Why do I feel I'm the only Democrat who likes

[cboy4]

Joe Biden?

I've not even made up my mind who I'll be voting for....

But I can't believe how horrible some people have made me feel about liking Biden. :cry:

[wildhorses]

1. as long as you

fuck nader you will be okay around here.

:hug:

[Bjornsdotter]

2. He's not my choice

....but you have nothing to apologize for. We all like/dislike people for different reasons and yes, some people here think that they are the "decider"

Cheers

[LSK]

3. because you dont know he is owned by the Credit Card companies?

:shrug:

[cboy4]

8. I see. So he's the only politician owned by an industry.

All of the other candidates are perfect, huh?

[LSK]

9. what industry owns Obama?

And did Obama vote in favor of that industry like Biden did with the Bankruptcy bill?

:shrug:

[cboy4]

14. No candidate is perfect. I'm not saying Biden is perfect. All I'm

saying is when I tell a fellow Democrat that I like Biden, I shouldn't feel as though I just told the person I'm voting for a Republican.

And for the record, I'm very impressed with Obama. He's a good guy.

[LSK]

17. I like Biden sometimes, I just dont forget who he is

[orleans]

60. same here. n/t

[jillan]

20. I'm not going to bash Obama because he is a good guy

but all you have to do is go over to GD-P and see who his supporters are. geez.

They ALL have their issues, and Biden is not exempt.

[LSK]

23. Obama isnt even my 1st choice

Theres a difference between the actions of a supporter and a candidate who votes in favor of a certain industry over the interest of the general public. I dont know if Obama has done that yet, but I think Biden has.

[Bjornsdotter]

26. Exactly

...they all have their issues and they have all done things we might not agree with. We all have our line in the sand that we won't cross and we have to take that into account, unfortunately some here can't handle that.

Cheers

[KittyWampus]

47. what is Obama's position on using coal?

[silverojo]

30. Not perfect, but....

The credit card companies are the ones behind the bankruptcy bill....

[Like It Is]

56. Biden voted right on the Bankruptcy Bill!

I had dead beats working for me who used to run up their credit cards to the limit and file bankruptcy, not once but several times. The law needed tightening up. I'll be honest, the credit card companies issue cards to un credit worthy people thereby causing their own problems. But Delaware's lively-hood is banking and credit. Biden represents his constituents.

[cboy4]

73. A disturbing percentage of people who file for bankruptcy do so

because of medical bills. Did you know that?

You should really read up on it, because it's quite chilling and sad.

And if you want to be honest here, credit card companies really ask for trouble by sending people who struggle financially offer after offer after offer.

I'm not defending individuals who are irresponsible with their credit.

But there are some legitimate factors why people are forced to file, and it doesn't always have to do with irresponsibility.

[krispos42]

87. I had this argument with my boss

He was under the impression that a bunch of fiscally-irresponsible people just declared bankruptcy and thought they were trying to run out on their obligations by whining "But you shouldn't have loaned me the money in the first place".

I asked him to loan me $5,000. He said no. I asked him why. I let him think for a second, then shugged, smiled, and went back to work. :-)

[ret5hd]

90. Bullshit...several times? You let deadbeats work for you for 20+ years?

[Like It Is]

111. They did their job.

They were union steelworkers, they did their job. They just abused their credit. Not my problem.

[demommom]

95. Yes!

You are right, Like It Is!

[demommom]

94. You and I pay for bankruptcies!

[BlooInBloo]

4. Because it's close to true. And rightly so.

[cboy4]

5. What do you mean it's rightly so?

[BlooInBloo]

7. You can google. (I have to go soon, and don't have time to argue.)

[cboy4]

10. I don't understand what your point is.

Google what?

[jillan]

6. Wrong -

I support Biden 100%!

We are here, we are around.

and btw, did you know that Hillary's top supporter is Citicorp?
MBNA is Biden's 5th $$ supporter. Just an important fact to know around here.
Not to use it against Hillary, but to defend Joe.


Nice to meet you:hi:

[cboy4]

12. Interesting. Well, I don't hate the other candidates, which

supporters of those other candidates like to accuse me of doing.

I'm just sick of people making me feel like I'm supporting a Republican.

Nice to meet you to. :hi:

[jillan]

15. I know

I started a thread in GD-P discussing this very thing.

Biden does get trashed around here, but not as bad as Hillary or Obama or Edwards - whew.
The only difference is they have more supporters here than Biden.

[Like It Is]

57. BE Moderate

Quit hanging around with all those ultra liberals. Winston Churchill once said "When you're in your twenties and not liberal, you have no heart. When you reach your forties and you're not conservative you have no head". Personally, I prefer the middle, be a Moderate.

[cboy4]

77. I didn't realize I hang around "ultra liberals." -- that's a generalization

on your part.

Personally, I dislike labels.

I have a mind, and I support whomever I think does (or will do) the best job.

If that person is so-called "moderate," then fine.

[SharonRB]

11. There are a lot of things I really like about Biden, too

Please don't feel bad. People should be having intelligent discussion and not making anyone feel bad about who they are supporting.

If Gore doesn't run, I think I'm going to vote for Richardson, but I've actually toyed with voting for Biden. Too early to make a decision and I'm holding out for Al anyway.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

13. He's Actually Been Quite Impressive So Far. I Give Him A Ton Of Credit.

I don't dislike him, and have even liked him a bit more recently, but for me it's more a matter of trust. For some reason I have a hard time trusting him.

