HOLY SHIT! Talking about Osama Bin Laden post 9/11 flight on CNN NOW!!!!

[originalpckelly]

This would in relation to this explosive report, which suggests Osama may have arranged for one of te planes that spirited important Saudis, including members of Bin Laden's family out of America after 9/11:
http://judicialwatch.org/6322.shtml

[CatWoman]

1. huh?

:shrug:

[librechik]

3. they found records to indicate OBL chartered the 9/11 escape plane

for his family members

[rodeodance]

17. the report really did not say it was obl.

[librechik]

25. you're right, it said maybe some other guy or OBL

I was just trying to economize by leaving the nuances out.

[samsingh]

61. Michael Moore stated as much in his movie F911

[originalpckelly]

4. Remember that report? Here's something to refresh your memory:

http://judicialwatch.org/6322.shtml

[CatWoman]

8. thanks you guys

:hi:

[Cooley Hurd]

7. Here ya go...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2888015

:hi:

[CatWoman]

11. hey!!!

is that ship for real???


:hi:

[Cooley Hurd]

55. Yep - I named my boat my DU screen name just in case...

...I run into any DUers out on the lake.;):hi:

[Taverner]

2. ???

Explain

[originalpckelly]

9. Here's the report I'm talking about, CNN is now showing it on TV:

http://judicialwatch.org/6322.shtml

[librechik]

12. heres' the latest

http://www.metimes.com/storyview.php?StoryID=20070621-064416-6961r

[CatWoman]

19. Michael Moore vindicated

once again :)

[originalpckelly]

28. Indeed he was, and by a super conservative group to boot!

:rofl:

[Bjorn Against]

56. But it turned out to be even worse than Moore suggested

Moore never claimed Osama bin Laden chartered that flight, it turns out the truth may be even much worse than anything he could have ever imagined. The media owes him an apology for attacking him on that part of the film.

[CatWoman]

57. you are 200 percent correct

:)

thanks for the post

:)

[Warpy]

5. OK, now I'm shocked

I thought it would be weeks before it circulated from Breitbart through the web to the point that "mainstream" news couldn't ignore it any longer.

Somebody's running scared.

[originalpckelly]

13. That makes me think something stinks. They're worried about this and had to quash this...

Very curious indeed, isn't it?

[MissWaverly]

21. I wonder if it has to do with Blair leaving office

wonder what is going to leak out after he goes.

[tridim]

15. Shocked here too..

At this point it's probably not a real good business decision to hitch your wagon to the American men who approved and encouraged murder and rape in "Saddam's rape rooms".

[Supersedeas]

44. wait to you see how they marginalize and trivialize it

[Lone_Star_Dem]

6. Great to know

I was wondering how much coverage this would wind up getting.

[mmonk]

10. CNN messed up now.

I'm sure a White House fax is on the way right now.

[rasputin1952]

23. Would not surprise me in the least...the WH is neck deep ...

in this slime.

Would not surprise me to find out bin-Laden is in the Lincoln Bedroom either. This admisistration is just palin pathetic, in everything it does.

[OzarkDem]

14. Weird

CNN usually covers for the Bush administration. Maybe they'll find some way to blame it on Clinton.

[originalpckelly]

20. No, I think they're doing it so they can give their dismissive spin on it.

It's like starting a fire to fight a larger forest fire.

[OzarkDem]

27. Right

Report it, spin and marginalize it, then drop it.

[AntiFascist]

29. LOL, quick fan the flames!

Sometimes those things get out of control.

[earthboundmisfit]

34. "Mistakes were made..." "How was anyone to know..."

"There were miscommunications..." Same sold shit to cover their asses

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

16. Wow. Let's Hope They Actually Dig A Bit Deeper For Once, And Keep The Story Goin.

[rodeodance]

18. rec and k.

[Ian David]

22. Is The Space Shuttle going to crash just to keep this story suppressed.

Remember: The head of NASA is a "Loyal Bushie" who doesn't believe in Global Warming and wonders if it might even be a GOOD thing if it were true.

[originalpckelly]

26. No, I think they did it to give their spin on it. They couldn't suppress this...

it came from a conservative source and it couldn't be written off as "far left BS".

