I'm beginning to think that both Congress and the media are scared shitless . . .

[OneBlueSky]

of BushCo, and particularly of Cheney . . . that's why nothing is happening in Congress, and that's why the truth isn't getting reported by the media . . .

they've seen what BushCo can do -- from fixing elections to invading and occupying another country to allowing a major American city to die . . . and all with no consequences . . . and they're terrified of what might happen if they actually take on the powers that be . . .

they're not going to cut Cheney's funding . . . and they're not going to require paper ballots . . . and they're not going to end the war . . . and they're not going to attack climate change . . . and they're not going to impeach . . . they're too scared . . .

[Philosoraptor]

1. Who's afraid of the big bad dick? Everyone apparently.

[Enthusiast]

2. I'm beginning to think you are right. nt

[Philosoraptor]

3. Nothing else explains dick's amazing boldness.

[Jonathan50]

4. I've thought that for quite a while now..

People who will kill hundreds of thousands for their own profit are to be feared.

Not to mention that Bushco has been tapping the phones of anyone of any consequence for years now and they surely know where an awful lot of bodies are buried.

[glitch]

45. Me too. And for those with no buried bodies - they may have families to protect. nt

[Philosoraptor]

5. Don't forget Lord cheney's Anthrax Love Letters

[Jonathan50]

9. And the very first anthrax attack..

American Media Inc..

The one with no warning note, where the recipient was intended to, and did, die.

And there's more.

The man who died was the photo editor who ran this photo in the supermarket tabloid "the Sun"





You couldn't possibly be more blunt about it.

[SeattleGirl]

6. I have absolutely no doubt that they are scared shitless.

I can't think of anything else that would cow them as much as they have been, and continue to be.

I also have a feeling it's not just Bushco and Cheney. I wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't some shadow group behind the scenes, giving protection and shelter (not to mention ammo, literally and figuratively) to them, particularly to Cheney. (Props to another DUer in another forum for bring this up).

Just think X-Files, the Cigarette Man, and that shadowy group he always met with. Shit like that can be really scary.

[WritersBlock]

10. Interesting that you say that....

I'm beginning to feel as if I should go buy some more foil, but the movie mentioned in this post gives one pause for thought (if you can get past the first 10 minutes or so) Parts 2 and 3, especially.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1159487&mesg_id=1161001

[mwb970]

7. Everyone acts as if Cheney is simply untouchable.

This despite his lifelong record of continuous crimes and continuous lies. He is by far the worst criminal we have ever had in the White House and we are doing nothing at all about it.

It's amazing. And completely pathetic. Any normal citizenry would tar & feather such a "leader" and run him out of town on a rail. But not us. Everyone just sits there like it's OK for him to proclaim himself God.

It's amazing. And completely pathetic.

[SeattleGirl]

8. I don't think everyone thinks it's okay, but I do agree that there are

a lot of people who do have that attitude. "Well, he's the VP. There's nothing we can do." Or, "Well, he's the VP. Whatever he does has to be okay, BECAUSE he's the VP."

There just aren't enough of us yet willing to stand up, to say ENOUGH, and to demand, in no uncertain terms, that Cheney must go.

God, how I wish we were at critical mass now.

I don't know how much more this country, this world, can take of the utterly evil, corrupt THING that is Cheney the Dick.

[tblue37]

37. I often fantasize about an "everyone into the streets"

scene like the one at the end of V: for Vendetta.

[soothsayer]

11. I disagree. I'm hoping there's a movement afoot behind the scenes

to reign this dude in or root him out off office entirely.

[glitch]

50. Been hoping that for seven years. They have been organizing for 40 years

and are very well positioned. Whatever checks them will have to be very quick and very thorough.
Sometimes I think there is a plan and sometimes I think there isn't, but I'll keep hoping.

[OzarkDem]

55. Nah, don't think so

But on the bright side, I think their fears are unfounded. The only reason they've accomplished such wide scale destruction and criminal activity is BECAUSE they've gone unchallenged.