[Bucky]

63. "A Ton of Credit" to Biden. Ha! I get it.

If there was Texas Democrat running, we'd cut him slack on helping the oil companies once in a while. If there was a Montana Democrat running we'd cut him slack on, I duuno, sheepfucking of something. Biden is good because he's suck a persuasive speaker. I doubt he'll get nominated. But if he does, he'd be the most likely to win in November.

That's not an endorsement by the way.

And I'm sorry that I called all Montanans sheepfuckers. I'm sure most aren't.

[cboy4]

75. Okay.....

"And I'm sorry that I called all Montanans sheepfuckers. I'm sure most aren't." :spray:


That is the funniest thing I've heard in a long time!!!!

[rox63]

16. Hey, I like Chris Dodd

So I know how you feel.

[jillan]

18. Hi Rox!

I like Dodd too. I hope he starts to do better soon....just as long as he stays behind Biden:P

[cboy4]

19. LOL

Chris is another good guy.

I like him also.

[Clark2008]

21. I like Joe Biden.

He, Al Gore and Orrin Hatch (of all people) teamed up to write legislation that would open campus police records back in the early 90s when I was in college. These records were closed as part of the Buckley Amendment of the Dept. of Education code. I understand protecting a student's transcript from public scrutiny, but crimes? Hardly.

Our student newspaper sued to open these records and won. However, had we not, Biden, Gore and Hatch were going to present this legislation to open them.

I'll always have a soft spot in my heart for those three men (even Hatch) because of their hard work on that issue.

[BeyondGeography]

22. I like Biden, more on a personal level than politically

Seems like a sweetheart of a guy. What strikes me is he drove home every night for years to be with his sons after the death of his wife and baby daughter in a car accident in 1972. Being a loyal father means a lot chez moi. He can be a little over-the-top sometimes but he doesn't appear to have a mean bone in his body. My two cents, for what it's worth.

[warren pease]

24. What do you like about him?

And even as a Eugene Debs socialist/anarchist, I'm not going to flame you. Just curious, cuz he doesn't do a hell of a lot for me.


wp

[cboy4]

25. I like him because I think he is very straight forward and

honest.

I remember before he announced his candidacy, when he was asked whether he was going to run, he said "yes."

Everyone else gave cryptic responses and it was so annoying because you knew they were going to run......and of course, they later announced that they were.

I think Biden tells it like it is, and while I don't agree with him about everything, I love how he just speaks his mind.

It's refreshing for a politician.

[warren pease]

27. OK Thanks. Seems reasonable. I'm a little tired of Gore's sitting on the fence act myself. n/t

[demommom]

100. Me, Too!

cboy4:
I like those things about him too. I also like that.. if he is asked about the same issue in several interviews or by several different groups,
he will give you the same answer, he doesn't change it according to how the "wind is blowing". :*

[Warpy]

28. You get to like who you like

All of them have done things that would allow me to strangle them with a smile on my face. None of them is the perfect candidate.

Either we can attack each other, or we can compare their strengths and offer constructive criticism of their weaknesses. They've all got both.

Biden's most obvious strength is his support from organized labor.

[cboy4]

31. "strangle them with a smile on my face.." LOL!!!

I might have to steal that line ;)

[chknltl]

81. I hope folks see what Warpy said:

"Either we can attack each other, or we can compare their strengths and offer constructive criticism of their weaknesses. They've all got both."

Warpy, I like what you say here, I like this enough to use as a sig line. May I use it and add: ":A fellow DUer named Warpy"?

I have and likely will continue to push and cajole my fellow DUers to calm down with the flames directed at the DU supporters and their candidate. Recently the "Senator Clinton" supporters and the "Hillary" haters have been going at it pretty hot but that's not saying it hasn't been going on everywhere else too. I am concerned that this attitude could cost the Democrats votes in the long run.

If I may rant a bit, (it is relevant, I am no writer so hang in there with me please): The last two Presidential elections were damned close, Sanity and Chaos teetered on a knife edge. For me the big picture includes the fact that deep inside each voter, regardless of party, was the need to do the right thing for America. We all felt that Democracy and the very ideals which we come to collectively call "America" were at stake. Think about it: is the typical republican voter some kind of idiot freeper? Of course not, most are average folks with average families and mortgages and back yard barbeque's and etc. They ain't all that different from you or I. They wanted what was best just as feverishly as we did. THIS HAS NOT CHANGED.

Yet instead of communication we get shouting and nobody listening to each other. Do any of you listen to any wisdom when it is shouted at you? Can you hear anything while shouting back? It is almost like we are kids in separate cars rolling down a freeway screaming at each other through our closed windows...all we see is anger and hate. NO COMMUNICATION, and we remain divided. Who won because of America being divided???? How many Americans, regardless of party can say "America Won"?

There is much of that going on right here in the DU. It is easy to see that we demonize the supporters of the Republican Party, we call em repukes or pukes or whatever. We accuse them of supporting the things we feel are bad for America and it's future. We are ready to scream at them whenever and wherever! With the future elections coming up we now do this to each other here in the DU to an alarming degree. Her name is Senator Clinton...not "h"illary for instance and she is a Democrat, not a "repuke lite". The fact that she is a front-runner has brought out the haters and yes they are shouting, the supporters are shouting back. I use her here as an example because it is the most common example of what I am talking about. It goes on in many if not most threads which start out to show support for or detract from any candidate. I have heard some fairly nasty things about Wesley Clark and he is not even running!

