GORE WILL run and WIN. Here’s WHY? See what happens to your shoreline.

[autorank]

Presidential hopefuls are running around trying to look presidential while they really look silly. McCain said this about Mitt; Hillary and Barack k square off with sponge bats; the rest, except Gravel, are also on Issue Stall.

So I guarantee a Gore run and win. Here’s why.

Gore is clearly identified with environmental issues. All that bad publicity the Republicans thought that they generated has now come home to roost.

Gore is well known for his focus eon global warming and sea level rise.

“Management” and it’s PR shop, the mainstream/corporamedia has not tsn’t taken the plunge yet it a big way, but it has finally happened.

Check this out on AOL…amazing impact photos.

Rising Tides Threaten to Destroy US Beaches

AOL is under stating the problem, as usual. It is not about “beaches,” it’s about civilization. They’re conservative. The truth won’t hold back, it’s a monster on this issue. So here’s some truth.

The Earth today stands in imminent peril, and nothing short of a planetary rescue will save it from the environmental cataclysm of dangerous climate change. Those are not the words of eco-warriors but the considered opinion of a group of eminent scientists writing in a peer-reviewed scientific journal. The Independent

1 meter rise in sea level – coming your way in a few decades.

This from the University of ArizoGeo sciencesces Lab, a serious outfit. This will come gradually and the impact will start in 1yearssrs, by consensus. Those who say that there are two sides to this issue are either fools (like that guy who stayed on Mt. Saint Helens) or on somebody’s payroll.

When you finish viewing these inevitabilities (not if but when), ask yourselves:

DO I WANT THE VERY BEST PERSON AVAILABLEELE TO RUN THIS COUNTRY AND WORK THIS JUST AS HARD AS POSSIBLE? Or do I want some one else.?

FLORIDA


EAST COAST


LOUISIANA.

Now who are you going to call – the Kabuki Troop or the guy below, who
has been honest about this the whole time…IT’S HIS TIME. GORE 2008

[madokie]

1. theres no doubt in my mind that Al is going to be our next President

and be elected with a larger majority than any other President in history

[autorank]

3. Yep, he'll lay on a smack down that even the "vote villians" can't steal.

NFW he's going to be stopped. It's his destiny, calling, and duty.

[madokie]

4. You got that right

[tbyg52]

35. They'll still try--junk the DREs! nt

[galloglas]

38. And the OpScams!!

Hand Count Paper Ballots !!!

[robinlynne]

44. opscams is great! Especially since people are touting them as our "saviours" from dres...

[dtotire]

15. Can Only Hope n/t

[autorank]

62. Hope from Jan. 16, 2006, Constitution Hall, Washington, DC

But surprisingly, the President's soothing statements turned out to be false. Moreover, as soon as this massive domestic spying program was uncovered by the press, the President not only confirmed that the story was true, but also declared that he has no intention of bringing these wholesale invasions of privacy to an end.

At present, we still have much to learn about the NSA's domestic surveillance. What we do know about this pervasive wiretapping virtually compels the conclusion that the President of the United States has been breaking the law repeatedly and persistently.

A president who breaks the law is a threat to the very structure of our government. Our Founding Fathers were adamant that they had established a government of laws and not men. Indeed, they recognized that the structure of government they had enshrined in our Constitution - our system of checks and balances - was designed with a central purpose of ensuring that it would govern through the rule of law. As John Adams said: "The executive shall never exercise the legislative and judicial powers, or either of them, to the end that it may be a government of laws and not of men."

An executive who arrogates to himself the power to ignore the legitimate legislative directives of the Congress or to act free of the check of the judiciary becomes the central threat that the Founders sought to nullify in the Constitution - an all-powerful executive too reminiscent of the King from whom they had broken free. In the words of James Madison, "the accumulation of all powers, legislative, executive, and judiciary, in the same hands, whether of one, a few, or many, and whether hereditary, self-appointed, or elective, may justly be pronounced the very definition of tyranny."

Thomas Paine, whose pamphlet, "On Common Sense" ignited the American Revolution, succinctly described America's alternative. Here, he said, we intended to make certain that "the law is king."

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0601/S00121.htm

One of the boldest political speeches in decades.

Today’s speech was no ordinary political event. It represented one of the boldest political attacks on the President by a major leader since the Civil War. A former Vice President, Senator, member of the House of Representatives, has just accused the President of the United States of willfully lying to the people of the United States in order to accumulate unconstitutional powers, subvert the Constitution, and change the face of American democracy from a government that seeks the rule of law to one that relies on the rule of men, in this case President George W. Bush. Lincoln was attacked for trying to ruin a way of life and accused of destroying the fabric of the constitution. Roosevelt was charged with trying to create a welfare state. Nixon was accused of specific crimes which violated his oath of office. But no President since the Civil War has been accused by a former Vice President or President of deliberately trying to end Constitutional rule through the unlawful accumulation of power; trying to impose tyranny on the people of the United States.

