SINGLE ITEM* that we all
agree should be basic parts of a complete package of
human rights? Health care? No, too much at stake.
Equal rights for women? No, too much at stake. Gay
rights (let alone gay marriage)? Too much at stake.
World peace, or at least reduced American belligerence?
You guessed it -- too much at stake.

Well, I'm starting to think that there's too much at
stake to keep running the same old lame strategy that
the mainstream dim bulbs are calling for.

Tesha

[Warren DeMontague]

106. Frankly, I think there's TOO MUCH AT STAKE to let the conventional wisdom pinheads and DLC geeks

keep running our party into a ditch (and losing us big elections in the process) with uninspiring, weak, republican-lite pablum.

[Perky]

111. The problem is not with the presidency...It is with the congress.

To get the things we want it has to start with a firm majority.

Our system is not perfect but the president has to bend to many different constituencies . House members have much smaller constiuencies and heve the ability to push legislation that a presdent can't.

[Tesha]

113. Strangely enough, the Republicans often get what they want...

> The problem is not with the presidency...It is with the congress.
>
> To get the things we want it has to start with a firm majority.

Strangely enough, the Republicans often get what they want
with a slim majority or even when they are in the minority.
I wonder why that is?

Tesha

[Perky]

119. They have historically done a very good job at keeping their

critters in line.. They are driven by overarching ideology while the Dems are driven in different directions on indicidual issues. Its a bit like herding kittens as opposed to herding sheep.

[Warren DeMontague]

77. While I think Nader's an asshole, I agree that our party pooh-bahs are avoiding taking any brave

stands - and yes, ignoring the base.

After all, (short of Kooch) WHO is:

Standing up for a Single Payer Health Care system?
Standing up for a liveable minimum wage?
Calling for the re-institution of our civil liberties, respect for the constitution and bill of rights, calling for an end to the idiotic, pointless, wasteful and ridiculously expensive drug war?
Calling for the paring back of our half trillion a year military-industrial complex to something sane?
Bravely standing up for a woman's right to choose, instead of engaging in mealy-mouthed pandering designed to "woo the values voter"?
Calling for fact-based sex ed in schools, including contraceptive availability, instead of engaging in mealy-mouthed pandering designed to "woo the values voter"?
Calling for fact-based SCIENCE teaching in public school SCIENCE classes, instead of engaging in mealy-mouthed pandering designed to "woo the values voter"?
Bravely standing up for the separation of church and state, instead of engaging in mealy-mouthed pandering designed to "woo the values voter"?
Bravely standing up for the right of the terminally ill to an pain-free exit of their own choosing, and the right of pain patients to palliative care, and the right of everyone to make their own medical decisions- instead of engaging in mealy-mouthed pandering designed to "woo the values voter"?
Bravely and unapolgetically standing up for the rights of our gay and lesbian friends and relatives to full civil rights, including the right to marry- instead of engaging in mealy-mouthed pandering designed to "woo the values voter"?



The truth of the matter is, many in our party ARE ignoring the base. That won't make me vote for Nader in the general (fuck that guy), but barring Al Gore's increasingly likely entry into the race :woohoo: it may very well make me vote for Kucinich in the Primary.

[Tesha]

87. Please do.

> it may very well make me vote for Kucinich in the Primary.

Please do. If there's ever a time to vote your hopes
and not your fears, it's during the primaries and it's
really essential that we send a message to the DNC/DLC
that the left doesn't have endless patience for pablum.

Tesha

[Warren DeMontague]

102. Agreed. I've had it with them giving me NOTHING to get excited about.

I'll be excited for Al Gore. I was thinking Edwards was making the right noises, but he lost me with that "No, gays shouldn't have the right to get married" answer. As it stands now, I'm voting for Kucinich. I'm not thrilled with him, but at least he's on the right side of a whole bunch of issues.

[philosophie_en_rose]

129. Nader voters are not the base.

People that throw their votes away on Nader are not the base of the Democratic party. They aren't even Democrats. They're morans.

[ordinaryaveragegirl]

22. Ralphie just never learns, does he? n/t

[SammyWinstonJack]

52. Kinda hard too do when one is as full of himself, as ralphie is.

:shrug:

[ordinaryaveragegirl]

118. So true...

Even some of his followers have seen the light in recent years. He reminds me of * in a way - it's that common trait of each caring more about their own agenda than the people who might be affected by it.

[mmonk]

25. This was bound to happen

once Congress decided to take the tact it has and make the grassroots angry. Opportunists like Nader seize such moments. I'm really frightened about 08. We really really really can't afford a republican presidency again at this time as they have reached a point of lunacy.