They're the traditional school yard bullies - full of hot air until a few people stand up to them - then they collapse.

[malaise]

12. Stop worrying about fear

The gig is over. They're slowly becoming impotent Dicks.

Worry about how to weed all the goons from every area of government and the media.

[CJCRANE]

13. One secret of Bushco's "success"

is that most people don't even think about Cheney.

They see B*sh and how stupid he is and put all the bad results down to incompetence
not realising that Cheney is there behind the curtain plotting away.

[cassiepriam]

14. Yes I agree. For some reason everyone is terrified of BushCo.

And for good reason. We know what they are capable of.
Few have the courage to go against them.

[entanglement]

15. Most of them are COMPLICIT - partners in crime. Some are, no doubt, afraid.

n/t

[Gabi Hayes]

17. really! can't believe it took so long for the C word to appear

sure, some in media might be afraid.....for their cushy jobs

AFA dems, they're afraid, too.....of the RW/corpmedia onslaught against them. how else to explain their cowardly response to the barrage of illogical poll numbers showing that people are STUPID enough to buy the media fed BS that, despite overwhelming numbers saying the public WANTS us OUT of Iraq, that the dems who are trying to do it are NOT SUPPORTING the troops by....trying to get them out of there!!!!!

it's JUST what the media did in the runup to the war: fooling the sheeple into thinking we had mushroom clouds over america if we didn't invade the guy behind 911

it's that simple, really

it's ALWAYS the media....ever since Carter

[NotGivingUp]

20. COMPLICIT...you are so right. nt

[EFerrari]

38. Exactly. And Dick Cheney is a dangerous sociopath.

Any reasonable person would feel alarm when confronted with so much evil.

[Kurovski]

41. Was just gonna say...

but it's already here.

Complicit.

[Individualist]

43. Absolutely!

They're aiding and abetting the criminals.

[C_U_L8R]

16. Fear itself

The only thing that protects Cheney is
the power we grant him by fearing him.
He's just a greedy fat fuck who should
be in Leavenworth Prison. Congress
and the Press need to stop cowering at his
immature retributions and take him
down for his corrupt abuse of office.

For goodness sake.

[Edweird]

51. Exactly. "I was afraid of THAT!?!?"

They are a bunch of blowhards that have an excellent propaganda machine. A group of weak pasty selfish asshole cowards. I'd happily go toe to toe with any of them any day.

[H2O Man]

18. I agree.

If we look back at how people treated J. Edgar Hoover, it is evident that they were afraid of him. Cheney is being treated similar to Hoover.

[havocmom]

26. Difference being, Cheney seems unihibited to the idea of killing thousands

Keep wondering if, when all the wiretaps fail to give him issues to blackmail individuals with, he doesn't just tell them that terrorists cells in their home districts have bombs. They all know body counts mean only money and power to him.

Hope my tinfoil is just makin my head hot, but damn, the man seems to have no humanity at all. So far, ALL my worst fears regarding him have underestimated his criminal involvement.

[Beetwasher]

30. Cheney Is A Raving, Sociopathic, Homicidal

Version of Hoover. On Steroids and acid. He's got shit on everyone AND he has no compunctions about using it, or about shooting people in the face. And those are his "friends".

[Octafish]

19. Paul Wellstone stood up to Them.

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20020527/nichols

Accidents happen.

[treestar]

23. Too true. What Republicon has ever been killed in a small plane crash?

Amazing how those accidents don't follow the general rules of statistics.

[Octafish]

56. Ted Kennedy was supposed to have been on Wellstone's plane that terrible day.

Just another coincidence, we're told.

[WinkyDink]

62. Which would have been Ted's SECOND small-plane crash.

[Octafish]

78. A friend of mine's dad helped keep him alive that night.

Indiana Sen. Birch Bayh helped keep Ted breathing after he suffered a broken back in the crash that claimed the life of the pilot and a staff member. Mrs. Bayh also was on the plane, but escaped with relatively minor injuries.