It was a remarkable speech that will send shockwaves across the political spectrum for years to come.
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0601/S00122.htm

[nradisic]

19. From your mouth...to God's ears...

I also believe that Al will jump in and get 65% of the vote, along with a veto proof majority in the House and Senate. Only then can WE as a nation, along with Al Gore's leadership begin to change the world for the better. Then we can concentrate on fighting Global Warming, getting health care to all, changing the tax structure, media reform, making corporations pay their share and improving our education system. The only way that will get done is if we not only win the White House, but we win veto proof majorities in both houses. We can completely ignore the Republicans, as they have ignored America for the last 6 years and let them ear crow, while we show them how to govern.

[DemoTex]

56. Methinks you are 100% correct, madokie.

And mehopes, too. Where do I get my Gore '08 bumperstickers?

[connecticut yankee]

102. Yeah, but

how do we get him to run?

[Hubert Flottz]

2. OMG...there goes Kenny-Bum-Pork and the compound W!

Al Gore is a winner.

Edit...Bush is a natural born loser!

[autorank]

6. Amazing isn't it.

The AOL piece pretends like this is "oh so new." Bull shit. This has been out there, in this form for a year or two, and the threat has been there much longer, just with less data than we have now.

I say those who mislead and those who participated in that knowingly (i.e., the corporate neanderthals and theif flunkies plus MSM clowns) pay the price for
conspiracy to deceive and damage. Don't know if that's a crime, but what the
heck, here comes the judge, and it's us.

[Hubert Flottz]

14. You know who will pay...

The poor working people who pay taxes and insurance premiums, nationwide. One meter sea level rise, is just the beginning of what we are really going to get, when the storm serge from those then to be everyday super storms come ashore. Violent weather, huge forest fires and failing crops are not on that map, but they're coming too.

[GeorgeGist]

5. Maybe Gore deserves better ...

than to be President of the USA.

[autorank]

9. Probably does but we deserve to live as do our kids...in some sort of sane world.

There is NOBODY out there talking about this except him. Sure they write a book or mention it but GORE has the urgency and the track record. Of all the world leaders, current and former, he's the ONLY ONE who spoke/speaks up. Of all the leaders in this country, he's the ONLY ONE who spoke up/speaks up with URGENCY. He's the one.

I think that he wasn't sure he wanted to be president in 2000.

I think that now or soon, he'll realize that he has to be president and accept his
destiny. It's really frightening to look at all the candidates and see how myopic
they are on the greatest challenge to civilization and the human species ever.

We literally face total chaos. Multiply Katrina by 1000 and more.

We may be able to mitigate, not stop this, but not with people not clever or smart
enough to be ringing the alarm bell. He's it,

AL'S "THE ONE"

[RestoreGore]

30. Then it is up to you to make it so

[autorank]

10. oops, double post...

:)

[Canuckistanian]

23. That's what I fear

Al Gore is a leading INTERNATIONAL leader in the fight against Global Warming. Losing him to petty squabbles over irrelevant details such as stem cell "debates" or religion in school or flag burning would be a tragedy.

Let's hope that Dems have a majority in Congress or else NOTHING of value will be accomplished.

There are some painfully obvious realities to be dealt with and an obstructionist, partisan group of Republicans could destroy any chance of real change.

[autorank]

81. With a powerhouse at the head of the ticket we can add to Congress...

We have some nice opportunities in the Senate. The West knows what all this mean so as the issue matures, and they find out about the impact, which will be profound out there, they'll not care two wits for the Republicans. We're truly in an major defensive scenario...what can we save, how soon, what do we have to do? There's nothing like a death sentence to focus the mind. That's where this is at.

We're talking populism...the ruling class blew it. They're going down with us but they don't admit that. The worst leadership in the history of the world, right here in DC, the Republicans who fiddled while Rome burned, starved, dehydrated...the list is endless. This is the "big bang" that won't stop.

[RestoreGore]

29. You got that right

[Jackpine Radical]

52. You're right, he does.

But you know about dharma, right?

[babylonsister]

7. You're singing to the choir here, but

Tweety said if he wins the Peace prize this fall, he wouldn't want to sully that by running for prez. I'm so confused! And even though I haven't declared for anyone, Mr. Gore would get a lot of my attention.
And PS, WHY would he want to put himself through that again? If the answer is to make a bigger, more important difference, I'm going to be all ears.


:hi:

And PPS, do you REALLY like to break dance? :7

[autorank]

12. "Sell on the Tweetie"

I heard that and thought, what a total ass hat he is.

What better catapult could he have than the prise.

Tweetie liked Bush after all:)

Watch him go to Florida, Supreme Court steps, and declare there; run in that primary and
dare DNC to deny hiim the delegates. Instant populist, wins Florida for sure in the
general and captures everyones imagination.

