I wish people would stop with the impeachment talk

[blues90]

It's not going to happen , by the time anyone gets around to it it will be to late . It's off the table , or they don't have the votes and no one is willing to put it back on the table to even see what may or may not happen .

It is so frustrating , as frustrating as all the candidates all lined up with their hopes of becoming the next president along with all the talk about some attack before the elections that will cancel the elections in 2008 .

It all seems so very insane that it is unbearable to even think about it .

[AndyA]

1. What do you recommend?

Ignore the crimes? Allow them to continue?

What precedent does this set for future administrations?

I don't believe that time or whether they have the votes or not should be a factor. The legal process can continue after Bush/Cheney are out of office.

Trust me, if their dirty deeds become public knowledge through investigations and the impeachment process, there will be PLENTY of GOP votes for impeachment in the months leading up to the 2008 elections. In fact, I dare say MOST would be for impeachment, if they are planning on getting elected to another term.

Who the hell is crazy enough to stand up for a 26% President?

OK, other than James Inhofe, but he's bat shit crazy on his best day... :eyes:

[BushOut06]

5. Well, you can't impeach him once he's out of office

But you could sure as hell prosecute him.

At this point, I really don't know if there would be time enough to impeach - but doesn't mean that we couldn't at least start the ground work. If there's not enough time to impeach, then perhaps that could segue into a criminal investigation after he's gone.

[LSK]

9. actually, I think you can

Although at that point it would be just a formality.

[merh]

12. No, actually, it wouldn't be just a formality.

If you impeach once they are out of office, you can strip them of their retirement and all perks associated with having held the job.

[BuyingThyme]

54. You are correct, and wrong.

Impeachment is not technically the removal from office. It's the stamping of "DUD" or "REJECT" on one's forehead.

Impeachment will ban the Chimp from ever again holding federal office (and arguably from holding other government offices).

[AndyA]

38. John Conyers commented that the impeachment process

didn't stop just because someone left office.

I looked for the quote, but couldn't find it, but I'm sure I read something to that effect fairly recently.

[architect359]

2. I know what you're saying!

Believe you me, I feel the same way - but we have to keep up the "chatter" (if you will). Maybe it'll be for nothing, but than again, maybe it'll be enough. The point is to keep up the pressure by having it on the fore front of the national conversation. Fwiw.

Unbearable - but don't let it get you down. :hi:

[izzie]

17. Sounds good to me. Just do not let it die even if they will not do it.

He is a pretty bad President and better than who we would end up with unless we could do a joint thing.I also think many in Congress think like these two. I swear they think they were born to rule. Gee if we could only breed the smart talented people with the rich we would really have some thing. Bad deal those talented people seem to want to breed with more talent and the rich with greedy and pretty people.

[mmonk]

3. I wish people would quit ignoring the problem

of a constitution in trouble.

[Phredicles]

4. Sure, why can't we just ACCEPT the biggest criminals in our country's history getting off scot-free?

:sarcasm:, in case it's needed.

[EFerrari]

6. Insane? Holding our government accountable is insane?

No, it's not. Nancy is wrong and the threat of impeachment should be over BushCo every single day.

[tularetom]

7. No, keep drumming it in until the MSM has to acknowledge it

and admit that it is not coming from the "left fringe". There is fertile ground for impeachment of any president with a 26% approval rating and as the impact of bushco economic policies begins to soak into the lizard brains of the "core", pigboy and hannity won't be able to hold it back. Maybe there isn't time for impeachment but there are always criminal charges to consider after these creeps have left office.

[BlooInBloo]

8. Wow. Our wishes are SOOOOOO opposite.

[pocoloco]

10. I wish people would get their heads out of their ass!

America not worth saving??

It may be too late but fuck the enablers anyway!!

[LSK]

11. the problem is we are not going to get 17 Repukes to vote for it

It will not fly in the Senate no matter what the evidence is.

[Ghost in the Machine]

14. Then we expose EVERY Senate member that votes against it as criminal enablers

To turn a blind eye to the atrocious crimes being committed by this administration is clear complicity. Period. It's time to clean out OUR house.

[Joe Chi Minh]

16. What if judicial proceedings totally undermine their party? A confrontation,

in which they lose catastrophically?