[yy4me]

26. Go home Ralph, plant a garden, paint your house, anything but

mess up things again. If not for you, the world would be a far different place today. You have ruined any good you did years ago by interjecting yourself into the last election. There are now 5,545 reasons you should stay home.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

28. He Is Such A Worthless Piece Of Shit. What The Fuck Is His Malfunction? Fucking Selfish Ignoramus.

God I loathe him. He's so fucking simple minded and narcissistic. I can only hope that people will have woken up from their stupidity last time and will realize how moronic and possibly dangerous it could be to vote for that fucker again this time around.

What an asshole.

[Tesha]

30. Probably just expects some actual "output" from a Democratic Congress.

Probably just expects some actual "output" from a
Democratic Congress on all the issues they claimed to
actually care about.

How rude of him, ehh?

How "fucking simple minded and narcissistic", ehh?

Tesha

[Perky]

34. Well then he ought to run for Congress

The Presidenency does donot control what the Cobgress does.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

35. Probably Not. He's Probably Just A Simple Minded Egotistical Narcissistic Ignorant Deceitful Jackass

[Tesha]

37. Like all other modern politicians?

> Probably Not. He's Probably Just A Simple Minded Egotistical Narcissistic Ignorant Deceitful Jackass

Like all other modern politicians?

Tesha

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

40. Nope. He's Far Worse. I Just Have To Have Faith That People Won't Be Stupid Enough To Vote For Him

this time around.

[Beelzebud]

65. Didn't you get the memo? We must blindly support Democrats no matter what!

Afterall, the reason this country is so fantastic right now, and a beacon of freedom to the world, is because the Republicans blindly followed their leadership.

[sellitman]

93. The memo?

Have you been reading the "memo" of the past 6 1/2 years?

Well thats ok....the Dem's are just as bad as the Republicans right?

BULLSHIT!

There was and is a HUGE difference but King Ralph and his holy followers are just too blind to figure that out.

[Tesha]

104. Another important difference between the Dems and the Repubs...

Another important difference between the Democrats
and the Republicans is that the Republicans know
how to run a successful filibuster and the Democrats
don't (and both claims have been proven over and
over and over again now).

Which is how we ended up with the Roberts Court
(assisted by Samuel Alito) making the important
decisions about your rights as interpreted by
John Ashcroft and, now, Alberto Gonzalez.

Tesha

[Scout]

80. you and I have disagreed in the past....

but I'm right there with ya' on this one! :)

[Starbucks Anarchist]

32. I hope Ralph runs into a Corvair.

[Perky]

36. Now that is just mean

I hope he lives a long life and dies peacefully in his sleep surrounded by his family and cherished memories of his childhood.....(tomorrow)

[Starbucks Anarchist]

43. HA!

:rofl:

[Name removed]

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[theNotoriousP.I.G.]

42. Here we go again.

The bastard. :mad:

[trogdor]

44. Not even good comic relief this time around.

He's four years older, and if you think indies lose more than half their support the second time around, wait until Ralphie goes for the hat trick. Don't worry about it. It's no big deal.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

45. Good! The more choices the better in a democracy.

I'm not particularly a Nader fan, and I think the Greens could do better, but the more choices the voters have the better able they are to express their desires for themselves and their country.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

46. nader needs to grow up as do his voters

[Beelzebud]

64. Yes, or the adults will take their ball and go home!

[La Lioness Priyanka]

67. yes, they will and all of a sudden we will be bombing iran

while unable to sustain our economy

[Hubert Flottz]

47. Deport Ralph back to Iran!

Before it's too late...I think he's a sleeper cell.

[opihimoimoi]

114. Didn't this Attention Whore crawl und a large rock years ago? Who said he could leave?

Ralph has no issues other than getting some attention every 4 years...

He is Passe....

[Hubert Flottz]

120. Yes a good Question...Where has Ralph been for the past 7 years?

When has he come out from hiding and spoken up about bush's many evil deeds. Ralph must approve of the shit Bush and Cheney have been up to.

[opihimoimoi]

122. He most likely getting Training on How to be a PUB Agent Man...

Other than that....hiding in a cesspool.....

[Hubert Flottz]

123. The perfect place for a turd like Ralph Mouth to hide out!

[opihimoimoi]

125. They even named PUKE after him...if ya hadn't noticed....

:puke:

[Hubert Flottz]

127. LOLLOL...Dats a keeper my friend!

Raaaaaaalph where'd you park that Buuuuuuuuuuick! I've heard Ralph's name many times in that very context! Hell, I've even used it myself in the same context.