From Larry King:

KENNEDY: Well, when it's bothering me. I've always remember -- lost a great friend, Ed Moss. And I always remembered --- his father Birch Bayh really saved my life, dragged me out of that plane, risked going back to the plane because it could have gone on fire.

SOURCE: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/20/lkl.01.html

It's not a coincidence that the Kennedys suffer an unusually large amount of tragedy. People of their beliefs are dangerous.

The Kennedys believe ALL men and women are infinitely valuable and as such they deserve to be treated as such.

The War Party uses people as slaves and cannon fodder. My handle for Them is the BFEE.

[lildreamer316]

68. ??Really? I had no idea.

Could you point me in the right direction for more info? I'd really appreaciate it.

[Octafish]

77. Ted Kennedy was campaigning with Paul Wellstone, earlier flew together.

Odd. I remember it seemed there were many more stories on the subject at the time.

Perhaps there's a Google Scrubber at work on the story...

Sen. Wellstone, Seven Others Die in Plane Crash

Friday, October 25, 2002

EVELETH, Minn. — Sen. Paul Wellstone, D-Minn., died in a plane crash Friday along with seven others.

"It does not look like there are survivors. It is the unthinkable," said campaign manager Jeff Blodgett.

On board with the 58-year-old senator were his wife Sheila, his daughter Marcia, three campaign workers and two pilots, transportation officials told Fox News.

"Our prayers and heartfelt sympathy goes to their sons, their loved ones, their friends and the people of Minnesota. Paul Wellstone was a man of deep convictions. He was a plainspoken fellow who did his best for his state and for his country. May the good Lord bless those who grieve," President Bush said Friday.

Bush had been scheduled to go to Minnesota Monday to campaign for Wellstone's opponent, former St. Paul Mayor Norm Coleman. That trip has been canceled.

The race between Coleman and Wellstone was watched across the nation as one of the contests that could determine the majority party in the Senate.

Coleman suspended his campaign after hearing of the crash.

"The people of Minnesota have experienced a terrible, unimaginable tragedy," Coleman said.

"Paul Wellstone was the soul of the Senate. He was one of the most notable and courageous men I have ever known. He was a gallant and passionate fighter, especially for the less fortunate. I am grateful to have known Paul and Sheila as dear and close friends," said Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle, D-S.D.

"All Minnesotans and all Americans today are saddened by this tragedy. One of the most powerful voices for justice in this country has been silenced," said Minnesota's junior Sen. Mark Dayton.

Wellstone, considered the most liberal senator in Congress, was headed from St. Paul to Eveleth-Virginia Municipal Airport northwest of Duluth in a chartered twin engine King Air A-100 turboprop, said to be one of the safest planes in the air.

The family was scheduled to attend the funeral of Martin Rukavina, father of Minnesota state Sen. Tom Rukavina.

The plane lost radio contact with the tower at 10:21 a.m. local time and crashed two miles from the runway, according to National Transportation Safety Board officials.

The plane's pilots called the airport to get clearance for landing when they were about seven miles out, and they reported no problems, said Gary Ulman, who was on duty at the small airport at the time.

When the plane didn't land, Ulman said he took off in another plane to search for it. About two miles southeast of the airport, he saw smoke.

"The wreckage was scattered and fully engulfed in flames. Just looking at it, it would take a miracle to survive it," he said.

Officials said the plane made an instrument approach, rather than a visual, line of sight approach. That means it was being guided by air traffic control and instruments were used on the plane to assist in the landing.

Freezing drizzle and light snow had been falling and there was light fog, but officials are not certain the weather contributed to the crash.

The National Transportation Safety Board sent a nine-member team to determine the cause of the accident.

At the site, FBI spokesman Paul McCabe said there was no indication the crash was related to terrorism. He also said it may take time to recover the bodies.

The King Air turboprop was made by Raytheon Corp. with Pratt & Whitney engines, according to the Federal Aviation Administration. The owner was listed as Beech Transportation Inc. of Eden Prairie, Minn., and the plane had been leased by Wellstone.

