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DFW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 03:05 AM
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Gingrich tries to get cute in London, and guess who nails him?
The conservative Financial Times of London had Newt Gingrich write
a guest editorial headlined "A French lesson for America's Grand Old
Party."

It was full of convoluted "logic," explaining that the Republicans
could hold onto the White House by being the bold party of change,
using Sarkozy as an example. He totally ignored that Sarkozy intended
to keep intact the French system of universal access to education and
health care that would send US politicians to screaming "socialism!"
He also ignored that Sarkozy really was for change, whereas US Republicans,
including Gingrich, keep idolizing Reagan. Sarkozy did not get elected
by bowing down to a statue of De Gaulle.

Gingrich then went on to equate the Democrats with the French Socialists
with the tired line that "much like the US Democratic party, it is trapped
by its commitment to big labor, big bureaucracy, high taxes, and social values
people do not believe in." Like his party has reduced bureaucracy? Or the
many marriages of men like Rudy Giuliani, Bill Bennett, or, come to think of it,
Newt Gingrich, are values people believe in?

Anyway, the article was a bunch of crap, and even though I know the Financial
Times is a conservative publication, I always thought they tried to be sensible,
restricting heated arguments to areas of serious debate on subjective economic
issues. On the train down to Paris last week, there was a copy with Gingrich's
mug on the cover, and so I read his guest column. It's a 4 hour ride down to
Paris and the FT was the only English-language paper laying around that I hadn't
yet read.

I never write to conservative publications, as I usually consider it a waste of
time I could put to better use, like napping or watching paint dry. But this one
so riled me, that when I got to the office in Paris, I took a half hour and
composed a rebuttal to Gingrich's nonsense, saying that the only contest in
today's crop of Republican candidates was who could scream "Reagan!" the loudest,
and that at any rate, anyone like Sarkozy would be hounded out of the Republican
party anyway ("to their credit," I added).

Well, whaddya know? The Financial Times ran my letter unedited (it was long-ish),
and at the top of their letters page a few days later!!!!!

I was preaching to the converted, I realize, but I never expected to get such
a letter published in the Financial Times. That is one paper that is read and
taken seriously around the world. For some reason, there were no favorable
responses from the radical right, but I got notes of appreciation from Helen
Thomas and Howard Dean, and somehow, I treasure them just a wee bit more.

The moral of the story, besides, "hey, I get to toot my own horn on DU!" is
to write letters, comments, whatever, as much as you can or want, and to as
many publications as you can or choose to. No matter HOW unlikely you think
it is you might get published (or even read), WE are the vox populi, and we
only eliminate our chances of being heard if we shut up entirely. Be clear, be
sane, and you never know who might decide you have a worthwhile point to make.

To be fair and balanced, it is likely that Newt Gingrich might not agree that I
had a worthwhile point to make, but then, I don't think he had one either.
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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 03:22 AM
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1. Newt seems to be one of those second rate people who the GOP
finds smart. They also think if you make money you have to be smart. He has always been a bunch of crap. 1890 thinkers running a party that should move up to the 2000's but I do not think it can when it looks at a Newt as a deep thinker.
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Norrin Radd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 03:41 AM
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2. Is your LTTE online?
Edited on Fri Jun-22-07 03:41 AM by Progs Rock
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DFW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 03:54 AM
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3. Progs rock and izzie
PR: check your mailbox

Izzie--your point about Gingrich was echoed by one of the people
mentioned in the OP--in rather harsher terms, I might add!
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 04:57 AM
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4. Spot on....
and well done. I'm always a bit surprised when newspapers print my LTTEs as well but I guess if it makes sense and is well written they'll give it a go. But the Financial Times? :wow: You're in the big leagues now. Kudos! :applause:
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 05:36 AM
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5. Eighty four ethics charges were filed against this POS
He violated federal tax law and lied to the ethics committee. He was ejected from leadersip and resigned from Congress in disgrace. And yet I see this jackass popping up everywhere, like he's some kind of hero. It's like the traitor Oliver North. These people are truly shameless.
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 07:44 AM
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10. RUN, Newtie, RUN! he's my boy for the pugnom.
I hope with all my heart he can beat out St. Rudy, and the Creature from the Black Lagoon
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 08:38 AM
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17. Me too!
I might defile myself by switching to Publican so I can vote for him in the Primary.
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 04:01 PM
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31. And then publicly declared that "the Ethics Committee...said I didn't do anything wrong"
which is of course EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE of what they said. But since they didn't hand down a stiff penalty he took that as exoneration.
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 04:26 PM
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32. And he's not a hipocrite for attacking Clinton for a failing he himself has in abundance.
No, that was different. It wasn't about the blowjob. Clinton lied according to Newt and that was what it was all about. Newt has never lied, you see. Man oh man I hope he ends up getting the Republican nomination. If I couldn't slaughter him in a debate I would just shoot myself in the head and get it over with.