It's got to happen.

[tbyg52]

41. Sully? *Sully*?!

Well, we know what he thinks of the office of Chief Executive of our country, I guess.

It wasn't always the cesspool the cabal has made of it!

[XemaSab]

8. I love how the article says

that the shoreline could move up to 10,000 feet inland. :eyes:

The beaches here in California are typically about 200-500 feet wide. :eyes: :eyes:

So where's that other 9,500 feet going to come from? :eyes: :eyes: :eyes:

[autorank]

11. Check out that U of A geosciences site. CA is not evenly hit.

The Delta area around Stockton is in for rough sleding and parts of the San Francisco
Bay (this breaks my heart, I'm a California native). But it's not nearly as bad as
Florida (and I've never believed that earth quake crap about the state becoming an
island).

But this is real. Nobody disagrees on the assumptions; nobody who isn't paid in some
way by a faction of big energy.

[XemaSab]

18. I'm familiar with the topography of California

I'm just sayin' that maybe the beaches in some magical state elsewhere are 10,000 feet wide, but I ain't seen it in Cali, Oregon, Washington, Alaska, Texas, Florida, South Carolina, North Carolina, Virginia, Delaware, Maryland, New Hampshire, or Maine. :hi:

The article also doesn't mention how wave action on a different level will effect shoreline erosion in areas WAY above 1 meter.

Coastal erosion will take out some major stuff. :(

[kestrel91316]

39. Since when does this catastrophe require "beaches that are

10,000 ft wide"??? All it takes is extremely flat land going inland that far.

[Webster Green]

100. That's exactly what the poster is saying..

The media is characterizing it as beach damage.

[stellanoir]

22. That U of A geoscience site is a pain in the butt to maneuver around or

I am a cyber ninnie or maybe both.

Just keep on getting toolbar and map area options that go 'round and 'round and show me no maps. Weird.

Oh and Happy Uranus retro as of 5 minutes ago. That might be part of the problem as well.

[autorank]

75. Stella, mon ami, mon cheri! ...just for you...

Go here. It's the "hot spot," look for regions of the world with live links to the right...move the cursor over the live link, click, VOILA! It's map time. They even have animations. Kind of like those Transformer toons.

[oldgrowth]

20. So you will have no beaches

[XemaSab]

21. On the birght side

the office will be under water. :D

See, always a silver lining! :D

[autorank]

76. That's right, but then they could require us to grow gills or else...

[DKRC]

46. New beaches in different places nt

[kestrel91316]

36. That would only happen where the oceanside land is VERY flat.

Obviously NOT in CA.

Have a look at south FL, and DE/MD, and the entire Gulf Coast.

[XemaSab]

45. I did have a look at those areas

I was being facetious. :D

(But there are parts of California where a 1m rise would wreak mega havoc, totally changing the state. Like the Delta. :P )

[kestrel91316]

50. Yeah, there's the Delta..........glad I don't live THERE.....

[autorank]

77. Can you tell us more about the Delta. I heard about that just recently.

Something about an inland sea? Not fair. They finally get a UC campus and then this!

[XemaSab]

90. Basically

Right now the brackish limit of salt and fresh water occurs in the area of the northeast tip of San Francisco bay. There's a large zone of mixing that changes depending on the tide. Most of the water in most of the Delta is fresh runoff from the Sacramento, San Joaquin, and every other river in the central part of the state. But most of the water is flowing into the Delta from the north. Cities like LA just basically tap into this giant watery area for water, so even though they may "own" the rights to a river far to the north of the Delta area, they can tap it out of the southern Delta because it's all mixed together and going to the same place.

The concern is that salt water will back up far enough that the Delta is no longer a good place to tap into for large amounts of fresh water. You'd have to build a pipe or a canal from the northern Delta and route it around to the southern Delta, which would be a big hassle.

That and the collapse of the ecosystem and the sinking of a lot of small islands.

You can play with a map of sea level here, and see how even a modest change would create a fairly large brackish lake in the center of the state.

http://www.geo.arizona.edu/dgesl/research/other/climate_change_and_sea_level/sea_level_rise/sea_level_rise.htm

[nevergiveup]

13. We need Gore

to keep doing what he is doing. Once he throws his hat into the ring (which isn't going to happen) he gets bogged down in the political quagmire. There should be a terrific/welcome relationship between Gore and either Edwards or Obama if they were to become president. The recent history and coldness between the Gores and Clintons may cause a problem for Hillary if she were elected. I really don't know what would happen in this situation but I don't feel good about it.

[TreasonousBastard]

16. One small problem...

is that you have to get people to believe this.

I do, and was calculating sea rise years ago, but I can't think of anyone I know in meatspace you sees this as urgent.

[autorank]

17. I agree but when it's on AOL, even partial truth as it is, then the slide has started......

...and it's going to be a long, angry, disruptive ride down.