There were early reports that Sen. Ted Kennedy, D-Mass., might have been on the plane, since he was campaigning in Minnesota for Wellstone. That rumor was quickly dispelled, and Kennedy later appeared with Dayton to pay tribute to Wellstone.

Wellstone announced recently that he had been diagnosed with multiple sclerosis, but said he would not let it deter him.

Before he acknowledged his disease publicly, denizens of Capitol Hill had noticed that he was walking with a limp. He chalked it up to long days at work.

The old-school traditional Democrat had broken a promise to stop running for office after two terms, saying that Minnesota needed a voice of opposition to the Bush administration.

CONTINUED...

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,66707,00.html

Something else that's weird. The plane's co-pilot was the guy who turned in Zaccarias Moussaoui, the so-called 20th hijacker who was busted before 9-11, but never investigated despite warnings from the FBI office in Minneapolis.

Co-pilot played minor role in story of Moussaoui

Know your BFEE: Moussaoui Must Die for Bush and 'His' Government

[lildreamer316]

80. Whew. Thanks...

<digs out tinfoil hat; places on head>

That is some scary shit right there. I'm gonna keep my eyes a little wider open from now on.

[catzies]

75. I think just John Tower, but they weren't sorry to see him go

That is, unless they were, oh, somehow involved...

Nah. Just a coincidence.

on edit: Add Sen. John Heinz!

[RestoreGore]

27. He also stood up to Cheney

regarding co co plant spraying in Colombia. I remember reading that a while back. I'm sure he was privy to information that they didn't want getting out. He also voted against their empire grab in Iraq, and was really the only Senator who actually gave a damn about signing on to the Kyoto Treaty. There is no doubt the threat these bastards pose is real, and the most heartbreaking thing about all of it is that we gave them the power they now wield against us. But there also comes a time when the realization takes hold that there are things more important than fear. I just don't know if this distracted and cowed population has what it takes to reach that realization in time.

[Octafish]

59. One guy can filibuster their agenda of evil.

Sen. Wellstone seemed to have been that guy.

He could've focused our fellow non-reading, drug-addled, booze-soaked, entertainment-gobbling, television-hypnotized citizens.

BFEE Agenda

Total war.
Total theft.
Total graft
Total enslavement.
Near total destruction.

[RestoreGore]

76. He was an incredible human being

Who is very much missed.

[The Backlash Cometh]

21. Nobody really knows how far their tentacles reach.

Is it in '1984' when you have neighbor ratting out on neighbor, and family member ratting out on family member for political reasons? Well, I think that's the kind of world that Rove is relying on. I say relying on, because that small town mentality was always here. It was the worst of America, and now you add that kind of small-mindedness with financial rewards, and shazaam, we have present day poli-capitalist style of life.

[emanymton]

22. As we All Should Be.

.
This is not a game. Be there any group in USA willing to stage a coup, it is Cheney and Co.

Many of Cheney's actions show just how far the administration is willing to go outside of the rule of law. Given how much is at stake, it is a great mistake to think Cheney et al are not willing to commit the final solution within the world of power.

Cheney and shrub have the forces and have shown themselves willing to use them to protect themselves. They have to see how vulnerable they are once they leave office and give up power. These people will not go quietly into the night to leave themselves and their families open to arrest.

The threat to democracy is real. This junta will not leave peacefully. Once the impeachment process is begun by Congress, a coups d'etat will follow. The coups d'etat will lead to civil war.
.

[sicksicksick_N_tired]

24. BushCO and the neocons have certainly been liberal with threats and retaliatory,...

,...actions against anyone who is fact/reality-centered rather than toeing the imperialistic line.

Sure, there are those who are fearful. However, is their personal fear worth the loss of an entire nation to these criminal predators?

[spanone]

25. Think about it. bu$h* & cheney can wiretap ANYONE at will.

they can look into anyone's personal lives, their business lives without any consequence.