Somebody hold my hair I think I'm Going to Raaaaaalph...if the Ralph "runs" again.

[opihimoimoi]

128. "STOP>>>>Lemme outta the fuckin car now...I'm gonna RALPHHHHHHH"

:puke:

Glad I gave you a chuckle or two.....

Come, we go drink....LOL

[Hubert Flottz]

130. Old Gobs Of Green RALLLLLLLLLLLLLLPH!

Why do you think RALLLLLLLLLLLPH went green? :puke:

[opihimoimoi]

131. EEEEWWWW wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

:ralph: Greeeeeen...Oh My Eyes.....EWwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

[Norquist Nemesis]

49. "She goes around pandering"--Sure, Ralph. And you only tell the truth!

I'm going to be sick.

[mainegreen]

50. With what party?

The greens really are not very interested in fielding federal candidates. School board and city council really is more our thing.

[oldgrowth]

51. poor ralphie

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

53. Great, with Nader and Bloomberg running,

the repubs have a lock on the white house.

screwn again.

[Gabi Hayes]

56. a choice, not an echo

[AngryOldDem]

54. He just can't help himself, can he?

God...

Memo to Ralph: Please. Just. Go. Away. PLEASE.

[BikeWriter]

58. Fuck that loser and the horse he rode in on.

[Nikki Stone1]

60. Can't he just go on "Dancing with the Stars" like other washed-up has-beens?

He could dance with Jerry Springer.

[Beelzebud]

62. Nader wouldn't be a threat if the Democrats give us a REASON to vote for them.

[RedCappedBandit]

69. Agreed! Thank You! n.t

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

78. Tell Me One Legitimate Reason To Vote For Nader Then. Ready, Set, GO!

[RedCappedBandit]

68. Uh, he's right

and why the hell do so many DUers seem to think the democratic party is entitled to the votes of people who don't support their candidates?

[La Lioness Priyanka]

70. because this is the DEMOCRATIC underground and not the green party underground

[RogueSpirit]

71. Given, but...

The Democratic Party seems to be moving away from the progressive base. At what point does one consider the party to be more important than the values that the party used to represent? It honestly seems that they are leaving us, we aren't leaving them.

[RedCappedBandit]

72. Exactly

Democratic Underground.

Democracy is about having your individual voices heard in your government.

What does this have to do with partisanship?

Should certain progressives not be permitted to join this community simply because they support different candidates?


Besides, what does your response have to do with my original question?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

82. They Can Join, But They Can't Openly Support Or Advocate For The Election Of Other Party Candidates.

Per the DU rules, DU welcomes progressives of all stripes here. But when it comes to openly supporting or advocating the election of specific candidates, you are expected to support the election of the Democrat here; period. I hope you understand the distinction.

[Beelzebud]

89. It's the Democratic UNDERGROUND, not the Democratic mainstream.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

90. openly advocating for third party candidates ala nader is against the rules.

also if you must be stupid expect people to call you on it

[dogday]

73. Last I checked this is America and he is free to

do what he wants... What I want and think, bears no weight in this matter as the Constitution is specific in saying we can form individual parties.... I don't think it will matter, but I think that he has it right about Clinton....

[Forkboy]

74. Politico throws a bone and the dogs come running.

Too funny.

[benny05]

81. You got that right

But if Nader is going to run, he needs to do it in the Dem Primaries (or Republican) and be an honest broker about this run.

[Warren DeMontague]

75. Maybe he's still got some of that money left over that he took from Republicans in 2004.

Asshole.

[mdmc]

76. Just pick the best from the corporate party and be done with it

We don't need no reform let the mfer burn!

Whoever is the next pres will be better then Bush.
Might be a world better (like Kucinich).
Might be a little better (like McCain).
Either way, I think Hillary Clinton will win, running in a two way race or in a three way race.

God Bless Ralph Nader for allowing for an anti-corporate choice. Don't worry DU, Hilldog will beat Nader and the GOP.

[Scout]

79. if Ralph would bother to do one fucking thing to create/grow/energize

a third party in between elections, he might have some credibility. But this kind of behavior is BULLSHIT!

Ralph is a conceited, self-centered ass nowadays.

[GreenPartyVoter]

83. So he called her wishy-washy. Who hasn't?

[proud patriot]

85. Why hasn't he been fighting the pukes for the last 7 yrs ?

Look I was Green ... I voted for Nader in 1996 ...