Something which concerns me are those folks who say that they will NOT vote for "fill in the blank", PERIOD. I have my issue with Wesley Clark but I do understand this: if for some reason he gets the Democratic Nomination he will need each and every one of us! Clark supporters here can count on me. I will fight for each and every vote I can get for him from as many of my fellow DUers as I can reach. This goes for every candidate and potential candidate from Al to Wes! I say this because the alternative, a Republican, is absolutely the last thing this world needs as a POTUS.

My concerns are that the shouting tends to de-energize our base to a slight degree, some of our base get angry enough to just walk off. I have heard my fellow DUers say that if so and so gets the nod they will not vote for him/her. If they carry out that threat they rob us of votes and weaken our chances here...we need them, we need them here fighting along side with us, we need not only their votes but the votes they can help generate too. It is noble for Al Gore to say that Ralph Nader did NOT cost him the election...He blames himself for not reaching out just a little better. I would also argue that a few of the Nader supporters got hammered into their positions by our anger. How much different might our world have been if we could have checked our anger and salvaged a few of them for Al?

I wonder how many votes were lost in the last Presidential election from anger. I would bet that a little calm dialog could have wooed many of those voters back, especially if that calm dialog had been going on for months and months prior to the election. For example, I know of a nice elderly lady who is a Republican Precinct Commander. She sets up her booth many times during election season. She has had Democrat supporters come to her booth, generally to scream at her but she has also had her booth ransacked in front of her and she has been spit on a few times! Boy, what a great way to get the message out there guys! If only a calm Democrat could have offered to show her a little support, she was after all fighting for some of the same thing we are, she was after all practicing her right of free speech and doing so for America. I believe I'll be baking up cookies with red white and blue frosting on them and heading down to her booth for a chat...who knows, we may even discuss politics! (No I'll not be wearing my DU t-shirt.) I'll be the first to jump all over any of my fellow dems who show up at her booth as hooligans. (Can you see the potential dividends here? Especially with the Republican base in a bit of chaos right now...sneaky huh?)

I hope everyone who makes it this far into my rant can see my point. I know that it is impossible to calm down most of that anger but perhaps enough of it to make a difference. I am reaching out to the few of you who agree that the stakes are too high to remain divided. Perhaps those few of you can help me by pouring a little water on the flames now and then... Who knows, maybe a ripple effect can spread. Wouldn't that be something!

OP: you are NOT alone in your support for Senator Biden...this thread is a clear example of that as well as being a clear example of the problems I point out in my rant. I like Warpy's words here. I like the entire post. These words can work on a national level too. If indeed the next election teeters on a knifes edge, we need all the support we can get...we will get more of it through calm supportive dialog than from angry shouting...it could make a difference.

'Biden' detractors: We need you to place your country ahead of your vision for the Democratic Party.
No matter how bad you think this candidate is, no matter what your beef with him or his voting record is, it pales in comparison to how bad things will be if we wind up with a Republican President. The attitude: "He Hates Ecstasy" looks profoundly insignificant when compared to a candidate who openly says that they will consider using a Pre-emptive Nuke against Tehran. Go ahead, find a Republican candidate you feel will be better for the world than Senator Biden, name him! You know you can not because there isn't one. You know this fact too: The Republican as POTUS can turn our world far uglier than we can even imagine! Be truthful, could you have predicted the last 6 and a half years to be as bad as it has been? This is no longer about party or candidate, it is no longer about Right and Left, it is about RIGHT and WRONG. We need you fighting here with us if Joe Biden gets the nod and know that we will be in there fighting just as hard for your candidate if he or she gets it. We are your allies and we request that same help from you that you hope for from us should the situation favor your guy or gal.
(Yep you can count on us! :patriot: )

There is no question that BOTH parties are broken... I am urging folks to fix ours, if we do we will attract voters, INCLUDING DEMORALIZED REPUBLICANS. This we can do easier through calm supportive dialog as opposed to driving them away by shouting at and insulting them.

[demommom]

102. bravo!!

chknltl::applause:

Good Job!

[AndyTiedye]

29. Biden Will Not Soon Be Forgiven for the Rave Act

http://www.drugpolicy.org/communities/raveact/

[jillan]

34. There are 2 sides to every story

here is Biden's

http://biden.senate.gov/newsroom/details.cfm?id=183785

Recent statistics from the Partnership for a Drug Free America show that teen use of Ecstasy has increased 71 percent since 1999. Across the country, thousands of teenagers are treated for overdoses and Ecstasy-related heath problems in emergency rooms each year. Much of the abuse of Ecstasy and other club drugs happens at all-night dance parties known as "raves," where unscrupulous rave promoters do everything they can to profit from the illegal drug use at their events

It's just like the Bankruptcy bill - everyone talks about how it helps the credit card companies, but no one talks how it helps women (or men) that receive child support - how their spouse cannot claim bankruptcy to stop the payments. Credit card companies were only a portion of that bill.

or his recent vote to fund the troops - everyone slams him for that, but no one talks about how he fought so hard to prevent this

because the funding for better vehicles for our troops was in that bill, and Biden has received alot of support from the troops and their families for this.