MSM can't manage this one;)

[DemReadingDU]

24. Kick for Al Gore!

Assuming Gore does jump in to run, will he stay as a Democrat, or do a Bloomberg and change to an Unaffiliated party/Independent? With all the Republican shenanigans now and next year pre-election, Gore and his staff must be calculating all the things that would thwart a successful campaign.

[autorank]

79. He'll be on top of things if he pulls the cord...did you see this...

If you did and I missed you on the thread, bad on me!

Election 2004: The Urban Legend

Oh, you want to see the picture;)



Nice resource for Dems Reading DU

http://img.scoop.co.nz/media/pdfs/0706/E2004TheUrbanLegend.doc">Word doc version, copyright waived, use it as you will

:toast:

[DemReadingDU]

96. I did, Great work, Thanks!

The thing is, that Karl Rove's math (weighting percentages) failed him in 2006. His permanent Republican majority was stopped with the return to the Democrats in both the House and Senate. I'm sure Rove will be upgrading his 'math' skills so that the Republicans will retake seats they lost in 2006 by using a weighting factor that will be large enough for the Republicans to win in 2008.

:hi:

[Mist]

25. When rich folks start losing their coastal properties, "all of a sudden" it will be news. nt

[kestrel91316]

40. They are mostly rich Repukes, and they are gonna suddenly be screaming

for the taxpayers to bail them out so they don't lose the money they invested unwisely in beachfront second and third homes.

[DKRC]

49. Friends of mine working for NASA in FL

sold their condo right on the beach in Cape Canaveral back in '98 and bought a house just north of Orlando. As soon as he retires they're moving to even higher ground, but haven't decided which state to relocate to the last time we talked about it.

[Divine Discontent]

92. they should move to Colorado, southern central where the Sangre De Cristo Mtns are at

it's gorgeous there, and not so populated at all. Dry summers, low humidity even though it gets hot, and winters can be bad for a few weeks but if you prepare ahead it's no big worry.
I have a friend that lives on that beach you mentioned, should I get them out? lol... how many years they got? ha



www.cafepress.com/warisprofitable <<-- check it out, top '08 stuff

[DKRC]

109. Don't have an answer for your friend

but ALL my friends/family relocated from the Cape, Merritt Island, & Melbourne, and from the Gulf coast around Tampa, into Orlando and Altamonte Springs by 2001.

YMMV

[wildhorses]

26. please!!! let it be so --

:patriot:

[galloglas]

27. K and R #5 !! And you're right..

when it is seen on AOL, it's like putting it in Reader's Digest. Those are the people with only one print communication to the outside world, and AOL is (was meant to be, anyway) the same way.

It's mainstream. And it's only so long before another Katrina busts in to some coastal town. Let's hope it lands in Richistan!

[RestoreGore]

28. Unless he told you himself, you can't guarantee anything

And the flooding will come regardless, and neither Al Gore or any one person will be able to stop it either.

[autorank]

61. He didn't tell me directly but I can guarantee it and be wrong;)

Gore can't stop anything alone, except through indirect means. As president, he can have a huge impact
here and abroad. He's been globe trotting, so to speak, on this crusade.

He wrote a best seller.

He made it into a great film.

He won the Academy Award for his film.

He's hosting/organizing the summer concerts, huge exposure to the youth vote (which turned out quite nicely in 2004 despite the disinfo).

He'll win the Nobel Prize in November/early December.

If that isn't the world's best set up, not that he preplanned it (and if he did, all the more reason to nominate/elect him).

I saw him speak in DC 1/16/2006 - he rocked Constitution Hall (how appropriate). Multiple standing ovations, very in sync with the crowd (I was sitting next to Byron York, to whom my partner said, "Why aren't you standing up!" during the seven to ten standing ovations).

Someone rightly said, he deserves better. But when you know what he knows, you can't relax, particularly if you have children.

Come bug me if your remember should this not happen. If it does, that doesn't mean I really knew in the rationalist sense though;)

[RestoreGore]

66. Well actually, the producers made the film and the director won the award

And it is obvious he is not doing Live Earth just as way to set up "the youth vote." Do you really think that? This is not partisan to him. And he does deserve better and he has it now and I hope he doesn't give it all up, because if you think he could devote his time as he now wishes just to this crisis if he does, it won't happen and I don't believe he should have to make that choice. And winning the Nobel prize should it happen will only solidify his acceptance as a world environmental leader and give him even more influence on this side to bring business and governments globally to the solutions we need to tackle this crisis that an election in this sound bite system will not wait for.

[DS1]

31. Farce

99% of the fundies live nowhere close to water

[rosesaylavee]

34. But I bet a lot of them live near

one of the great lakes or the Mississippi River. All land near these bodies of water will be submerged if nothing is done.