[damntexdem]

21. We don't need the Senate to impeach -- just to convict.

;-)

[LSK]

22. I know, and whos on your list of 17 Repuke Senators who would vote to?

:shrug:

[ringtailtooter]

13. Washington is disfunctional now plus the big money that would finance

the effort likes the status quo. It should have happened in 03 after "mission accomplished" proved to be a lie.

[sicksicksick_N_tired]

15. Like, even hoping for a drop of justice has become unrealistic, huh.

It's aweful to have that feeling of total despair. I know. I've felt it, too, from time to time.

[Disturbed]

25. What if verifiable proof were discovered of an actual crime

that Busholini &/or Darth commited? Would that not force the House to Impeach either one of them?

So far, no actual proof has emerged. Accusations of criminal acts are not legal proof. Impeachment is an inguiry of charges for the House to bring forth. The Senate then proceeds with a trial of those charges.

[sicksicksick_N_tired]

28. Actually, Professor Dean has found plenty of facts, already out in the open,...

,...constituting crimes. Of course there is proof of criminal acts: Downing Street Memos, destroying an operation tracking black market arms sales, fraud in numerous instances, spying on Americans, political firings, hiding/destroying communications, etc,...and that's just the stuff out in the open, all of which ARE ACTUAL PROOF OF CRIMINAL ACTIVITY.

Imagine the "facts under-cover".

I disagree with your assertion that there is no proof. As a matter of fact, I find that position obnoxious given the piles upon piles of proof of criminal activity. Especially, RICO-related crimes all over the damn place.

[Vincardog]

31. What proof? Bushalini admitted on national TV that he ordered the illegal wiretapping of US Citizens

SEVERAL THOUSAND TIMES. That proof is on tape and in his own voice. That is just one among thousands.

[sicksicksick_N_tired]

40. He also admitted there was no connection to AQ and joked about WMDs.

ASSHOLE!!!!

[JAYJDF]

18. Impeach NOW.

This is exactly what my righty friend keeps telling me.
That the Dems have no balls.
That they never take a chance.
That they are quitters.

It's simple.
Laws were broken.
I even think proving just one count would be easy and clear.

[damntexdem]

19. Never! It MUST NOT stop! It is important to keep it as salient as possible.

I MAY never happen, but it will still be important even so. And it cannot happen if the talk doesn't occur.

Your saying that the talk should stop just encourages me to donate more to The World Can't Wait.

[klook]

20. Me too -- I want impeachment ACTION!! (n/t)

[Hubert Flottz]

23. We should just forgive and forget, right?

Tell that to the folks who have lost sons, daughters, wives, husbands, mothers and fathers in Iraq a war that never should have been. A war that would never have been if Bush and Cheney hadn't lied time after time to the people in America and the people around the world.

[Prisoner_Number_Six]

24. You have blood on your hands.

Every soldier who is killed, and every Iraqi and Afghani civilian who is killed, is your direct responsibility now. You've stated you're against the only real world solution to this situation, therefore you have taken their innocent souls into your hands.

Have fun with it. THEY sure as hell can't.

[blues90]

43. That's not what I said

And one other thing , the blood is on all americans hands for allowing this madness to continue . I did not vote for this admin and I did protest and I am for impeachment . It just does not seem likely to happen and the more I see posts about impeachment and rallys that fail and letters and emails the more I feel it won;t happen .

[blues90]

26. I am all for impeachment , this is not what I am refering to

What I am refering to is it's off the damn table and even though we are told we don't have the votes , no one is willing who is in power to even put it back on the table to see that just maybe we will have the votes , you don;t know without trying .

I just don;t see it happening because it is not talked about by any but a few politicians and time is running out , we have more than enough crimes to use .

So I am completely frustrated and sick of the seeminly false hope .

[EFerrari]

36. Okay. This isn't about "hope" but about working to make it happen.

I don't "hope" any politician will do the right thing because they won't.

Their job is to preserve their job.

My job is to work for what I know is right.

[Vincardog]

27. So you find people advocating for the return to the Rule of Law to be boring?

that attitude seems to be insane.