[Hippo_Tron]

38. It's much harder to overturn legislation than it is to pass it

Maybe the bankruptcy bill had some good things in it, but we could have passed those things another time. The giveaways to the credit card companies are law now and they will be almost impossible to overturn.

[AndyTiedye]

50. He Snuck It Into an Unrelated Bill In the Conference Committee in the Dead of Night

We sent thousands of letters, faxes, and phone calls opposing that bill,
and had managed to get it killed the year before.
All of this public input was merely an annoyance to Biden, who snuck the Rave Act
into a different bill in a conference committee in the dead of night.

No chance for debate, or an up-or-down vote on the bill itself.

Biden places his own opinions above all others.

He did it again on the war. Tells us we have to go on funding the war indefinitely
or we're hurting the troops. Where have we heard that one before?

[jillan]

53. You are so wrong about his last vote for funding the troops

"Quite simply, we have formed Veterans for Biden because Sen. Biden has earned our trust and respect. We not only see his dedication to us – we feel it. We want our fellow veterans and their families to fully understand what is at stake in this election. For example, Sen. Biden recently voted to fund our troops in Iraq – which included money to produce the new MRAP vehicles – while the other Democratic candidates for President reversed their previous positions and voted ‘no.’
So when some elected officials now running for president cast a “political” vote against a bill that will fund life-saving equipment, we applaud Sen. Biden’s courage as he stood up and kept his promise to our troops to provide the best equipment available to protect them in battle. As Sen. Biden has said several times since casting what some viewed as an unpopular vote, “Some things are worth losing elections over.”

Quote is from JB White
White served in the U. S. Marine Corps for six years prior to joining the Army National Guard in 2002 to attend Officer Candidate School. Before he could finish OCS, his unit, the 168th Engineering Group, was deployed to Iraq in the spring of 2003 and served there until March 2004. Upon returning home, White was named director of a New York City pilot program designed to assist troops adjust to civilian life when they return from combat. The program, “Hope for New Veterans” helped secure housing and also focused on those suffering from Post Traumatic Stress Disorder.

Here's one worth reading:
http://www.windsofchange.net/archives/009616.php
In Praise of Senator Biden: Survivable Rides for the Troops
---------------------------------
Biden wants us out of Iraq - he does not want to fund the war indefinitely. He just wanted to get the MRAPs to the troops.
You do understand how important the MRAPs are, don't you?

[AndyTiedye]

101. So What Will Be His Excuse for Voting for the NEXT Iraq War Funding Bill?

Boosh** is holding our troops hostage to get continued funding for his war. Biden is aiding and abetting.

[Warren DeMontague]

51. So you think the late Bill Graham should have been put in prison for life.

Every single Grateful Dead show I ever went to- shit, pretty much every rock and roll concert period- would have qualified as a "criminal enterprise" under that incredibly badly crafted, idiotic, draconian legislation.

I suppose you never saw a band play where someone was smoking a joint in the audience.

Fuck Biden, his comb-over, his stupid fucking RAVE act, and his bloated god-damn ego. Feh.

[cboy4]

71. Any point you were attempting to make was nulified by your

juvenile comment about his "comb-over." :eyes:

How old are you? 3?

[Warren DeMontague]

98. Oh, okay.

Biden's a bloviating, egotistical fuck. With a bad comb-over. So sue me for speaking the truth.

At least people with bad comb-overs don't get sent to prison for decades based on some shitty, draconian legislation designed to make middle Merkin Parents feel "safe" that their kids are drinking malt liquor and beating the crap out of each other as Merkin teens are s'posed to, as opposed to going to raves and -oh noes!- dancing.

[AndyTiedye]

91. You and Biden Are Swallowing PDFA Propaganda Whole

Recent statistics from the Partnership for a Drug Free America show that teen use of Ecstasy has increased 71 percent since 1999.

Despite the Rave Act, and a nationwide effort to shut down anything resembling a rave. Shutting down raves doesn't stop kids from doing drugs. They may even do MORE as a result.

Much of the abuse of Ecstasy and other club drugs happens at all-night dance parties known as "raves," where unscrupulous rave promoters do everything they can to profit from the illegal drug use at their events

I have been going to raves for almost 15 years. DJ'ed at a some and been on the crew at some. I have yet to meet any of the "unscrupulous rave promoters" pushing drugs at their events.
Usually they are far too busy dealing with the sound, or we need more water, DJs whose flights got cancelled, etc. etc.
Besides. If rave promoters WERE selling drugs, they would be a really easy target for the narcs, and they would have gotten caught. That didn't happen.
Instead, they passed a law that makes owners/promoters/etc. accountable for the actions of their patrons -- Actions they could not prevent even if they strip-searched their patrons.

The potential of The Rave Act to stifle dissent has already started to be realized, as it has been used to prevent at least one demonstration.

It certainly hasn't stopped kids from doing drugs. It has stopped quite a few from dancing however. Was that the real goal?
There has always been a Puritan undercurrent in this country that detests dancing.
Well, they have largely succeeded. Most of the young people aren't dancing anymore. Maybe that's why they're getting fat. You just took away their best source of exercise.