[NNN0LHI]

33. Its a lot worse than that

They can retrieve the recording of any phone call any of us have made in the past 20 years or so and present as evidence just the the snips of the conversation that make you look guilty.

That is what they are doing to Jose Padilla right now.

Don

[Beetwasher]

28. Well, To Be Fair, HE HAS BEEN KNOWN TO SHOOT PEOPLE IN THE FACE

W/ Shotguns. And those are his friends.

[DaveT]

32. No. They are not physically afraid of Bush or Cheney.

Both the MSM and the members of Congress have a much more immediate and realistic fear -- the fear of getting fired.

The corporations that pay the salaries of the editors of the major news platforms support everything that Bush and Cheney are doing. And the corporate "community" still finances the majority of the Congress's election campaigns, very frequently donating to both candidates at the same time.

It is not enough for a Democratic congresscritter to get enough funding to run a campaign without corporate money -- the opponent can always get more.


And, to anticipate the usual response -- no, the "answer" is not campaign finance reform. As Al Gore says, so long as our national political conversation takes place on television, principally in 30 second ads, corporate power is going to dominate our public life.


The "answer" is the same answer it always has been -- from the abolitionists, to the suffragettes, to the labor movement, and to the Civil Rights movement. It takes direct action by people who ignore what they read in the newspapers.

If Martin Luther King had based his strategy in Montgomery on what he saw on white owned media, he would have moved back to Boston.

We have to liberate ourselves from believing that the MSM has power. Its power and reach are waning right now, in part because of this message board and dozens others like it. We must embrace the logic of this medium and recognize that it IS the answer to corporate power over our government.

The balance is still tipped against us -- but the shift is definitely coming in our direction. You see it in the polling numbers; you see it in the nosediving ratings for network TV news.


We need to take things up with the Congress directly -- and make them fear us more than they fear the corporations who buy them TV ads. Fatalistic whining like this thread is part of the problem rather than the solution.

[warren pease]

44. Yeah, I think so too...

Thing is, the media has been this way as far back as colonial days -- newspapers, of course, until the first quarter of the 20th century. Contrary to the general perception of a tough, skeptical, investigative press dogging the political and institutional elites' every step, the M$M have almost always acted as boosters, apologists and suck-ups for whatever official administration fairy tale happens to have been in vogue at any given time.

The only exceptions come when their audience finally calls bullshit in large enough numbers that they're forced to let an occasional truth slip through the cracks. So they'll do something like an "in-depth" look at health care in America and, amazingly, conclude that, although the system's got its flaws, we've got it pretty good compared to, say, Senegal or Zimbabwe. And fortunately, there's always some imbecile like Paris Hilton to divert attention and absolve them from having to do their jobs as news-gatherers and reporters.

So, in doing their jobs as stenographers and cheerleaders for federal domestic and foreign policy, we look back and find that:

There was no genocide of indigenous Americans; it was just "manifest destiny" and the inevitable expansion of the world's first democracy into the realm of the heathen, spreading the word of god and Adam Smith far and wide.

There was no theft of about half of Mexico's land area; there was, instead, the Mexican "invasion" of the newly declared independent Texas territory (a military response that historians believe was intentionally instigated by US federal troop deployments to the Rio Grande). When the US won the war, a grateful Mexico "gave" the US California, Arizona, New Mexico, and parts of Utah and Nevada.

There was no genocide in the Philippines during the Spanish-American war; there was simply a decades-long process of civilizing unruly native populations so they could lead productive lives working for quarter-pennies doled out by their munificent American raw materials extraction corporate employers.

There was no active, dynamic and powerful socialist labor movement in the US; there was only a group of disgruntled Leninists and Trotskyites with a grudge against the American upper classes, which didn't come by their money by nefarious means, as the labor movement claimed, but got rich the good old American way -- hard work, intelligence, cunning, uncle sugar's money and a few thousand in bribes crossing the right regulatory palms (well, no, we'll edit out those last two before going to press).

