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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 06:39 AM
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Thank you, Mr. PRESIDENT OF THE SENATE Richard B. Cheney
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Thank you, Mr. PRESIDENT OF THE SENATE Richard B. Cheney
Submitted by danielifearn on Fri, 2007-06-22 06:56. IFPJ

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Way to go, President of the Senate Cheney. You know your Constitution; even if you don’t follow it and your buddy thinks it’s just a “damn piece of paper.” Good work and I, for one, am damn glad you’ve been so persnickety.

You say you are not a member of the Executive branch. That claim may go against the grain of history, but it does have a constitutional basis. Article I, Section 3 says so. So, now, you remember you are the President of the U.S. Senate. Welcome to the Legislative branch, Dick.

Members (that’s you, Dick) of the U.S. Senate can be removed from office by a single vote. Your esteemed colleagues in the Senate can remove you from office with “a concurrence of two-thirds of the members present.” Members present, President of the Senate Cheney. You, by your own assertion, can be removed by a two-thirds concurrence of less than one hundred Senators. That could be 33 Senators or even less. That’s a whole lot less than the two-thirds of 435 or 145 U.S. Representatives it would take to pass a bill of impeachment in the House of Representatives.

Welcome to Congress, President of the Senate Cheney. I hope you get your comeuppance. Maybe President pro tempore Robert Byrd, Democrat from West Virginia, will do us, the People, the favor. Senator Byrd, you must admit, is only President pro tempore (that means temporary , George) because you are the Vice President of the United States who, as you so rightly claimed, is also the President of the Senate.

You said it, not me. Welcome, out ot the frying pan, and; into the fire Mr. President of the Senate Richard B. Cheney. Didn’t you read Article 1, Section 5? And they say George is the stupid one.

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Rockholm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 06:41 AM
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1. Now THIS would be a juicy little morsel for a Friday.
Try dumping THIS on a Friday!
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 06:42 AM
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2. HAHAHAHAHAHA!
I say Harry Reid does it and calls Dick's bluff.
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 06:42 AM
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3. He is probably going to say he is not really a member of the legis branch either.
He is special and unique.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 07:50 AM
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10. We have a winner!
:thumbsup:

He is a branch unto himself. The Dick Branch.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 07:59 AM
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11. A limp bough at that. n/t
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 08:02 AM
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12. LOL!
Indeed.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 09:23 AM
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16. From the same tree
that Rush Limp bough came from.
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ProgressiveAmPatriot Donating Member (350 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 06:48 AM
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4. He said he didn't have to comply with the executive branch, he didn't say he had to comply with
Edited on Fri Jun-22-07 07:17 AM by ProgressiveAmPatriot
the rules of the Senate. He has been misquoted by Democrats. His office is quoted as saying that because he is a member of the both executive and the legislative branches, he is therefore not required to reply to the request. The quote from the letter is "...the OVB spokesperson indicated, 'This has been reviewed and it's been determined that the reporting requirement does not apply to The Office of the Vice President, which has both legislative and executive functions.'"

http://oversight.house.gov/documents/20070621095027.pdf

So, in fairness to Cheney, he didn't say the law doesn't apply to him because he's not a member of the executive, he said it doesn't apply to him because he is both a member of the executive and a member of the legislature. The logic of this statement goes like this

(1) Records law applies to the executive branch
(2) The Office of the Vice-President is in both the executive and legislative branch
<1,2> (3) The records law does not apply to VP

This logic could be applied to Senate rules as well, btw. It is this letter that takes this unbelievably faulty logic to its inevitable conclusion and brings us back to reality

(1) Records law applies to the executive branch
(2) Records law does not apply to the Vice-President according to Vice-President
<1,2> (3) The Vice-President is not a member of the executive branch

And I am sure Democrats on the hill will be able to take it even further

<3> (4) The Vice-President lacks executive privilege

The conclusion of any logical person of course is that the Vice-President is insane and should be impeached. But let's be fair: he acknowledges being a part of the executive branch, he just thinks that this law should not apply to him because he is also a member of the legislative branch. I really don't know how The White House or Republicans, or the press is going to spin this. Then again, they could spin it the same way they sold torture. Just repeat something over and over again, have no shame, and eventually people will come to believe the big lie. Torture is patriotic when done for the right reasons. Global warming is a myth. Science is inconclusive on the subject. Constitutional experts disagree as to whether the Vice-President is exempt from laws governing the executive as he is a member of the executive and the legislature.