[Name removed]

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[AndyTiedye]

96. Just Give Me Some Good Music and Enough Room to Dance

99.99% of the public don't even know what you're talking about

It is true that most Americans do not dance. I :cry: for them. And for you. And for our country.

Go have some more Ecstasy.

I don't need it. All I have to do is dance.

[Warren DeMontague]

99. And 60% of the public still thinks Saddam Hussein was behind 9-11.

Sorry, "the public" has its head up its ass about a lot of things. And the "drug war" is a fucking WASTE of time and YOUR TAX DOLLARS. You like spending $40 Billion a year trying to keep cancer grannies and Willie Nelson from smoking pot? You like the fact that rapists and murderers are let out of prison cells to make room for mandatory minimum sentenced non-violent drug users whose only crime is indulging in a chemical the state has deemed "forbidden"?

Of course you do, Mr. Pithy one-line snotty comment. Welcome to DU. Enjoy Your Stay.

[Sparkly]

32. I don't dislike him.

I think he has a lot of strengths.

[Avalux]

33. It's OK to like him - I like him.

I just don't think he'd be an effective president; we need someone who will shake things up and cause change. As soon as we have such a candidate, I'll let you know. ;-)

[Captain Hilts]

35. Because DU skews waaaay left. It's okay. Support Biden! We want some competitive primaries.

[cboy4]

36. Yea, it was more of a rhetorical question, but I understand what

you're saying.

[Greyhound]

58. ROTFLMAO

:rofl:"waaaay left":rofl:

[butterfly77]

37. I like Biden also,,,

and I think that he will be able to stand up to the republicons, when they spout some insignificant bull---- in a debate. I like all of the candidates in one way or the other.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

39. You're not. Biden's a Democrat and he like Biden a lot.

Particularly the sound of his own voice.

[proud2BlibKansan]

40. Two words:

Bankruptcy Bill.

[cboy4]

43. Right. I bet I can go down the list and come up with something

negative about whoever you're voting for.

I'm not saying you have to vote for Biden.

I'm saying some people are going way overboard in their criticism about a man who is, in my opinion, a very decent person.

[Warren DeMontague]

105. So if overall, he had a "decent" track record, he just was responsible for legislation that

put the owners and operators of gay bars in prison for 10-20 years.. you know, because gay bars represent such a threat to American youth...

would you be okay with that, too?

[DefenseLawyer]

41. Joe Biden passes my first test

He's not an idiot. But I have a lot of other tests.

[Hippo_Tron]

42. Clarence Thomas

Biden could have stopped Thomas from getting on the bench and he didn't. I can't count the number of bad decisions that have been handed down because of Clarence Thomas.

[cboy4]

44. So is Biden the only candidate who didn't "stop" Thomas from

getting to the bench??

[Gabi Hayes]

48. if you did a little reading on the subject, you wouldn't have needed to ask that

question

[cboy4]

66. Listen smart ass, I don't need your condescending bullshit.

Because I can be a real dick.

[Hippo_Tron]

84. He was chairman of the judiciary committee

And he did not aggressively defend Anita Hill.

[jillan]

54. Why don't you at least thank him for stopping Bork?

Biden should have done better stopping Thomas from getting on the bench, but at least he stopped Bork.

[Hippo_Tron]

85. Anita Hill was enough to stop Thomas and Biden blew it

[Like It Is]

61. Please Elaborate!

How could he have single handedly have stopped Thomas? Give us a link.

[Like It Is]

65. Biden voted NO on Clarence Thomas!

Thomas was approved by a 52 to 48 vote because of Southern Democrats voting with the Republicans. Like John Breaux D of La. - Sam Nunn D of Ga. - Richard Shelby D of Al. (Shelby is now a Republican) Joe Biden voted NO.

[mrigirl]

45. not the only Biden supporter

Just so you know- you're not the only one out there who thinks
Biden is the right guy for the job. He may not have funding
like Hillary and Obama but that's becuase he doesn't have
corporate America in his pocket. Biden isn't out to kiss
everyone's a** and he doesn't want the Presidency for his own
political agenda. He's actually looking out for us- American
Citizens. Biden has the most experience out of any candidate
running and he's an expert on foreign policy and he has a PLAN
for this country to get us back on track from everything from
Iraq to Homeland Security to Health Care. Why do people only
see that he's not super rich like Hillary and automatically
disqualify him as a potential candidate? Since when did how
much money you have determine who's the smartest and brightest
for the job?
                  BIDEN 2008!!!

[WilliamPitt]

46. Because you spend too much time on DU.

:shrug:

[HCE SuiGeneris]

49. Joe who??? n/t

[lonestarnot]

52. Oh man, that's terrible.

I like all of them, but I have my favorite. So far Dennis is the man for me.

[cboy4]

67. Well I don't have a single negative thing to say about Dennis K.

He is just a wonderful human being. ;)

[snowbear]

55. You're not the only one.. there's a dude on DU/Politics that even has his avatar..

So don't cry.

If I can remember who it was.. I'll send 'em over to this thread.

~~

[cboy4]

68. Thanks larissa.....I'm receiving some very nice responses

which are helping me realize that of course, I'm not alone! :hug:

[Divine Discontent]

72. hey hey>>>>>

what the heck are you doing hugging others? and then I read this from you above, "I'm supporting a Republican"

what's happened to us cboy4? I'm all emotional.