I have not since and here is why ...

Nader only shows up at election time ..

He hasn't been at the protests , He hasn't
been a part of this battle for the heart and
soul of America . I don't trust his intentions
any longer .

What possibly could be his motive for only
showing up at election time ?

I used to respect Nader .. no more..

peace
proud patriot

[blondeatlast]

92. "Nader only shows up at election time .." BINGO!

That is precisely why I've lost any respect for him whatsoever.

Speak out when it matters, Ralphie. :mad:

[WinkyDink]

88. Is Nader capable of criticizing only Democrats? Where are his speeches of the last 6 years about

Bush and Iraq?

And here we have a WOMAN who is, for the first time in history, a viable candidate for President, and Nader calls her a "coward"?

What of Romney? MCCAIN? Thompson?

Don't get me started.

[sellitman]

94. Nader is a right wing shill.

All those misguided fools here who thing anything otherwise about King Ralph don't belong on this site.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

108. Yup.

[Kerrytravelers]

91. No one is having popcorn yet?

:popcorn:

[Raven]

95. TRUE STORY. My father sat next to Nader on a plane to DC and

said he would never vote for the man because "he picked his nose and stole my newspaper". Honest to God truth.

[blondeatlast]

99. *snort* Fortunately, I'd just put down my soda when I read that. LOL! nt

[waiting for hope]

107. Did he eat it or did he just do

a casual flick?

Sorry - I just had to ask....you just can't pick your nose and not tell how it ended!

[DFW]

97. Blondeatlast gets the brass ring!

You noticed, I see. Six and a half years of Bush & Co. doing
a wrecking crew imitation on our country, and the only thing
Ralph can do is shut his trap until election time and trot out
his tired line "there is no difference...."

Why can't he age gracefully like Jimmy Carter?

Like Billy Joel sang, "Don't you know that when the truth is told,
You can get what you want or you can just get old...."

[blondeatlast]

98. Proud Patriot said it in the post above mine. I just quoted her. nt

[DFW]

100. Oops, I missed that (11:15 PM here). My apologies! n/t

[Politicub]

101. Is he in league with Bushco or what?

He suddenly comes out of the woodwork and appears to want to be a spoiler who will siphon off votes from the dems. Everyone has a right to run for president on their own terms, but let's get real. If Ralph really cared about doing anything good for Americans (yes, I know he did a great deal of good earlier in his public life), he should focus on that.

If he follows the model that Al Gore has provided, people would be more interested in him for what he's accomplishing TODAY - not as some attention whore whose best days were behind him.

Seriously - does the man do anything more but bloviate about how the parties aren't different? Any thinking person knows that there's a tremendous amount of difference between the parties, and anyone who doesn't see that is either a moran or lying.

[HardRocker05]

105. have the dems done anything to seriously address nader's issues? no. but they want his votes. it's d

deja vue all over again. the dems had better learn that they are actualy going to have to win votes at some point, not just count on the repukes to completely blow it.

[Perky]

109. WHta has Nader done about his issues????

If he was sooooo concerned he would run for Congress or dog catcher or somethinng.

[Sparkly]

110. "Nader's Issues?" Nader has issues??

Nader doesn't have -- oh, wait....

[B Calm]

116. The only issues Nader has is collecting money from rich republicans!

[depakid]

132. Sure they have- they've sold progressives out again and again and again

and it looks like the "leadership" intends to keep on doing so.

Not the brightest bunch, to say the least....

Nor for that matter, are people who can't see that in doing so, the Dems are creating a vacuum that someone- maybe Nader, maybe someone more charismatic- is going to fill. That's political science 101.

[opihimoimoi]

121. Anyone can Denigrate...takes a small amount of talent I guess..But Ralph needs to give us reasons on

why he is so special we should give our precious votes to him...

What has he done to deserve a shot at running the Nation?

Granted he would be better than George...but so would The Spunky/Moxie Gang...

What are his Ideas and concepts? Real meaty ones instead of the BS Crap them Pubs usually like to use...?

He is another Carl Sheeler....Ralphie, Ya once had respect...but ya went and spent it all....

[CTyankee]

124. He is too old and out of step.

At 73 he looks like the old codger he is. He should just enjoy whatever time he has left of the 15 minutes...

He and McCain can get all blustery with each other. They are a couple of serious losers...

[Rex]

133. Nadar needs another pie in the face IMO.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

134. I wouldn't worry about Nader. If any votes he got actually decided the election, that would

mean that the country is irredeemably stupid and not worthy of saving.