[sicksicksick_N_tired]

29. In defense of the OP, I think it's an expression of pure frustration,...

,...perhaps, even, fear that the criminals-in-charge are going to get away with their crimes.

[blues90]

45. exactly , thank you .

[Disturbed]

30. I loath Busholini and all of his Fascist Cabal but once again

proof that is verifiable must be brought forth before a majority in the House will sign on to an Impeachment of the Pres. &/or VP.

[Vincardog]

32. The proof can and will come out at the TRIAL. How can you expect to have the verdict before the tria...

[Disturbed]

33. I don't expect that.

What I was trying to point out is that the House will not even consider Impeachment unless verifiable proof of a crime or crimes are at hand. Yes, I realize that this is not how it is supposed to be yet in light of the short time span for an Impeachment actual proof of a crime or crimes is what would motivate the majority in the House to move forth.

[sicksicksick_N_tired]

35. May I ask WHAT trial you speak of?

WHAT TRIAL?

[Vincardog]

47. IMPEACHMENT is a TRIAL. The House brings the cause and The Senate rules on the case.

That is the trial I speak of. The PROOF is plenty. aWoL admitted to crimes on National TV. He lies us into war read the Downing Street memo.

[blues90]

44. what are you talking about ?

[MADem]

34. We may not have the votes to impeach, but we do have the clout for another "I" word

INVESTIGATIONS. Early and often.

We should investigate whatever we can, indict when we can, and who knows?

Starting out wishing for impeachment is a nonstarter. We need to itemize the sins, at minimum, so there is a good record of it all. Who knows, the preponderance of wrongdoing and excess may sway some of those Republicans down the line....

[Phredicles]

37. Fair enough. But let's see those subpoenas enforced.

[MADem]

42. Yep, we need to see a few WH (or ex-WH) goons sitting at the green table.. nt

[Disturbed]

39. WHAT TRIAL?

The House brings forth charges. The Senate has a trial of those charges. If found guilty of all or any of the charges, the official that is found guilty is removed from office. Any criminal charges must then be filed after that person leaves their office.

[MADem]

41. Why are you screaming about trials? You don't bring charges until you first INVESTIGATE

to see if there was any wrongdoing. Unless, of course, you're a Republican. Then you slap together a bullshit list of charges and you're off to the races.

Did you mean to respond to someone other than me?

[Disturbed]

46. I was responding to sicksicksick_N_tired

sicksicksick_N_tired

Response to Reply #32
35. May I ask WHAT trial you speak of?

WHAT TRIAL?

Of course, an investigation must be conducted. Again, I am merely pointing out that the majority in the House wouldn't sign on to an Impeachment unless verifiable proof of a crime or crimes was at hand. In order for the Senate Rethugs to vote guilty that would absolutely be required.

[MADem]

49. You might want to repost so they will see it--you responded to post 34, which was me. NT

[proud2BlibKansan]

48. Yes, we should allow our president to be a war criminal

and our vice president to redefine our constitution!

Sounds good to me!!!!!

:sarcasm:

[blues90]

51. Do you see any hope for impeachment ?

This is my entire point , didn't many protest at the pentagon not long ago to impeach bush and cheney , haven't people called and written their reps , hasn't Cindy sheehan tried and tried and all landed on deaf ears .

If congress and the senate are not listening then what do you propose we do . No one is willing to get out for weeks and march in the millions and even if we pulled this off will it change a thing ?

I am frustrated by the way the dems are handling this entire thing and it seems the last thing on their minds is impeachment at this point other wise it would be on the table by now . No one can tell me the reps do not know this is what the people want and this is proof they are not willing to even try .

[proud2BlibKansan]

52. We can't afford to lose hope

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1163177

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

50. Yeah. Let's close our eyes to the fact that our pResident and his Dark Angel of Death have committed

high crimes and misdemeanors. Let's close our eyes to the fact that they have pilfered our treasury and have been behind the death of 100,000s of thousands of people. Let's close our eyes that they torture. Let's close our eyes to the fact that they have shat on our legal system. Let's close our eyes and make believe that these criminals shouldn't be thrown in jail for life. Keys thrown away. It's just too inconvenient.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

53. I wish people would stop with this "President Bush" talk.