(and by the way, I CRACKED UP when you yelled at the meany above telling you about Biden and Thomas! I laughed, it felt good, and it felt even better when someone researched and saw he voted against Thomas' nomination (I'll trust that's true).

I like Joe, he's my 5th choice out of the 10 we have and the ones who aren't running (yet), Clark, Gore, Edwards, Kooch, then Biden. And he's the last one in my top tier until you get down to people I wish weren't running this time (Richardson, Obama, Dodd, Gravel & Clinton). I will vote dem regardless unless an independent candidate is amazing and our party picks ones of the ones I don't just love!

oh, and btw, you deserve a hug for being so likable and bitchy, it makes my day to see you post and be funny and political all in one thread...
:hug:

[cboy4]

74. wutchu talking about willis?! I said I'm made to feel like I'm supporting

a Republican when I'm attacked for thinking Biden is a nice, honest, decent person!

I didn't say that "I'm supporting a Republican!" (Then again, maybe I misunderstood what you meant!).

Anyway, I'm not sure who I'm voting for yet. However, I have to admit I have a soft spot in my heart for Dennis K. because of his unwavering support for gay equal rights, and the only one who supports marriage.

The bottom line is I'll be supporting whichever (D) is ultimately nominated!

Awww, I'm glad I made your day. :)

You'd think more people would know by now not to engage me in nasty sarcasm.

I may not be the absolute smartest person at DU when it comes to politics, but nobody can win a war of insults with me.

I'll tell you that right now.

hehe :hug:

[Greyhound]

62. Why vote for him?

He's way too corporate for me, but why do you think he would e a good President?

[cboy4]

69. I didn't say I was going to vote for him....I haven't decided who

I'm going to vote for.

But as I told someone else in this thread who asked me the same question:


I like Biden because I think he is very straight forward and honest.

I remember before he announced his candidacy, when he was asked whether he was going to run, he said "yes."

Everyone else gave cryptic responses and it was so annoying because you knew they were going to run......and of course, they later announced that they were.

I think Biden tells it like it is, and while I don't agree with him about everything, I love how he just speaks his mind.

It's refreshing for a politician.

I could end up voting for Dennis K.

My main point was simply that I think Joe is a decent person, yet when I mention his name around here, I receive a lot of negative responses as though people think I'm supporting a Republican or something.

[Greyhound]

114. All because of his advocacy of the Corporatocracy, here. Anybody

that has been the victim of his crimes will never vote for him, and most of their friends that have seen the lives he's destroyed with this assault on the citizens won't either.

He'll never be a serious candidate for any national office because he's ruined too many lives on behalf of his corporate masters.

ETA: I was asking why would/should he get my vote, being likable or honestly telling you that he is willing to destroy your life and family is no qualification, as we've seen for the last 6 years.

[Tatiana]

64. Well, I don't "dislike" him. But I feel he's too much of a moderate.

He's always talking about working across the aisle, compromising, etc. Although these things are necessary to pass legislation at times, sometimes you have to draw a line in the sand. He's hardly ever willing to draw the line and tell the Republicans no way on a horrendous bill. He likes to play it safe too much, in my opinion. That said, he's certainly intelligent and more than qualified (given our lowered standards) to be President of the United States.

[cboy4]

70. Oh come on. That's a little insulting inferring that he's only

qualified to be president because of "our lowered standards."

He's very qualified to be president.

It's fair to argue you don't want him to be president because you disagree with his politics.

But it's unfair to throw a thinly veiled insult about his capabilities to do the job.

And you know you intentionally did that.

[Tatiana]

104. Yes, that was insulting. I apologize.

Joe Biden still frustrates me and I wish he'd get off the "I always need to work with Republicans because it's the right thing to do" kick. I'd like him a lot more.

He's very intelligent, which is why it is so baffling that he ends up on the wrong end of so many critical issues in the areas of civil liberties and military policy. He knows better. He's just throwing the Republicans a bone, which I can't stand. I much prefer someone like a Russ Feingold.

[jillan]

88. I respectfully disagree - compared to the other candidates

Biden does not play it safe.

He speaks from his heart. An example of that was his recent appearance on MTP. Timmy asked him a question, and Biden started his answer with "My advisors are going to kill me for saying this, but...." (paraphrasing). You don't hear that too often.

And if he wanted to play it safe, he would have voted no on the recent funding bill, and would have waited until the end to cast his vote.... but he didn't.... he announced 2 days before the vote how he was going to vote, and why (the funding for the MRAPs)

I am glad Biden wants to reach across the aisle, because the partisianship is stopping anything from getting done in DC.

[Tatiana]

103. Partisanship is needed in critical areas of policy.

If we'd been "partisan" during the Patriot Act (I or II) or the IWR, we might not be suffering the consequences of those pieces of legislation. Bipartisanship left us with NCLB, a totally warped version of what Ted Kennedy had in mind. Yes, I understand that bipartisanship is necessary, but our current group of leaders don't seem to have the savvy of a Tip O'Neil to achieve OUR policy goals. Instead we always seem to cave in to the right and I'm quite tired of it.