[seemslikeadream]

32. Earth Died Screaming - Tom Waits

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4pHZhZ_t9o&eurl=

Rudy's on the midway
And Jacob's in the hole
The monkey's on the ladder
The devil shovels coal
With crows as big as airplanes
The lion has three heads
And someone will eat the skin that he sheds
And the earth died screaming
The earth died screaming
While I lay dreaming of you
Well hell doesn't want you
And heaven is full
Bring me some water
Put it in this skull
I walk between the raindrops
Wait in Bug House Square
And the army ants
They leave nothin' but the bones
And the earth died screaming
While I lay dreaming of you

There was thunder
There was lightning
Then the stars went out
And the moon fell from the sky
It rained mackerel
It rained trout
And the great day of wrath has come
And here's mud in your big red eye
The poker's in the fire
And the locusts take the sky
And the earth died screaming
While I lay dreaming of you

[rosesaylavee]

33. Don't have the link

but there is a site out there that shows where the water will go all over the country. It's not just the beaches. Here in the Midwest, I live 40 miles in from Chicago. The lot our home sits on will be under water. To get to high ground, we will have to move 20 miles west to DeKalb county.

People are just not getting how this will impact ALL our lives.

Gore is the man. Here's hoping he sees that the same way we do.

[shance]

37. The Kabuki troop - LOL!

I liked the vision of Hillary and Barak and their sponge bats too.

XO

[autorank]

43. I aim to please.

"Sponge bats" OK Beavis and Butthead fans, describe the episode (one of the very best;)

Great thread the other day shance...wow!!!

[shance]

48. Back atcha Auto

You know what they say about brilliant minds.......

;)

[autorank]

74. Hmmm..."we're birds of a feather."???

:dunce:

[Jeffersons Ghost]

42. I'm sold on him! If he runs, its bye, bye Barak when it comes to my support... fun GRAPHIC...

[autorank]

53. That about sums it up;) Really outstanding 'shop!!!

Good to see you!

[Blue Belle]

47. It's not just the oceans that will rise either... many rivers will be effected too.

I did a research paper on this subject for my Geology project and it's not just the coastlines that rising sea levels will hurt. For example, should the Greenland ice sheet melt, the Columbia and Willamette Rivers in Oregon to swell beyond their current levels and cause flooding through much of the urban and business areas of Portland, OR and Vancouver, WA. And though the Pacific Coast is quite rocky and most of the Pacific Northwest regions are experiencing a tectonic uplift, there are some areas that are experiencing zero uplift and others that are sinking (like in the Puget Sound area). These areas are not rising faster than the sea levels now, and should the sea level rise accelerate, it could mean massive flooding and erosional damage (i.e. landslides, etc.) to the area.

These links have some great maps of the effected areas:
https://scholarsbank.uoregon.edu/dspace/bitstream/1794/3047/3/pdx_till_sealevel07082.pdf
https://scholarsbank.uoregon.edu/dspace/bitstream/1794/3047/2/or_sealevel07081.pdf

An excellent study done on the ecologic and economic impact to the area:
http://www.lclark.edu/~eban/CEPSpr06.pdf

I'm with you on Al Gore running. He will win with a landslide (no pun intended).

[AtomicKitten]

51. Looking at and from SF's shoreline.

[diane in sf]

55. If there is one meter of ocean rise my favorite beach will be gone,

it has cliffs behind it and cold and hot freshwater springs because the San Andreas fault runs right in front of it.

At the 70 meter rise that some people predict if the ice melts off Antarctica, SF will be a few islands and the central valley will be an inland sea.

How much of the nation's food is now grown there?

And what if one of these dumps of water occurs very suddenly? There could be nasty tsunamis in quite a few places.

These are my nightmares...

[autorank]

59. 25% of the nations produce: San Jaoquin Valley, CA

A third way is looking --- actually looking --- at the San Joaquin, at the visual, aesthetic dimension of the built or cultural landscape and the magnificent diversity of crops giving up the bumper harvests of food and fiber that have made California agriculture for so many one of the wonders of the world. UC Berkley

We'd miss that. My understanding is that the California Delta - Stockton and above would be at risk for becoming an inland sea. Geez!

When does this become an emergency. Shame on Time-AOL for their focus on "beaches." You can live without nice beaches but not without major portions of your agribusiness production (the Delta is pretty busy too).

So I'm waiting, who else among the candidates will speak up and say, THIS IS AN EMERGENCY.

[Systematic Chaos]

95. I had the same nightmare a couple months ago and it seemed so REAL.

I had a dream that I was in the break room of my job, when suddenly on all the TVs there was breaking coverage of a huge block of ice coming off either Antarctica or Greenland. It was just enough to bring up the sea level by a foot or two at most, but it happened literally in the span of a couple of hours and the huge waves generated by the event circled the globe multiple times, bringing inland surges of water that killed countless millions who were completely unprepared.

I will never forget it and I only pray nothing that sudden happens. It will be bad enough if that one- or two-foot rise takes 5 years.

