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pat_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 03:54 PM Original message |
A note to "We don't have the votes" impeachment naysayers |
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acmavm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 03:55 PM Response to Original message |
1. You're right. And by the same token, those that keep saying that we don't |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 04:00 PM Response to Original message |
2. They will also judge congress for not getting anything done... |
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pat_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 04:37 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Only impeachment "gets something done." All else is impotent gesture. |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 04:53 PM Response to Reply #3 |
8. The impeachment of Clinton did distract him from accomplishing things |
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HCE SuiGeneris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 05:49 PM Response to Reply #8 |
20. Maybe the impeachment of * will keep him from attacking Iran? n/t |
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Yukari Yakumo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 06:42 PM Response to Reply #20 |
26. Or, more likely, it will greatly increase the chances of an attack on Iran. |
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HCE SuiGeneris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 06:59 PM Response to Reply #26 |
31. It is their MO to distract the populace in that manner... |
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pat_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 07:04 PM Response to Reply #31 |
32. Impeached Bush orders attack, the Joint Chiefs resign, Gates resigns . . . |
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HCE SuiGeneris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 07:23 PM Response to Reply #32 |
39. And the price of inaction (not impeaching) provides a terrible |
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pat_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 07:58 PM Response to Reply #39 |
42. Hear, Hear! |
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pat_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 06:58 PM Response to Reply #8 |
30. Clintons lawyers did the defending |
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puebloknot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 06:52 PM Response to Reply #3 |
29. k&R Perfectly expresssed, as always, and a good counterpoint... |
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Ghost in the Machine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 04:54 PM Response to Reply #2 |
9. The Clinton argument is old and stale. Give it a rest already.. |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 04:40 PM Response to Original message |
4. I agree, to a degree. |
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Vincardog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 04:43 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. to war on questionable bases? Lied us into war. MIHOP see the DSM |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 04:46 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. Ok. |
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Vincardog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 04:49 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. * is A Criminally self indulgent psychopath with the empathy of a slug. |
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pat_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 05:01 PM Response to Reply #4 |
11. Yep. Impeachment hearings would be covered 24x7. . . |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 04:56 PM Response to Original message |
10. right got ya, convictions don't matter |
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pat_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 05:12 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. ??? |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 05:39 PM Response to Reply #12 |
17. I think that an impeachment would put this Congress off of many of those other 'levers' of oversight |
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pat_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 05:52 PM Response to Reply #17 |
22. They can't walk and chew gum? The only time you need them all. . . |
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madokie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 05:14 PM Response to Reply #10 |
13. How in the heck do you know that it will be ineffective in the end if it isn't tried |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 05:36 PM Original message |
the point is that many are saying that, even if there's a reasonable chance it won't succeed |
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madokie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 05:47 PM Response to Original message |
19. Impeach the bastards win or lose, no if and or buts about it |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 05:14 PM Response to Original message |
14. Congress's "approval rating" would soar... |
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pat_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 05:36 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. Spot On!! |
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Old and In the Way (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 05:29 PM Response to Original message |
15. It's the right thing to do, regardless of the voting outcome. |
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pat_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 05:44 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. . . .and we redeem our self-esteem as Americans. |
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madokie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 05:52 PM Response to Reply #15 |
21. this bullshit of we don't have the votes just pisses me off to no end |
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pat_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 06:33 PM Response to Reply #21 |
25. Makes ya wanna scream or cry, doesn't it? |
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Individualist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 06:43 PM Response to Reply #21 |
27. Me too! |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 05:54 PM Response to Original message |
23. There are always |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 08:29 PM Response to Reply #23 |
45. Clay feet are in fashion, again, in some circles. |
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madokie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 08:40 PM Response to Reply #23 |
48. My heart breaks |
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MGKrebs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 06:02 PM Response to Original message |
24. If the vote is held and lost, there would be almost zero chance of another |
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pat_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 06:50 PM Response to Reply #24 |
28. Why almost zero chance? |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 07:05 PM Response to Original message |
33. at the moment we don't appear to have the votes to impeach, let alone convict |
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pat_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 08:39 PM Response to Reply #33 |
47. Each of your assertions has been addressed. . . |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 10:36 PM Response to Reply #47 |
53. Nothing in my post is about the merits of impeachment, its about the assumption |
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pat_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 11:19 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. The Self-Defeating Prophecy |
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Kablooie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-24-07 11:49 AM Response to Reply #33 |
62. Because most Americans haven't heard the reasons why we should impeach. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 07:06 PM Response to Original message |
34. Deleted message |
Phredicles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 07:28 PM Response to Reply #34 |
40. News flash: Nothing's getting done WITHOUT impeachment; |
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pat_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 08:31 PM Response to Reply #34 |
46. Assertions without basis. . . |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 07:08 PM Response to Original message |
35. 218 (House) votes to impeach and 55 (Senate) votes to remove is BETTER than Zero votes in both. |
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pat_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 07:13 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. Every Member who votes Yea breaks the bonds of complicity. |
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Yukari Yakumo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 07:15 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. DU =/= The Public. Heck, DU =/= Democrats in general. |
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pat_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 07:19 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. That's your counter-argument? Not a particularly effective challenge. |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 08:26 PM Response to Reply #37 |
44. Who said it was? Who the fuck cares? What's the point? |
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HCE SuiGeneris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 08:45 PM Response to Reply #37 |
50. Have read all your posts of the last month... |
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MGKrebs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 07:45 PM Response to Original message |
41. Are there negative consequences for trying and failing? |
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pat_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 08:26 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. Voting a Bill of Impeachment out of the House is a win. |
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madokie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 08:42 PM Response to Original message |
49. lets do something |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 08:52 PM Response to Original message |
51. Problem Is You Have No Idea Who The American People Will Judge More Harshly. None. |
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pat_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 11:27 PM Response to Reply #51 |
55. There is no claim to know the outcome. . . |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-24-07 12:06 AM Response to Reply #55 |
56. "The American people will stand in judgment of them in the next election." |
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pat_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-24-07 07:45 AM Response to Reply #56 |
57. And I asked a question of those unwilling to trust. . . |
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CK_John (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-23-07 09:06 PM Response to Original message |
52. A trial in the Senate will take less than 2 hours. They will waive reading of charges and |
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pat_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-24-07 08:08 AM Response to Reply #52 |
58. How will those who voted Guitly "look like assholes?" |
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GeorgeGist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-24-07 10:31 AM Response to Original message |
59. "We don't have the votes" ... |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-24-07 10:34 AM Response to Original message |
60. We have the votes, not the willingness. |
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Kablooie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-24-07 11:47 AM Response to Original message |
61. If someone started the ball rolling, the American people might force the votes to appear. |
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pat_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-24-07 09:46 PM Response to Reply #61 |
63. When a champion gives outrage a voice, Watch Out! |
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