Here's just a small example of why Joe Biden (who I really want to and could like) frustrates me:

Title: PBS NewsHour with Jim Lehrer Transcript
Date: 2003-01-29


JIM LEHRER: Sen. Biden on Sec. Powell's appearance before the Security Council next week, he said today he was going to say some things that were already in the public record. Expand on them a little bit. Some things had been given to the inspectors that the world don't know but also new things. Have you and other members of the United States Senate been told things that the rest of us don't know?

SEN. JOSEPH BIDEN: I think so. I hope so. Let me explain. I'm not being facetious. I think there is credible circumstantial evidence coupled with the material breach that exists now as Sen. Lugar pointed out. We know what he had before; the whole world acknowledged it. We know he says he doesn't have it know. He says he doesn't have it now and he hasn't explained it—couple that with I think the circumstantial evidence that if I were a lawyer before a jury, I believe I could convict you before the jury with this evidence. That says, look, we have intercepted these various communications where Charlie says I am making this up—hide the stuff. They are on the way—that kind of circumstantial evidence is opposed to being able to produce a photograph like what occurred with Adelaide Stevenson of showing the missile sites in Cuba. But I think there is evidence.

JIM LEHRER: Let me be specific. Based on what you know now, and assuming that that information is what Sec. Powell is going to present on Wednesday, a week from today, is that enough to bring France and Germany and the Security Council on board for military action?

SEN. JOSEPH BIDEN: I'm not being facetious when I say nothing is enough to bring Germany on board. I think Germany will not in any circumstances be involved. The best we can hope from Germany, in my view, is they abstain, they abstain from voting. They don't have a veto so they can't stop it. France I think, it d, there are not many strong European leaders right now—by that I mean leaders with the overwhelming support of their publics. Their publics are overwhelmingly opposed to war. Even though they know as Dick implied earlier, I think he said earlier, that these leaders know Saddam is in material breach, they need more to have the nerve to go to their publics and take them on. My hope is that this will give France enough to be able to have Chirac stand up and say, look, it's undeniable; we have to go with the United States. I think that is a reasonable prospect. I never have underestimated the diplomatic prowess of Mr. Powell nor the unwillingness of France to be left behind.

JIM LEHRER: Do you agree with that, Sen. Lugar?

SEN. RICHARD LUGAR: Yes, I do. <Me: Of course he does...>

So here, we have Biden exhibiting a very good understanding of international political dynamics. But he's very derisive of the will of the European people. They were overwhelmingly against this war. And Joe's POV seems to be, hey European leaders, you're wimps. Go stand up to them and tell them how it is. Oh, and hopefully Powell can convince France to come along with us, because you know silly little France won't want to be left behind.

His arrogance is just... disappointing. I mean, that's how the Republicans think. I expect more of our Democrats.

[Byronic]

76. You are CERTAINLY not alone!

It might seem like that sometimes cboy4, but you are certainly not alone in admiring Joe Biden. He isn't very popular on DU, but that suits me just fine. I stopped hanging around with the cool kids that day I left school (actually, even at school, I was more into hairplugs and foreign policy discussions, so perhaps the seed was sown even there).

You are right. Biden will tell you where he stands. Admittedly sometimes he will take several hours telling you where he stands, and go off on a hundred different tangents, but that's just Joe. At least when he goes off on one of his intellectual wanders in the woods, it displays the breadth of knowledge and experience the man actually has, and, to be fair, he has not had this problem during the debates. In the debates so far he has been focused, intense, and immensely effective. He would demolish ANY Republican nominee in a presidential debate.

The primaries give you the chance to vote with your heart. Certainly far more than a general election does. If your heart tells you to support Joe Biden, then follow it.

I get the feeling, at times, that Biden is something of a guilty pleasure for many who post at DU. He is like the slightly naff band that we only listen to in the privacy of our own room, first checking that nobody is around to overhear. He is the CD we own that we wouldn't dare show off. It is hidden at the back of our collection. But it is listened to more than most.

Deep down, very deep, I reckon there is a fair bit of admiration and, dare I say it, latent affection for Ol' Joe on DU.

Or, you could all really hate him.

Either way, he is the best man for the job in my eyes, he has substance, knowledge, experience, and that's what we need in a president. We have had a Lightweight in the Oval Office since 2001. It's time for a Heavyweight.

So, get your hairplugs out, start calling everybody 'man', get a Biden 2008 sticker, and wear it with pride!

[cboy4]

78. Great post! It made me giggle and in a good way!

Thanks for writing. :)

[Byronic]

79. No problem!

Very encouraging to hear that you are tempted to come out of the Biden 'closet'.

We are here to support you when you make that important step ;)

[cboy4]

83. LOL.....I feel like I'm being recruited to attend AA meetings!!

hehehe :)

[skyblue]

80. I like Biden

He's got balls, he won't take shit, attacks well on debates while keeping his head, has baggage but not so much as others, appeals to seniors. For Americans with lookism he appears similar to past presidents. He appeals more g e n e r a l l y.

[mrigirl]

82. Join us Biden Supporters

Byronic,
After reading your post I invite you to join us Biden supporters on msn.com. Under the Politics section front page is a link on the right sidebar for the Presidential candidates. Joe Biden's front page links to What do you think of his Candidacy? This thread has been around for a while and there are quite a few of us who post freqeuntly there.
We are always open to new people who support the Biden cause!!!
mri girl/demma

[demommom]

106. Mri girl/demma

:hi:
Glad to see you made it. Welcome!