[Uncle Joe]

54. It will be like Katrina on steroids, and

I pray we have a real President by then, and I believe we'll need the best President. The best President being President Gore!

Thanks for the thread autorank.

Kicked and recommended.

[autorank]

60. "Katrina on steroids" - great one. & thanks!

Like that fellow you have for an Avatar, he's a real "seer."

Amazing time, it is.

[Uncle Joe]

111. I agree autorank, Al Gore is a seer,

however more than that, he's also a doer.

I believe the same vision that allowed him to champion the Internet thereby empowering the people was tantamount to his seeing the impending catastrophe of global warming climate change.

The ironic thing is, I believe the Internet could be a large part of the answer to the problem of global warming. So in one effect Al has already given us a tool or weapon to fight global warming, if we are wise enough to use it properly.

[mzmolly]

57. I think he may wait and see if Hillary implodes?

I do hope he runs, regardless.

[flyarm]

58. HE DOES NOT CARE ABOUT HILLARY.. the clintons never helped him

in fact he never mentioned or used the clintons..i would say he has a huge distaste for clinton anything..and i bet he would like nothing more than beating out a clinton..

i believe if he thinks Hillary will win the nominations ..by early fall..that will propell him even more to run!!

just my 2 cents

fly

[mzmolly]

106. Oh, I don't think he "likes" her necessarilly, but I think he would compete for donors with her?

That may be an issue. Further, he's going to run on Clinton/Gore's record in office. Difficult to do if he's running against someone Clinton is campaigning for?

[Radical Activist]

63. Other candidates are strong on this issue.

Including Edwards and Obama. I appreciate all that Gore has done (apart from his 8 years as VP when he did next to nothing) but he isn't the only one who can solve the crisis.

[autorank]

70. Not the only one, the most qualified right now.

There's a view out there among the scientists, some of them, working on this that we have 2-3 years to fix this or we're really cooked. The level of urgency is only expressed by Gore. If you home was on fire and a neighbor came to the door asking to borrow your weed wacker;) and said, by the way, your house is on fire, how much would you trust his judgment? That's how I see the other candidates. I have not heard one of them saying, "Listen this IS the big issue. Make sure the count is fair and I'll do a great job for you. Here's what I have in mind." If I missed it, I'll stand corrected. I like Edwards the best for focusing on poverty, but that's minor compared to the global impoverishment without fish, which are going away in a few decades.

2050, not many fish left

In early November 2006 a paper by an international team of scientists led by Boris Worm of Dalhousie University and published in Science indicated that a collapse of seafood stocks was likely by 2050. By the middle of this century the researchers projected massive depletion of seafood populations of all kinds.

A month later a study published in Nature and based on NASA satellite data from 1997 to 2006 indicated that warmer sea surface temperatures can affect the stability of the oceans by reducing phytoplankton production, in turn likely accelerating the warming. The study showed large drops in phytoplankton production already correlated with higher sea surface temperatures. The lead author of this study was Michael Behrenfeld, a biological oceanographer at Oregon State University.

For a while there have been reports of links between climate warming and impaired survival of various fish species. A study published in the August 14, 2003 issue of Nature showed that increased air and water temperatures in Lake Tanganyika in East Africa appeared to correlate with shrinking fish and algae populations. In July 2006 scientists reported that a dead zone of low oxygen water was responsible for fish and crabs washing up dead on Oregon beaches and suggested that this was associated with global warming. Australian Scientists studying effects of coral bleaching in the Great Barrier Reef report that smaller fish that feed on live coral are dying off, potentially throwing the fish food chain out of balance." http://www.climate.org/topics/climate/where-are-the-fish.shtml

[1monster]

64. Well, judging from the map, I'm gonna drown unless I can figure out a way

to move inland and north...

But that isn't a surprise. A major portion of the road that was Highway A1A when I moved to where I am thirty-three years ago is in the ocean and has been for about twenty-five years. It just gets further and further out there (if any of it is still intact) every year.

The road they build to replace it is nearer to the ocean now than the original A1A was thirty-three years ago.

I've been watching the ocean eat up more and more of what were some of the most beautiful (and wide) beaches in the US for the last thirty plus years.

I have been telling my son (age 15) since he was born to plan on moving inland when he graduates from high school. Maybe I'll send him to northern relatives to go to college...

[KoKo]

65. Agree ...if we can have a "sane" electorate without "intervention" from crap machines

and voter disenfranchisment. We might have a "fair shot" with Overwhelming Public Approval for Gore..if we can undo what cost Al the election in Florida in 2000.

So far....our Dems want to sweep it under rug out there in DC/Beltway. If the Grassroots didn't keep pushing...it would be long gone..but it seems that "promises" made to us have NOT BEEN HONORED by our Dems who had the infamous "Basement Hearings."