There were no intentional attacks on civilian populations by the Allies during WW II; nuking Hiroshima and Nagasaki, firebombing Dresden, obliterating small villages of no possible military significance were all part of the plan to shorten the war and save millions of lives -- and very few Americans saw the pictures of the newly blind stumbling through the rubble in Hiroshima, parboiled and hairless, their clothes covering nothing, their skin hanging like cobwebs from their extended arms as they tried to avoid the obstacles they could no longer see.

And now we're not killing civilians in Afghanistan or Iraq, the Pentagon hasn't requested $1.3 billion to develop new generations of land mines, we're not raising the rhetoric about "the Iran problem;" we're just spreading freedom, liberating millions of happy, happy people from oppressive dictatorships, bringing stability to the Middle East, .

And the media packages all this crap in some credible looking format, hires "experts" to testify to the crap's validity and wisdom, installs a host who embodies the physical characteristics expected of a tough newsie (while having the brains and critical thinking capacity of a canary) and who can take directions through a hidden headset, then distributes the entire steaming pile of crap into tens of millions of homes (93 percent of which say TV is their sole or primary source of news and information) where the veneer of sobriety and weighty decision making trumps the non-stop, utter inanity spewing from these shills' mouths.

So the educational system -- history being written first by newspaper reports from the point of view of the winners and then compiled into the long form, known as high school history text books -- predisposes Americans to accept and embrace the official story. No genocide, here or in the Philippines; no land grabs; no labor movement of any consequence; no war on civilians; no invasion and occupation for control of Iraqi oil.

And in closing -- after another incredibly long-winded and marginally relevant post -- I think the fear lies in the personal ideologies of the managing editors and publishers and wingnut radio motormouths and TV "talent" and their producers. And that fear is based on losing control of their carefully crafted domains, being smeared with the "Liberal Media" label, and replaced by someone or something of more reliably mainstream opinions (which these days means right of Reagan).

I could write another gasbag essay on what Congress fears most, but I don't have the energy and I don't think their fears are necessarily shared with their peers. I think just about all of them have something or things they'd prefer remained private, and since the NSA knows all, it would be a small matter for some administration flunky to meet a Congressperson in the hall for a moment, share a private detail or two and smile assuringly that none of this has to become public as long as they continue to play ball with BushCo.

Doesn't sound all that unreasonable to me. And I think it's likely that a few of the members -- DK, Lewis, Lee, Waters, Waxman, Woolsey, and maybe a dozen others -- either don't have anything to hide or don't give a shit if it's made public. So they can afford to openly oppose these bastards, at least until anthrax becomes Plan B for dealing with these types.


And some would say I'm cynical. Imagine that.


wp

[WinkyDink]

47. ITA, EXCEPT: They are VERY afraid, physically. JFK, MLK, RFK, even the

attempt on the BELOVED REAGAN.

And then there was anthrax.

Very, very afraid.

[warren pease]

52. There's certainly that, but...

These days, with snooping technology at an unbelievable level of accuracy and sophistication, and databases capable of linking what seems absolutely unrelated to form an identifiable behavioral signature, I just think it's easier to threaten someone with real or dummied up allegations of some career-ending "indiscretion."

Like a canceled check from a campaign "donor" for some highly illegal amount of money, then another canceled check from the Congressperson to a numbered off-shore account for the identical sum as the check from the "donor." Anybody with Photoshop could probably create such documents, and anybody at all can open an anonymous, numbered off-shore account. Fabricate the first check, set up the account and transfer funds from some GOP money laundering operation, create the second canceled check, present the "evidence," and you've got another "Nay" vote on the Iraq withdrawal timeline.

And sex is still the most reliable way to bring down the quasi-powerful. These days, it takes a little more than an affair with an administrative assistant, but if real incidents of, say, pedophilia can't be found, they can always be created. And that allegation, no matter if it's true or false, is politically unsurvivable.

I guess a high-profile political murder would send a certain message to other potential dissenters from the BushCo playbook, but it's so much easier, and carries almost no risk of discovery, to simply discredit the target and watch them fade into nearly instant irrelevance.