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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 05:53 AM
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6. Wow, way to go DFW. n/t
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Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 06:26 AM
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7. Here's another good reply to FT re Newt - from a guy in Atlanta
Edited on Fri Jun-22-07 06:34 AM by Divernan
(Headline) "Face it, Newt - you'll never be the GOP presidential candidate"
(By Joe Carter, who describes himself as a Francophile)
Published: June 19 2007 03:00)
www.ft.com/cms/s/f62b3e20-1e01-11dc89f7-000b5df1062.html

"French voters are much more sophisticated than Americans; the record shows many Americans are idiots electing other idiots. Look at Washington, for example. Mr Gingrich forgets that President Sarkozy already had an exceptionally strong law and order record in his previous job. The GOP offers no such candidates. Too many strongly stand for the religious bigots they represent and certainly don't reflect the values of the electorate.

Thank God the French try to keep religion out of their politics. They want to keep France French, and that's more than I can say for Americans wanting to keep their country American. America is fast becoming a nation with a large poor, second-class society of uneducated Spanish speakers. For far too long Americans have foolishly trusted their government, whether Democrat or Republican, and readily accepted any policy or programme with the words "tolerance, politically correct or discriminatory".

My French friends laughed heartily after reading Mr Gingrich's article. Yes, he has some good points. He's never really been pro-French before, has he? Is he trying to get the GOP presidential candidacy, they ask? Then they recall Mr Gingrich's arrogance when he led the efforts to impeach President Bill Clinton for his dallying with a White House bimbo, while at the same time having his own illicit affair.

No, Mr Gingrich, America is not France. There is very much you can learn from the French. Above all, a presidential candidate must represent something a nation wants and needs. So forget it, Mr Gingrich. You will never be the GOP's presidential candidate!

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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 06:42 AM
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8. Way to go


I bet you were pleased beyond belief. Thanks for encouraging others and keep at it.

:yourock:
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 07:41 AM
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9. Congratulations!
Can you share the letter and the link to or highlights of Gingrich's piece with us?

:toast:
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DFW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 10:55 AM
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23. See Jeff's post #12 n/t
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 07:49 AM
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11. Congrats!
A conservative in Europe, though, is often like a moderate to liberal Democrat here in the US.
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 07:54 AM
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12. Is this the letter?
Sir, Besides the fact that the new French president, Nicolas Sarkozy, will preserve social benefits in France that would send even the most progressive member of the Democratic party in the US searching frantically for cover, to equate him with American so-called "conservatives" is misleading at best. Coming from such a prominent figure on the American right as Newt Gingrich ("A French lesson for America's grand old party", June 12), it is misleading in the extreme....

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/d4cbd0ce-1a13-11dc-99c5-000b5df10621.html
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DFW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 08:30 AM
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14. That's the one!
I have been outed!
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 08:36 AM
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16. great job
Congratulations.
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DFW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 09:14 AM
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21. Thanks!
I sort of thought, if they'll publish me, they'll publish anybody,
but when I read Gingrich's article, and how poorly reasoned out
his stuff was, I figured, hey, they already DID publish just anybody.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 02:26 AM
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38. NICE one!
Liked it a LOT. Every little bit helps. EVERY bit.
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OregonBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 08:05 AM
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13. Thank you. Congrats. Hope more of us start sending those letters.
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DFW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 08:34 AM
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15. So do I!
FLOOD every publication you can find with them.
The worst thing we can do is to shut up.
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OregonBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 06:38 AM
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41. Right ON!!
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a kennedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 08:41 AM
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18. I always laugh at the term "big labor" what a joke there is no
big labor anymore in this country. What a buffoon.... :eyes: labor hasn't had any power for years.
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gatorboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 08:42 AM
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19. The party of change?
Edited on Fri Jun-22-07 08:42 AM by gatorboy
Does that even make sense? We only just wrangled power out of these Repug's hands. The Republicans had 10 fucking years of complete power to change things! And now they're the party of change??? Goodness gracious fuck!
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DFW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 08:46 AM
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20. Oh, they've changed thing, alright
Some pretty scary changes, if you ask me. As for what those changes have wrought
upon our country, I would either steal some lines from Morrison's "When The Music's Over:"
What have they done to the earth?