Where's Jesse Jackson, jr. and John Conyers on this issue of VOTING RIGHTS? Maybe it's wrapped up in the Attorney General Hearings...but wasn't Jesse, jr. supposed to make his first effort when Dem House Convened a BILL TO MAKE "The Right to VOTE" a part of the US Constitution? Did I hear "Jesse, jr." PROMISE THAT TO US as I listened on C-Span Streaming Video way back in that DARK TIME? :shrug:

[autorank]

71. The consensus on this will be profound, evangelicals are coming on board too!

Thanks to althecat, anaxarchos, and yours truly, we now know that it was NOT red versus blue in 2004 and that the rural sector was down from 23% in 2000 to 16% of the total electorate in 2004; and that Bush had 2 million less actual votes in that sector. Well, look what's happening. The Evangelicals are onto the environmental issue, and it makes sense from their point of view. When we sweep out the bogus propaganda that we swallow and double our vigilance, then it's a lot harder to pilfer elections. In addition, this issue is so strong and just emerging, by Nov/Dec, the house will be rokken. Who benefits? Gore for the most part, huge support. People are now just finding out how serious it is and they won't buy the pablum from MSN/corporate media. In fact they'll turn on them.

You're right, the machines belong in the dust bin of history.

Election 2004: The Urban Legend
(Now, why did it take us to figure all this out. Don't the National Election Pool and EM
have the resources to check their damn work;))


Check this out:

An Evangelical Declaration on the Care of Creation

We recognize that human poverty is both a cause and a consequence of environmental degradation.

Many concerned people, convinced that environmental problems are more spiritual than technological, are exploring the world's ideologies and religions in search of non-Christian spiritual resources for the healing of the earth. As followers of Jesus Christ, we believe that the Bible calls us to respond in four ways:

First, God calls us to confess and repent of attitudes which devalue creation, and which twist or ignore biblical revelation to support our misuse of it. Forgetting that "the earth is the Lord's," we have often simply used creation and forgotten our responsibility to care for it.

Second, our actions and attitudes toward the earth need to proceed from the center of our faith, and be rooted in the fullness of God's revelation in Christ and the Scriptures. We resist both ideologies which would presume the Gospel has nothing to do with the care of non-human creation and also ideologies which would reduce the Gospel to nothing more than the care of that creation.

Third, we seek carefully to learn all that the Bible tells us about the Creator, creation, and the human task. In our life and words we declare that full good news for all creation which is still waiting "with eager longing for the revealing of the children of God," (Rom. 8:19).

Fourth, we seek to understand what creation reveals about God's divinity, sustaining presence, and everlasting power, and what creation teaches us of its God-given order and the principles by which it works.

Thus we call on all those who are committed to the truth of the Gospel of Jesus Christ to affirm the following principles of biblical faith, and to seek ways of living out these principles in our personal lives, our churches, and society.

The cosmos, in all its beauty, wildness, and life-giving bounty, is the work of our personal and loving Creator.

Our creating God is prior to and other than creation, yet intimately involved with it, upholding each thing in its freedom, and all things in relationships of intricate complexity. God is transcendent, while lovingly sustaining each creature; and immanent, while wholly other than creation and not to be confused with it.

God the Creator is relational in very nature, revealed as three persons in One. Likewise, the creation which God intended is a symphony of individual creatures in harmonious relationship.

[orleans]

67. i'm counting on him. n/t

[assclown_bush]

68. I doubt Gore will run, I think he is afraid of not even winning...

the Democratic nomination. He is doing better for himself as the man who was robbed of the presidency than he would as an also-ran. Gore is no different to me now than he was in 2000. He is still wooden and lacks charisma. He could not even carry his own home~state...what makes you think the repubs won't trounce on him again.

[autorank]

72. Now friend assclown_bush, why would you say such a thing?

:hi:

[sweetladybug]

82. assclown_bush, excuse me but, Al Gore DID win the 2000 election

He diffidently got more votes than Bush. And in 2000 it was the 1st time in history that the United States Supreme Court Justices were allow to chose our President. Naturally the 5 Republicans chose to install Bush as President, so it really didn't matter what the 4 Democrat Justices thought. As far as Gore losing the state of TN in 2000, I really don't know if that statement is true or not. He may have won the state of TN. I live in TN. We had a Republican Governor at that time. If you check out the Nashville Banner Newspaper for November and December 2000 you might find out some kinky crap going on in counting the votes and legal voters not being allowed to vote (same as in FL and other states in 2000, 2002 and 2004. As far as Gore being wooden and lacking charisma, I would have to disagree with you. The man is very intelligent and has a great sense of humor. The news media constantly said he was "wooden" and "lacks charisma" and a lot of other negative things abouthim. Weak minded people believe what they are told to believe not what they can see and hear for themselves. But you have a right to whatever you choose to believe about Al Gore. I pray to God each and every day that he runs for re-election in 2008. He is the man that can and will fix the mess that George Bush has made of OUR country (or at least Gore will give it his best shot)

[assclown_bush]

83. I appreciate that you feel very strongly about Al Gore,

and, though I doubt he will run (and get the nomination), if he DOES run and DOES get the nomination, I WILL indeed vote for him for president. No matter how lackluster, or wooden I think he might be, he is better than ANY repub candidate and I am sure that he would be an asset in the White House.

