Could Ahnuld S. qualify for VP?

[babylonsister]

Just curious, knowing 'P' is out because he wasn't born here. But VP?

[I Have A Dream]

1. Well, if he'd be next in line to be president, I would think not since he wasn't..

born in the US. :shrug:

[fed-up]

2. gawd, I hope not (CA resident that DID NOT vote for the groppenater) nt

[trashcanistanista]

49. Oh God NO!

Me too, live in his state, can't stand him.

[TwilightGardener]

3. Nope--Constitution says that VP has to meet same qualifications as Prez.

[AlCzervik]

4. no he could not, the qualifications are the same for both offices.

[Warpy]

5. No, he's constitutionally prevented from serving as President.

and that's a law I don't want to see changed until his political ambition has evaporated.

[TwilightGardener]

9. Yep--if anyone starts tampering with it while Ah-nuld is still politically active,

I will personally throw a giant shit-fit. You read it here first!

[Perky]

6. He technically is able to run but whould have to be skipped

in the line of presidential sucession.

[Orangepeel]

26. I think you are thinking of Speaker of the House, Secretary of State, etc.

People who can't be president can serve in those offices and just be skipped in the line of succession.

But Amendment 14 says, "no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States".

[fed-up]

7. No-"The vice president must be a native-born American"

http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761556365/Vice_President_of_the_United_States.html
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Qualifications and Candidacy
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The qualifications for the vice presidency are the same as those for the presidency.
The vice president must be a native-born American of at least 35 years of age who has resided in the United States for at least 14 years.

Under the Constitution’s original provision for election, the person receiving the second highest number of electoral votes in the presidential election became vice president. In the event of a second-place tie, the Senate decided who would become vice president. The 12th Amendment, approved in 1804, specified that the Electoral College cast separate ballots to choose the president and the vice president.

The 25th Amendment enabled the president to appoint a vice president if there is a vacancy in that office. The appointment is subject to approval by a majority of both houses of Congress. There was no procedure for filling the office prior to the adoption of the 25th Amendment in 1967; before that time, when a vice president resigned or died in office—or assumed the presidency—the position of vice president remained vacant until the next election. In the 19th century six vice presidents died while in office, and one, John C. Calhoun, resigned from the post in 1832.

Presidential candidates select their vice-presidential running mates, usually after consultation with political party leaders. Candidates for the vice presidency are usually selected to balance a party’s election ticket. A presidential candidate from the Northeast, for example, might choose a vice-presidential candidate from a southern state with the hope of winning more votes from the South. Thus vice-presidential candidates usually earn a place on the ticket because they have personal traits, regional ties, or some other quality that complements the person running for president. Because of the need to appeal to voters across the country, vice-presidential candidates tend to be leaders of national stature, such as governors and experienced members of Congress. Once they have finished their terms, vice presidents often run for election to the presidency itself.

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[mondo joe]

10. I can't think why anyone would think you could have a VP that doesn't have to be

able to assume the presidency (as in meeting all the same qualifications).

[babylonsister]

11. Duh! Well, there's that! Thanks, everyone! nt

[seemslikeadream]

12. check out this belt buckle

I've seen a close-up and yes it is a scull. I'm looking for my old photobucket account now so I can bring it to you

[TwilightGardener]

14. Anyone else slightly creeped out by Bloomberg?

(Just his looks--I'm not familiar enough with his mannerisms.)

[seemslikeadream]

20. here it is

[mitchum]

38. That's sweet...he has his wife's face on his belt buckle

Who would have ever thought that a nazi scumbag could be so romantic?

[bobthedrummer]

39. It's a slightly modified Totenkopf, the message is clear though

it's a message and a symbol of the culture of death from the Governor of California, or should I say Gauleiter Schwarzenegger?

[mitchum]

41. Yes, I also noticed how much it does indeed resemble the death's head...

you can take the boy out of Austria, but...

[greenbriar]

13. NO....neither could Bill Clinton

no no no

[Perky]

15. Here is what the Contitution says

"No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States. "


It says nothing about the VP

Presidential sucession lanuage

"Section 3. If, at the time fixed for the beginning of the term of the President, the President elect shall have died, the Vice President elect shall become President. If a President shall not have been chosen before the time fixed for the beginning of his term, or if the President elect shall have failed to qualify, then the Vice President elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified; and the Congress may by law provide for the case wherein neither a President elect nor a Vice President elect shall have qualified, declaring who shall then act as President, or the manner in which one who is to act shall be selected, and such person shall act accordingly until a President or Vice President shall have qualified.


Section 4. The Congress may by law provide for the case of the death of any of the persons from whom the House of Representatives may choose a President whenever the right of choice shall have devolved upon them, and for the case of the death of any of the persons from whom the Senate may choose a Vice President whenever the right of choice shall have devolved upon them.

[greenbriar]

17. except that VP must have the same qualities as P so NO he can't

.

[Perky]

29. Does not say that (EOM)

[onenote]

31. actually, it does: take a look at the 12th Amendment

"But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States."

[Perky]

36. AH. need to read more....well then its case closed. Ahnuld can't be VP either

thanks

[TwilightGardener]

19. But since the VP's function is essentially to serve as Prez if needed,

he would have to meet the same constitutional qualifications, no? Because if it were Ah-nuld, then he would be pointless (except for the "head of the Senate" duties). He would not be able to succeed Bloomberg.