[spanone]

24. K&R

[DFW]

30. I wanna hear Tony Snow's verbal contortions on this one:

If it plays out as suspected:

The attacks of Sep. 11 happen.
All flights in the USA are grounded.
An exception is granted by Cheneybush for the flight for bin Laden family members.
The flight was chartered by Osama (?).
The flight was was chartered by Osama, and Cheneybush didn't know this (??).
The flight is allowed to zip around the USA gathering up the Bin Laden family.
The flight is then allowed to leave the USA unhindered.

I think one or more of the above pieces of the puzzle don't fit.

Cheneybush let the flight get organized, and didn't know WHO did the organizing?
The ONLY non-military flight in US airspace in days? No way.

Either Osama had the flight chartered by someone who was several steps
removed so that it wasn't immediately obvious who was behind it (and when
it was, Cheneybush wasn't about to admit they had found out), OR: it wasn't
really chartered by Osama after all, OR: Cheneybush knew what was going on
the whole time, but figured no one would ever find out.

Door number one, door number two, or door number three?

[lumberjack_jeff]

39. I have a less exciting, but plausible explanation

FBI analysts, pissed off at administration mishandling and blind spots in their intel, have noted in their reports that they can't rule out anyone for having chartered the flight - including OBL.

Brietbart reports only that either OBL or the Saudi Royal family chartered the flights.

[DFW]

43. The Saudi Royal family would make a lot more sense

And, as you said, that would make it a lot less exciting.

[Philosoraptor]

31. Naaah, that's just some wacky liberal theory that makes us all look bad.

[Pastiche423]

51. lol

I adore you, Phil!

[autorank]

32. You know, it's really interesting that Judicial Watch broke this. K*R

It is a vital story and that's the main focus, without any doubt.

It's obviously been around though and look who broke it, Larry Clayman's outfit.

[originalpckelly]

33. Conservatives! And it's all FBI stuff too.

[watrwefitinfor]

36. Yes, but now it's "old news" cause they have reported it. n/t

[orleans]

52. so who do we send a copy of this report to? conyers? waxman? leahy?

(if greg palast can give conyers copies of those rnc emails why can't we send a copy of this report to congress?)

[alfredo]

35. They stopped here in my home town to pick up some

Saudis who were here for the horse trade.

[IChing]

38. Get this they redacted OBL name in order "to protect privacy interests"

http://www.judicialwatch.org/archive/2007/Saudi%20Docs%202.pdf

Yes, the 911 commission did their job didn't they? Thank you
for that bi-partisan piece of crap

[KamaAina]

45. Check out page 6 of that PDF

"The group departed the Los Angeles area in response to their fears about further earthquakes following a tremor in the Los Angeles area on or about 09/08/2001."

Uh-huh. Earthquakes. That's what they were afraid of, all right. And if you believe that, I have some oil property on Maui I'd like to show you...

A search of the USGS quake database at http://neic.usgs.gov turns up a 3.1 magnitude event on the 8th, 85km from L.A. A stronger 4.2 quake right in L.A. did not occur until nearly midnight on the 9th.

E A R T H Q U A K E D A T A B A S E



FILE CREATED: Thu Jun 21 16:47:02 2007
Circle Search Earthquakes= 3
Circle Center Point Latitude: 34.100N Longitude: 118.400W
Radius: 100.000 km
Catalog Used: PDE
Date Range: Year: 2001 - 2001 Month: 09/Day: 07 Month: 09/Day: 10
Data Selection: Historical & Preliminary Data


CAT YEAR MO DA ORIG TIME LAT LONG DEP MAGNITUDE IEFM DTSVNWG DIST
NFPO km
TFS

PDE 2001 09 08 042513.87 34.28 -117.50 13 3.10 MLPAS 3F . ....... 85
PDE 2001 09 09 235918.02 34.06 -118.39 4 4.20 mb GS 6D . ....... 4
PDE 2001 09 10 000101.26 34.08 -118.40 7 2.90 MLPAS .. . ....... 2

Anyone who's spent even a week in California couldn't possibly be afraid of a 3.1 quake 50 miles away! :tinfoilhat:

[Star80]

49. Busted:

Somebody's lyyyyin.