[Pastiche423]

69. A K&R for our next president!

[autorank]

73. !!!!!

:hi:

[Swamp Rat]

78. Geaux Gore!!

:kick:

AL GORE 2008!!!

[autorank]

80. We'll get some things done as soon as public enemy #1 is gone

This guy

IMPEACH HIM, HE'S BEGGING FOR IT.

[Kurovski]

103. Swamp! Where you been?

We missed you. :hi:

A kick for the thread, but it's too late to recommend, dammit.

[Swamp Rat]

107. On a break

:hug: Which is what I am going to continue to do for the next few weeks after this reply. ;)

:hi:

[Kurovski]

108. Take care.

We'll miss you until your return. :hug:

Once again, you've captured the "inner George". :rofl:

[defendandprotect]

84. Gore isn't talking Electric Cars or ending private control of our natural resources

Gore has also been supported most of his career by the oil industry --
Gore picked Liebermann --
Gore did nothing to fight back against the 2000 steal!

etal --

[Kurovski]

104. OMG! He's a stealth double-agent for the oil industry!?

Oh well. We like him anyway.

Aren't we silly? :rofl:

[truedelphi]

85. So what happens to the Great Lakes area??

The Geological Maps don't even show you the Great Lakes.

[Maryland Liberal]

86. ABH - (Anybody But Hillary)

Al could get my vote

[Lugnut]

87. K&R n/t

:kick:

[Kokonoe]

88. Please Mr. Gore, YOU ARE THE PRESIDENT.

The world needs you. Take your place. It is truly your time.

[melody]

89. Yup, and his timing is flawless

If he wasn't running, he'd have flagged off the course by now and backed another candidate.

He's doing what Thompson is trying to copy, except that Thompson doesn't have his high profile,
public support and, oh, a million other things. lol

[Common Sense Party]

91. And what will President Gore do to stop this inevitable 1 meter

sea-level rising?

[autorank]

93. And so what will Gov. Roosevelt do about the depression?:)

Implement an array of programs that are all on the table

WashPost

Video NYU Speech http://www.treehugger.com/files/2006/09/video_al_gores_1.php

Text of NYU Speech

Raise consciousness and lay out the rationale for much bolder programs.

I'd say his proposals are like Roosevelts but will bring qiucker results allowing the country to move down broader paths. Remember, we're starting from an environment that negates even the belief in the problem.

He's the only choice that I see out there.

As for the 1 meter, it is inevitable if we pick another weakling on the issue. If it's a Republican, we might as well move to Mars.

In the case of the 1 meter, it's pretty iportant to mitigate, delay, stall or even solve. Right now we're supposedly past the 'tipping point' according to The Independents reporting, meaning it's now if but how bad will it be. Once you start on a project like this, global, massive, incredible rewards of all sorts, you never know how quickly ou can go becasue of serendipity which is how some really great science happens. Let's hope.

[Divine Discontent]

94. that's right

be positive, a LOT can be done if we start fully, January 09 with a REAL leader... there is some permanent damage, but Gore would help out a lot too, tons of money would go into renewable energy...

my design for my dream ticket is below, if they don't run, I want Edwards & either Kooch, Biden, or maybe Obama...

www.cafepress.com/warisprofitable <<<--- top 08 items!

[Usrename]

97. "It's the ecology, stupid!"

:thumbsup:

[sorechasm]

98. ...and our lives....

...and the lives of 500 million refugees within 10K of the ocean, and the geopolitical struggle to feed and clothe when our crops are drowning and frying...

It's going to take all of us to get us out of this mess, but Al Gore is the only one who can lead us away from it so that it never happens.

K&R

[MsMagnificent]

99. Can no longer recommend...

so :kick: :kick: :kick:!

[RestoreGore]

101. Isn't intimating that Al Gore or anyone running would stop flooding...

Akin in logic to the politics of fear used by Bushies regarding Bush being the only one who can protect them from terrorists? I don't believe even Mr. Gore would approve of such tactics. And it is not going to stop what has already begun regardless of who fills any office unless WE COLLECTIVELY do more than use this issue as a fear tactic and vote getter.

[Kurovski]

105. Tough.

:rofl:

[Scout1071]

110. Well, folks.....I'd recommend showing your support with organic t-shirts!

OK, I promise I won't keep this up forever, but once again, here are the Goreganic links:

http://shop.goreganic.com
http://www.myspace.com/goreganic
http://www.goreganic.com