[Byronic]

112. Be there in a jiffy!

Thanks for the invite!

[rasputin1952]

86. You can like anyone you please...(well except for bush)...

:evilgrin:

Don't let others get to you...most don't know much about candidates anyway...:D

I haven't found any D yet I can back, but it's early yet.

[Jillian]

89. Check out this Op-Ed

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07160/792689-110.stm
The June 5 column "Biden Stands Out" by E.J. Dionne Jr. is fascinating. The fact that Joe Biden has more than twice the national political experience of the top three Democratic presidential candidates combined (Clinton, Obama and Edwards) and gets one-tenth the coverage demonstrates the power the media have in influencing the voters.

Star power, not qualifications, dictates who gets the much-needed exposure required to win a presidential election. John Edwards, who feels he can better serve the country as a full-time presidential campaigner than as a U.S. senator, quit after only one term in the Senate. Hillary Clinton, whose claim to fame is she is married to Bill, is working on her second term in the Senate. Barack Obama has a whopping three years' experience in the U.S. Senate but for some reason feels he is qualified to run the most powerful country on Earth. At least Sen. Obama has seven years' experience in the Illinois Senate.

Personally, I would like to think being president of the United States requires a resume closer to what Joe Biden offers, rather than our three leading star power candidates. I haven't made up my mind yet, and I won't for a long time, but at this stage I do like what Joe Biden brings to the table.

[demommom]

92. You are not alone in liking Biden!

:hi:
cboy4:
You are not alone in liking Biden. I am a Biden supporter and there are a few of us here on this site.
I know how you feel, When I first joined I got beat up pretty good too.
Don't let it get to you. Go over to www.bidenforpresident.com and look over his blog, news,press releases, and videos. Also check out his MSNBC candidate page. I guarantee you, you will be welcomed and appreciated. You'll also realize you are not alone.
Remember, there is a way to go yet and Biden is starting to get more attention all the time. :toast:

[treestar]

93. One thing highly in his favor

He apparently has developed a great body of knowledge about Iraq, which the next President will need.

His weakness might be that he's been a Senator since he was 30 years old - so he has hardly any real world life experience. Then again, that might not be so much needed at this point, in the presidency.

[windy252]

97. Oh my gosh,

I've been looking for a poster on this board that likes Biden. What do you like about him?

[demommom]

107. Some of the things I like about Senator Biden.

I am from Delaware and have supported Senator Biden for a very long time.
I have always found him to be straight forward and honest. He cares about the middle class and the working man. He knows what it is to have to make the hard choices in order to send his son to college.
In spite of what some think, he is not owned by anyone. His campaign would have more money if he was. Most of his contributions come from the average working person.

Senator Biden does not change his positions for political gain. He stands on his principals even when it may be a political risk to do so.
I like that he can successfully work in a bipartisan way and I believe that he can restore our place of respect in the world. I agree with most of his positions on the issues. He has a long history with First Responders and Law Enforcement. And each time I contribute to his campaign, I receive a note of appreciation from him.

:patriot:

[ourbluenation]

108. I think he's auditioning for sec of state. I dont think he ever had any expectations of actually

winning the primaries. and you know what - i think he'd make a damn fine sec of state.

[Like It Is]

109. I'd prefer he be president.

Biden is without a doubt the best candidate going. Be it Democrat, Republican, Independent or you name it. He just stands out above the field.

[ourbluenation]

113. yeah, but he would make a great sec of state. read on...and welcome to DU

:hi:

http://www.observer.com/2007/candidate-secretary-state?page=0%2C0

Officially, Joe Biden is running for the Democratic nomination for President of the United States. And if, as expected, his underfunded and overlooked candidacy tanks in the early primary and caucus states next January, he’ll probably end up seeking—and winning—a seventh term in the United States Senate in the fall of 2008.

But the job Mr. Biden may really be eyeing is that of Secretary of State.

It’s a post for which the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, whose foreign-policy conversance was on full display in the most recent Presidential debate, is impeccably qualified. Indeed, Mr. Biden and Richard Holbrooke supposedly constituted John Kerry’s short list for Secretary of State had the 2004 race turned out differently. And the workload under a new Democratic President in 2009 would be full of challenges and potential rewards, a chance to clean up the global diplomatic mess created by the current administration.

snip

When the Democratic field squared off for the first time on April 26, Mr. Biden pointedly shot down the idea that Mrs. Clinton would be weak in a general election, asserting that “whoever wishes for Hillary is making a big mistake on the Republican side.” When the debate ended, the MSNBC cameras caught Mr. Biden and Mrs. Clinton warmly embracing.

snip

Mr. Biden’s new, deferential tone is not standard practice for a scrappy underdog looking to exploit any and every opening. It is, rather, the strategy of a political lifer who appreciates the wisdom of Buddy Cianci, the former Providence mayor who once cautioned that in politics “the toes you’re stepping on today may be connected to the ass you have to kiss tomorrow.”

[frogcycle]

110. i like him a ton

warts and all

[Orsino]

115. Obviously, you aren't.

However, I would have thought that reasons not to like him were just as obvious. If you've run across some of them, perhaps you would care to help bring them to his attention? If you really like him, consider helping make him a better candidate.

[LordJFT]

116. The democrats were elected to end the war

and thanks to biden and some others they blew their best chance. This could hurt us in the next election.