[alfredo]

47. You know that the reps probably edited the final report after it

was signed off on by the Dems.

[rucky]

37. MIHOP n/t

[originalpckelly]

42. Only, it wasn't a controlled demo, they have outsourced it to al-Qaeda.

[mirrera]

50. MIHOP everything makes sense when you finally face the Boogey Man...n/t

[NoSheep]

58. MIHOP.

[ContraBass Black]

40. And it only took six years to make it to air.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

41. Damn I missed it! I posted about this three hours ago or so! This is wonderful! eom

[rox63]

46. This explains

why the tragic story of the missing pregnant lady is now national news. Yes, it's a sad story, but it should be a local story, not dominating the national news. They don't want people hearing about OBL's charter flights getting the go-ahead from the * admin. So they are diverting everyone's attention with this story instead.

[Name removed]

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[BikeWriter]

53. I love it! Hold someone accountable today!

[Philosoraptor]

54. ..............

[northzax]

59. read it VERY carefully

before making any grand announcments, this IS judicial watch we are talking about here...

[HamdenRice]

60. Yawl better stop focusing on the forest and look at each tree carefully

That way there is no pattern. Just a series of strange anomalous events. Don't jump to any conclusions. The Bush administration may be incompetent, but they would never conspire to harm Americans. Governments never lie.

:sarcasm:

K&R

[MrPrax]

62. I thought Dickie Clark blamed

the FBI on that one:


_______________

Mr. Clarke, let me ask you some difficult questions for you to get at the complexity of our relationship with the Saudis.

One the one hand, I think there's a great deal of unanimity that the Saudis were not doing everything they could before 9/11 to help us in a host of different areas; 15 of the 19 hijackers came from there. We had trouble tracking some of the financing for terrorist operations. But we still have too many of the madrassas and the teachings of hatred of Christians and Jews and others coming out of some of these madrassas.

We need to broaden and deepen this relationship. I will ask you a part A and a part B.

Part A is where do we go in this difficult relationship? And part B is to further look at the difficulty here. You made a decision after 9/11 to, I think -- and I'd like to ask you more about this -- to allow a plane of Saudis to fly out of the country. And when most other planes were grounded, this plane flew from the United States back to Saudi Arabia. I'd like to know why you made that decision, who was on this plane, and if the FBI ever had the opportunity to interview those people.

CLARKE: You're absolutely right that the Saudi Arabian government did not cooperate with us significantly in the fight against terrorism prior to 9/11. Indeed, it didn't really cooperate until after bombs blew up in Riyadh.

Now, as to this controversy about the Saudi evacuation aircraft, let me tell you everything I know, which is that in the days following 9/11 -- whether it was on 9/12 or 9/15, I can't tell you -- we were in a constant crisis management meeting that had started the morning of 9/11 and ran for days on end. We were making lots of decisions, but we were coordinating them with all the agencies through the video teleconference procedure.

Someone -- and I wish I could tell you, but I don't know who -- someone brought to that group a proposal that we authorize a request from the Saudi embassy. The Saudi embassy had apparently said that they feared for the lives of Saudi citizens because they thought there would be retribution against Saudis in the United States as it became obvious to Americans that this attack was essentially done by Saudis, and that there were even Saudi citizens in the United States who were part of the bin Laden family, which is a very large family, very large family.

The Saudi embassy therefore asked for these people to be evacuated; the same sort of thing that we do all the time in similar crises, evacuating Americans.

The request came to me and I refused to approve it. I suggested that it be routed to the FBI and that the FBI look at the names of the individuals who were going to be on the passenger manifest and that they approve it -- or not.

I spoke with at that time the number two person in the FBI, Dale Watson, and asked him to deal with this issue.

The FBI then approved -- after some period of time, and I can't tell you how long -- approved the flight.

Now, what degree of review the FBI did of those names, I cannot tell you. How many people there are on the plane, I cannot tell you.

But I have asked since: Were there any individuals on that flight that in retrospect the FBI wishes they could have interviewed in this country. And the answer I've been given is no, that there was no one who left on that flight who the FBI now wants to interview.

