On impeachment, and faustian choices

[nadinbrzezinski]

yes, yes I know one more....but this is a tad different

The Dems are in a bind. I will tell you why

Like most Muricans they remember what the Impeachment of Clinton did to the wingnuts (they did loose some seats folks... since people were disgusted) So their frame of reference to what an impeachment will do is a very political impeachment that the Murican people did not quite particularly approve off. So... they are afraid of the same result (and yes the arguments of we don't have votes in the senate is correct to a point)

Yet, the American people increasingly want it. And I will argue that if the Dems do not push for it, they will pay a price. Now if they do it, '76 is the correct frame of reference, there was a bumper crop of Democrats in '76. But if they don't pull the trigger they will pay a huge price.

Why?

The war is very popular NOT

And people have woken up to the fact that Bush lied the country in order to take the coutry to war.

Yes, they sill have the media to deal with, and the media has the ability to make Bush seem like Joan of Arc persuaded and driven out of office for no reason... (I'm not sure the people will buy it, but to quote George, you've got to catapult the propaganda)

So, they have a faustian choice to make...

Go ahead and pull a '74 and hope against hope that the facts will emerge and Pubbies will pull a '74... Bush or my job.

Or not do it, and still pay a price, and perhaps the price will be control of both the House and the Senate.

In my view, they will pay a higher price if they seem to seat there and tacitly approve what has happened (it does not matter they do nor not, their votes and catapulting the propaganda...) So here is why, if you want a political reason, Impeachment must go back on the table

Now there is plenty on the COnstitutional side and high crimes, but I came to the conclussion that the Democratic leadership is taking a gun, loading it,cocking it and taking aim at their foot. Lets see how many toes they manage to blow off, metaphorically speaking of course. (And the vote to fund, they now own the war in the eyes of the people who voted to CHANGE the policy, not to cave... and caving is exactly the impression people have now)

[xchrom]

1. and you think that worse than bushco isn't waiting in the wings

watching the dems -- watching the dems over come by the fear that has strangled them since reagan?

there is only one way to shake off chains -- and that is with a fearless shake of muscle.

all the intellectualizing in the world -- all the strategizing won't save the dems from a worse admin than bushco.

[nadinbrzezinski]

5. If they don't do what they need to do

the house and the senate will be gone

And perhaps the party

Perhaps that is inevitable... since we are now an Empire and the republic is dead... but that is a whole different thread

[Phredicles]

2. Way recommended - THANK YOU!

:applause:

[nadinbrzezinski]

6. You welcome

:-)

[MuseRider]

3. While I agree with you

I do not see this as a political issue. People can argue with me over and over but I will never forgive them no matter what the outcome is if they place politics over saving this country. This is not and never should be about their jobs.

[nadinbrzezinski]

4. Agreed

I just took the one line over the political issue

In my mind, consequences or not they should do it because of Constitutional reasons... but the political equation they are thinking off is completely off

[MuseRider]

7. I think you are correct

that they will pay a price one way or the other. To me it would be better paying the price doing the right thing. To me the right thing would be to fight the monsters. If they think the right thing is to lay low and the monster will get bored and go away then I think they will be forever seal the old title of wimpy for themselves.

I know that others disagree and think the correct thing is to forget about it and just work on getting elected and then we will be fine. I can't see it that way. Nobody really wants to vote for people without courage or the guts to risk themselves to save the country. They say they support the troops, then why do they not have the guts to support our country, our constitution?

[nadinbrzezinski]

8. What galls me is that many of us have taken

real risks and been harrased for them...

(Yes could tell stories alrady)

But these guys are not.

Never mind some of them have been in real threats (Anhtrax anyoone? ALl attacks have happend to dems, coincidence? Hardly)

But as you said, it seems they only care about one thing... and to a point, if it is staying alive, I can't blame them. But I can fault them for lack of courage

And at this point I am an indie, and will vote for them since the altertanive scares the living daylights out of me... but this has proven we need new parties and new ways of doing things in this country...