I swear to God they are going to find a "constitutional expert" to say that the Constitution is ambiguous on whether laws governing the executive apply to the VP. And the press is going to quote both sides in a "fair and balanced way." This is the problem with American journalism which teaches that there are two equal sides to any story. Crazy people with no shame come along and they justify crazy things by making things up and repeating them over and over and over until people start to believe the big lie. And the "fair and balanced" press just continues quoting both sides in an equal manner. Signing statements Bush style are no longer unprecedented attacks on the Constitution according to CNN. Why? Because that is what the White House says and every story has two equal sides. Cheney doesn't think the law applies to him. Democrats SAY the Constitution says otherwise. They disagree. Fair and balanced requires that we present both sides equally, thus Cheney gets quoted on an equal footing with sane people who think the law applies to them.

They've done it. They have done what Nixon couldn't do. They announce their criminal behavior in advance and claim it is morally just and they get away with it. Or when they classify their crimes and they get caught, they say after the fact that it was morally just and they get away with it. Then the press reports "the Democratic position," they broke the law, and the White House position, we are morally righteous in what we do so shut up and write our side of the story or we'll out your CIA wife. That of course isn't criminal. See, this is where Nixon screwed up. He acknowledged that if he had done what he was accused of doing, that it was wrong. Nixon's problem was he said he didn't do it. He should of just said, yeah I did it and it was legal, and it was good for democracy and stopped the communists and he could have had 8 years like Bush. Unbelievable. I am a member of the executive and legislative so the laws governing the executive do not apply to me. This statement can easily be changed to apply to the legislative branch. I am a member of the legislative and executive branches, so the laws governing the legislative branch do not apply to me. An 8th grade civics education makes these statements absurd.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 07:03 AM
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5. Great post, ProgressiveAmPatriot! And for every 'expert' they find to
Edited on Fri Jun-22-07 07:05 AM by babylonsister
defend themselves, I would hope the Dems would come up with someone who can explain the indefensible and why this is so pathetic. We'll see how this plays out, but it sure looks like a stupid maneuver by Dick. Makes ya wonder what he's hiding.:popcorn:

Edit to add: I just had a horrible thought. What if Dick wants this to play out this way and get fired by the Senate? I guess that still wouldn't keep his precious papers safe...maybe not.:tinfoilhat: :crazy:
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ProgressiveAmPatriot Donating Member (350 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 07:14 AM
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7. NPR says Cheney "exempted himself," totally spins the story with fair and balanced
Even NPR was able to spin it. He failed to comply with the law, which is a polite way of saying he broke the law. He didn't have the power to "exempt himself." But according to NPR, it is a story of Democrats vs Cheney. They quoted him as saying that his office is not an entity in the executive branch and that was the end of the story. The "journalist" said it with a straight voice. Unbelievable. How can you say that without laughing at its absurdity? An 8th grade civics education makes the statement absurd.
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ProgressiveAmPatriot Donating Member (350 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 07:35 AM
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9. I just heard a repeat of the story in which they don't even mention Cheney's logic
Unbelievable. They have made it into just another story of Democrats challenging Cheney on oversight. This is just insane. His logic is unbelievably faulty, why can't they just say so? They won't even report it.
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 07:04 AM
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6. Proud to be #5 to recommend. nt
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A wise Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 07:24 AM
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8. Now he can have a seat along side of "Scooter"
Edited on Fri Jun-22-07 07:25 AM by A wise Man
if he gets away with this dumb ass statement. I hope he gets away with it so we can burn his ass. "NOT"
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 08:29 AM
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13. Music to my ears! Now elected Dems-he broke the law-DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 08:33 AM
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14. It would be a great symbolic move if Dems come in during summer recess and do it! Would that be
possible???
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salinen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 09:14 AM
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15. Would Cheney have a vote too?
to remove himself.
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Gonzo Gardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 12:10 AM
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20. Pres. of Senate may only vote to break a tie.
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Buns_of_Fire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 10:51 AM
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17. The Executive, the Legislative, the Judicial, and the DICK
Lordy, how much money is it going to take to revise and reissue all the civics texts in this country?
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 11:41 AM
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18. This is beautiful. Thanks K & R nt
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JanusAscending Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-22-07 01:08 PM
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19. Ya did it again sister!!!
BRAVA !!!:applause: :applause: :applause: :yourock:
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Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 12:14 AM
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21. yes!
:toast: :applause:
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NoFederales Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-23-07 07:13 AM
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22. Well done! n/t
NoFederales
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