ROEMER: Despite the fact that we don't know if Dale Watson interviewed them in the first place.

CLARKE: I don't think they were ever interviewed in this country.

ROEMER: So they were not interviewed here. We have all their names. We don't know if there has been any follow up to interview those people that were here and flown out of the country.

CLARKE: The last time I asked that question, I was informed that the FBI still had no desire to interview any of these people.

ROEMER: Would you have a desire to interview some of these people that...

CLARKE: I don't know who they are.

ROEMER: We don't know who they are...

CLARKE: I don't know who they are. The FBI knew who they were because they...

ROEMER: Given your confidence in your statements on the FBI, what's your level of comfort with this?

CLARKE: Well, I will tell you in particular about the ones that get the most attention here in the press, and they are members of the bin Laden family.

I was aware, for some time, that there were members of the bin Laden family living in the United States.

And, let's see, in open session I can say that I was very well aware of the members of the bin Laden family and what they were doing in the United States. And the FBI was extraordinarily well aware of what they were doing in the United States. And I was informed by the FBI that none of the members of the bin Laden family, this large clan, were doing anything in this country that was illegal or that raised their suspicions.

And I believe the FBI had very good information and good sources of information on what the members of the bin Laden family were doing.

ROEMER: I've been very impressed with your memory, sitting through all these interviews the 9/11 commission has conducted with you. I press you, again, to try to recall how this request originated. Who might have passed this on to you at the White House situation room? Or who might have originated that request for the United States government to fly out -- how many people in this plane?

CLARKE: I don't know.

ROEMER: We don't know how many people were on a plane that flew out of this country. Who gave the final approval, then, to say yes, you're clear to go, it's all right with the United States government to go to Saudi Arabia?

CLARKE: I believe, after the FBI came back and said it was all right with them, we ran it through the decision process for all of these decisions we were making in those hours, which was the Interagency Crisis Management Group on the video conference.

I was making or coordinating a lot of decisions on 9/11 and the days immediately after. And I would love to be able to tell you who did it, who brought this proposal to me, but I don't know. Since you pressed me, the two possibilities that are most likely are either the Department of State, or the White House Chief of Staff's Office. But I don't know.

ROEMER: Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

KEAN: Senator Gorton?

GORTON: One more question on that subject. When the approvals were finally made and when the flight left, was the flight embargo still in effect? Or was that over; were we flying once again?

CLARKE: No, sir. No, Senator. The reason that a decision was needed was because the flight embargo, the grounding, was still in effect.
_____________________

Clark testimony
March 24, 2004
CNN Transcript

[trashcanistanista]

64. They need to tap the air traffic controllers

from each individual airport to see what they remember. That is, if they are still alive. MIHOP.

[MrPrax]

67. I always thought...

the whole flight thing was a red herring and simply more proof of how the narrative makes no real sense and indeed smells like a MILOP...most of the reported foreign INTEL sounds like 'noise' and 'chatter' -- nothing conclusive given the enormity of the event.

Somebody is covering up something...

[Bolo Boffin]

63. The actual report

http://www.judicialwatch.org/archive/2007/Saudi%20Docs%202.pdf

On page 28, the Bin Laden family flight is addressed. It is Ryan Air #441, which started picking up people on the 19th, and departed the USA on the 20th.

One person on the flight is still redacted as is any specific information about this person. However, the next paragraph does include this person in the terms used, which I've bolded in the quote below.

Investigations of the other passengers yielded no information pertinent to the attacks of September 11th or the investigation of Osama Bin Laden. None of the Binladen family members on this flight had been in recent contact with Osama Bin Laden. All of the passengers were either half-siblings or the children of half-siblings of Osama Bin Laden. None of the individuals aboard were suspected of having ties to terrorists organizations.

Beware of Judicial Watch bearing gifts.

[mhatrw]

66. Oh, so they were just Osama's HALF-siblings!

You know, the good half! Or is that the better half? Anyway, move on. Nothing to see here folks. They were just Osama's half-siblings!

[Bolo Boffin]

68. He has quite a few. n/t

[Lord Balto]

65. No No No! It wasn't Osama...

It was Dick Cheney using Osama's credit card.

[Norrin Radd]

69. kick