[treestar]

21. You know it sounds like the Ahnuld could be veep but would be

passed over if the President died, and thus whoever is next in line would be President (Ahnuld not qualifying because he is not a native born citizen). If the succession ever had to go far enough, there could be non-native citizens in any of the cabinet positions, as there have been before. The speaker of the house could be a non-native citizen. In theory the Presidency could devolve on them and they'd have to be passed over as not qualified.

Ahnuld could even be elected President, but then not qualifying, his Veep would be the one to be sworn in.

[Perky]

28. Yep I agree eom

[onenote]

32. Nope - the constitution explicitly requires same qualifications for pres and veep

Take a look at the 12th amendment.

[illinoisprogressive]

16. as the daughter of an immigrant, I say absolutely. My mom would have kicked as a vp.

[treestar]

18. No, and I have hopes that Arhnuld is deportable

He violated the terms of his visitor visa by working.

He admitted this in his autobiography, and didn't realize how it could come back to haunt him.

If he ever runs, much should be made of this, due to the repuke insistence that every violator of the immigration law be considered "criminal." But of course it won't.

[tammywammy]

43. He's a citizen of the US

So where are you going to deport him to?

[treestar]

44. He could be denaturalized

If he lied on his naturalization application. Or on any other application.

This is how they deported former Nazis, too, so it's been done.

Then he could be deported to Austria.

But they'll never do it. Selective Enforcement - if he were a Democrat, you can bet they'd try it.

[tammywammy]

45. Thanks for explaining

I doubt if he was a democrat they'd try it either.

[kestrel91316]

22. Nope. Thank God.

[rasputin1952]

23. No...if the president were to die or become incapacitated...

he would acede to the presidency, something he cannot do under the Constitution...thank God!...

[Bitwit1234]

24. OH OH wait a minute cheney says VP is not part of the excecutive branch

so if bush was removed from office could they just skip him and go to Nancy. Even tho the constitution says the vice president must have the same qualifications as the president to be elected. So you have to be a native born American citizen.

[Beelzebud]

25. No.

[nadinbrzezinski]

27. Nope, for the same reason he does not qualiffy to be

president

[Rob H.]

30. Children born on foreign soil to American parents can't be Pres, either

I was born overseas while my dad was in the US Navy. Not that I'd want to be the big cheese, especially considering that whoever succeeds Shrubbolini will have a gigantic mess to clean up, but still. The Founding Fathers probably didn't anticipate that the U.S. might someday have military bases in foreign countries, but it seems like there could be a provision to account for something like that.

[TwilightGardener]

34. Wasn't McCain born in Panama?

[Perky]

37. At the time the C.Z. was US territory.

and besides his parents we both US Citizens so he would have been granted dual national status.

[Posteritatis]

35. Where do bases fit into that?

If someone was born on one of the major US bases in, say, Germany or Japan or South Korea (I'm specifically thinking the ones that have been around for decades, not those things in Iraq or Afghanistan) or - God only knows why - on a USN ship or something, what would their status be?

[tammywammy]

47. A military base is considered US territory

It doesn't matter anyways, because if your two parents are citizen you're one too.

[Rob H.]

50. The naval base in Rota, Spain, is owned by the Spanish government

ergo it's Spanish soil. That may not be true of other overseas bases.


Edit: Found this on USConstitution.net. I was told the whole time I was growing up that it would be impossible for me to be president because I was born on foreign soil. Now that I know better, though, I still don't want the job. :P

Natural-born citizen

Who is a natural-born citizen? Who, in other words, is a citizen at birth, such that that person can be a President someday?

The 14th Amendment defines citizenship this way: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." But even this does not get specific enough. As usual, the Constitution provides the framework for the law, but it is the law that fills in the gaps.

Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in those gaps. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:"

* Anyone born inside the United States
* Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe
* Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
* Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
* Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
* Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
* Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
* A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.

Anyone falling into these categories is considered natural-born, and is eligible to run for President or Vice President. These provisions allow the children of military families to be considered natural-born, for example.

[MonkeyFunk]

42. That's not true

children born abroad of US presidents are "natural born citizens".

[MonkeyFunk]

51. lol..

did I really write "US presidents"? I need coffee before I post. OF course, I meant US Citizens.

[tammywammy]

46. Yes they can

No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States.


Natural born citizens.

[UTUSN]

33. No, but as usual Shrub-CHEENEE broke the other rules

CHEENEE was clearly a resident of Texas and the two nominees are not supposed to be from the same state, so it was a sign of things to come that they circumvented by using one of his other properties with an overnight registration, since the rules do NOT apply to them. Not that rule, this one, that one, any rule.

[EFerrari]

40. Please don't even think it!

He tried to cut services to the handicapped and he tried to cut the time the state would hold stray animals before killing them.

Oh, and he investigated his own groping. Whether he used both hands is still debatable.


:scared:

[Gabi Hayes]

48. from the constitution, it's pretty clear

''But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.''

that's the last sentence in the Twelfth Amendment.


from Article II, the vice president must be at least 35 years of age, a natural born citizen, and a resident of the U.S. for 14 years.