Or do you think that's not BushCo's style, and they'd always go for the gun before the computer?


wp

[WinkyDink]

61. Oh, I agree that Bushco probably has files that would make J.Edgar envious.

But BEHIND the files, in case some Congressperson feels like brazening out a sex scandal, is the gun.

Or the small plane (cf. Hunt, Dorothy). Or the "William J. Casey Hospital Death Special". Or the "Suicide Drowning".

[warren pease]

64. Or the Enron guy...

..who locked himself in his car and shot himself in the head -- TWICE.

Yeah, I'm not often guilty of misunderestimating the regime's capacity for pure evil, but this may be one of those occasions. They're certainly vile enough, and death obviously doesn't bother them in the least, particularly when it serves their purposes.

And the small plane crowd should include Wellstone and maybe Mel Carnahan, the guy whose corpse beat Ashcroft in the 2000 Missouri senatorial race.

And they showed uncommon wisdom with that vote. Dead senators don't require large staffs, go on expensive "fact-finding" junkets, engage in endless demeaning photo ops, and generally conduct themselves with a kind of quiet, understated decorum befitting the deceased. On the other hand, one live Ashcroft could do more repressive 14th century damage than an entire graveyard of vicious zombies.

And he went on to prove it as AG, using $8K in taxpayer money to cover primary and secondary sexual characteristics of a couple of statues -- thereby guaranteeing that, when he held a press conference in the DoJ atrium, he was the only visible dickhead in the room.


wp

[Truth2Tell]

71. William J. Casey Hospital Death Special

You mean the one delivered by Bob Woodward? :)

[shadowknows69]

29. He's Tony Soprano

And I wouldn't put it past him to make, and carry out, open death threats on anyone.

[spanone]

73. Naw, Tony has a personality.

:toast:

[NNN0LHI]

31. Sen. Paul Wellstone wasn't scared of these feckers

Of course he is dead now.

Don

[Dinger]

34. This Is What It Will Take To End This Nightmare:

An insider, probably an "inner circle" insider, who can't take this shit anymore, will expose this monster & everything he and his criminal administration have done, and this person will be willing to DIE for telling the truth, and DIE they will, as so many others have before them.

[loudsue]

46. There have been numerous insiders blowing whistles 'til they're blue in the face,

but it will take more than that. It's going to take pushing the whole thing to the limit by the people. Blackwater and the rest of the corporate mafia gangsters will be there to confront us all, but Democracy isn't working since they took the voting machines and put them in republican hands. The only thing I can see that will change any of this is rioting in the streets. It's the only thing that the media will print or show. And it's the only thing that gets some people's attention.



:kick::kick:

[Dinger]

49. When I'm Talkin' "Insiders," I'm Talkin' laura, gonzAllAss, barbara, hwb,

one of the felionious five (scalia, etc.), jeb, etc.
Protests do get attention, but that seems to be where it stops.
American Revolution, part II? Probably what it will take.

[smirkymonkey]

69. Honestly, there has to be SOMEBODY who's got a hit out on

crashcart. I would think it would be pretty easy to make it look like an accident considering his health and all. The guy must have more enemies than...than...than.....George W. Bush. I just can't conceive that ONE person who is that insane, that arrogant, that isolated, has everyone else cowed in terror.

[tblue37]

35. And of course they know the NSA spying has been directed primarily at

them. They sure do act like people who are being blackmailed--or who are afraid of being blackmailed.

Besides, the anthrax terrorist, who directed his missives at those who displeased BushCo, is still out there. Who knows what might happen if they really rile the BushCo mob.

[GeorgeGist]

36. But I'm certain most all of them ...

will be willing to tell you how much faith they have in religion.

[in_cog_ni_to]

39. NSA wiretaps worked wonders on Congress. Blackmail has a way of turning people into cowards.

IMCPO, the major, well known talking heads and all members of Congress were wiretapped and the cabal has garbage on them all. It's the only explanation for their silence. Why else would they let these criminals run amok?