What have they done to our fair sister?
Ravaged and plundered and ripped her and bit her
Stuck her with knives in the side of the dawn
And tied her with fences and dragged her down

Or, simplify it a bit and use your very appropriate short version: Goodness Gracious Fuck!
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yellerpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 09:48 AM
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22. Congratulations.
Good show!
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 10:58 AM
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24. No, Newt...
Most Democrats are not like French Socialists. Most are like mainstream French Conservatives.

If you were French, you wouldn't be a Conservative. You'd be a member of LePen's nutcase party.
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DFW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 11:19 AM
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25. Quite right
I should have included that!!
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 11:30 AM
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26. Toast to YOU! Incredible to get your comments in the FT! And, what
you said should be repeated everywhere! You nailed Gingrich! There IS hope if you could get this in such a conservative paper....let's hope that even the FT's has a little "revolt" going on...even if it's the fear that with Bush/Cheney/Blair's demise that their Globilization scheme just might be springing some leaks and the Supply Side rhetoric is doomed to the dustbin, finally.

:toast: :applause:
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DFW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 01:50 AM
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35. Sorry about the late reply
I'm still in Central Europe, and there is the time difference working against quick replies.

It'S not that there is a revolt going on in the FT. It's still a conservative paper. But like
I mentioned in the letter, today's Republicans have less and less to to with the term "conservative."

They just hijacked it because it sounds more respectable than "fascist."
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 11:34 AM
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27. Congrats DFW !!! - K & R !!!
:bounce::yourock::bounce:
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OilemFirchen Donating Member (535 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 11:51 AM
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28. Did Nootie really say this?
As for the opposition in the French election, much like the US Democratic party...


I thought it was the Democrat Party. In fact, I thought that Noot was central in re-promoting the slur.

Has his final shriveled testicle completely atrophied? Or is he being Politically Correct (sic)?
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DFW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 01:53 AM
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36. The FT is still very British, remember
I even made sure to spell "practice" as ""practise," since I knew they
would edit it. If Gingrich wrote "Democrat Party" in his original, the FT
would have just assumed it was a typo and corrected it.

(Sorry, Newt)

I'm just waiting for Bush to try a guest editorial in the FT. Even if he
manages to make it coherent, their grammatical guardians will be up long
into the night trying to translate whatever he wrote into English.
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 11:54 AM
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29. Anyone else getting the FREE NEWT banner at the top of the page.
:puke:

Gotta sign up for his NEWSLETTER!
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 02:42 PM
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30. Well done.
:thumbsup:
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 04:58 PM
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33. Interesting to read, and also enlightening for me, as I had assumed
Edited on Fri Jun-22-07 04:58 PM by KCabotDullesMarxIII
Sarkozy was just a more sophisticated version of Gingrich.
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DFW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 01:57 AM
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37. This was a popular misconception for a while
As others have pointed out, Sarkozy may have represented himself as a "conservative"
alternative to Royal's Socialists, but in France, that means a different animal entirely
from the American Right. If any Democratic candidate for president int he USA were to
propose even half the social programs in France that Sarkozy will leave intact, they
would be branded as left-wing lunatics.

Sarkozy is nothing to worry about--for us. Bush will find no Tony Blair in him.
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 05:25 PM
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34. Congratulations.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 03:25 AM
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39. For Newt to even Consider "Hat in Ring Thing"...reveals/confirms all is not right with him
His psychiatrist report card/analysis might be very interesting....

He ain't be right ever since his humilating defeat ala President Bill Clinton and had to resign as Speaker....Never was the same....

should go back to selling shoes or sumpthin...
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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 03:34 AM
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40. Well Done. Good Lesson To All.
Never give in to your effort merely being "a drop in the bucket" or only "falling on deaf ears."

Like with the LieberDems failure to impeach, silence really is complicity.

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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 05:02 PM
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42. kick....for a great read!
:kick:
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Gold Metal Flake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 10:58 PM
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43. kick
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