[Warren Stupidity]

40. Nah. It is self-interest. Read Manufacturing Consent.

They are not interested in rocking the boat, any of them.

[kenny blankenship]

60. Indeed-if you speak of the media they *row* that boat

and most of them know rewards depend on output. Rowers who get "ideas" or disclose sullen antipathies to the Lord Admiral are fed to the sharks, like Dan Rather.

[CK_John]

42. Would you want every phone conversation for the last 6 yrs on YouTube???? n/t

[BlooInBloo]

48. Curious: What have you *been* thinking?

[glitch]

53. Ok, that was funny. Thanks for the chuckle. nt

[BlooInBloo]

57. :)

[OneBlueSky]

79. touche' . . . n/t :)

[dkofos]

54. Personally, I think Congress and the media are complicit.

[OzarkDem]

58. Schoolyard bullies

They've been powerful only because no one has challenged them.

If Dem leaders and the news media stand up to them, they'll back down or run for cover.

Its having their opponents stand on the sideline wringing their hands that makes Bush & Cheney powerful.

[Skidmore]

63. They're not scared anything. Too much profit is being made

during this administration and the only thing they are scared of is losing cushy jobs and lifestyles.

[lonestarnot]

82. You are so

right! Scared is bullshit.

[Blue_In_AK]

65. You know what?

FUCK Dick Cheney. I'm not scared of his pissy ass. He's going to die soon anyway...he's about three-quarters of the way there already.

[senseandsensibility]

66. They've been scared them since chimp first came on the

scene, long before 9-11. It's been obvious from their expressions, demeanor and actions. The "media" show it on their faces when they're on the air, and through their slanted coverage. Congress shows it through their inaction. But it's been going on for at least seven years.

[Babsbrain]

67. Everyone is scared shitless..

At least those who are paying attention.

The end will come from the inside...et tu Brutus?

[blues90]

70. When I think about the entire thing going back to the 60's

I know the murders of JFK, MLK, RFK, and even Lennon and Diana and JFK jr were not just some coincidence .

Even today , after this admin managed to steal two elections , get us into an illegal attack on Iraq , allow an entire city to be washed away and it's still in complete chaos and they have gotten away with this and countless other things like 9/11 .

All these things and we still have no real truth and may never have it .

Like another poster here suggested , we don't know how far or large their reach is and how many are involved .

I look at the control the military industrial complex has and the big oil corps and now how big business has so much control and all may be part of the same machine . It's all power , control and big money , always has been and we go along in a strange way as if our lives really matter , it's as close to a mass hypnotic state as you can get .

Each day small things change without notice , all planned , all organized , things that go right under the radar as people adapt without really knowing it .

Certainly we see the effects like the murders of leaders or 9/11 but look how long it took before the questions began , shock is the first reaction then we are told their versions of the story . These incidents and the stories most likely were all planned out in advance and made acceptable to most . I would imagine they have their teams of pro's on how to work the minds and manipulate the masses all based on known human fears and reactions .

We suspect but have no true idea of what information they have on each of us . Hell they can track each of us in so many ways in this high tech world , even plastic savings cards used in your favorite store store all your purchases and time frames and these have been around for many years now . Great , I have a card , I use it , I save , this is the programming , ATM's tracking every movement and place and time .

We accept all this as it came a bit at a time and never suspected anything other than time saving devices .

You go into stores and never really think you are on camera unless you are a thief .

Certainly , in many ways we are in 1984 and they have been setting the groundwork for quite some time .

Just how far they have gone we can only guess and how far can / will they go , we can only suspect .

[Rosemary2205]

72. I thought that was the purpose of the anthrax attacks.

It was a reminder -- we can kill you, we can kill your family, we can kill your whole community. We can do it and we WILL. It's absolutely no different than Putin ordering the KGB to nuke poison dissenters.

[DemReadingDU]

74. evening kick

[Hideboh]

81. you are absolutely right

those thugs are capable of anything.