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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 08:10 AM
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"Chemical Ali" sentenced to Death by Hanging ....
Hussein Cousin Is Sentenced to Hang for Mass Killings

By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published: June 24, 2007

Filed at 8:11 a.m. ET
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/world/AP-Iraq.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin

BAGHDAD (AP) --


Ali Hassan al-Majid, known as Chemical Ali,
listening to the verdict in court in Baghdad today.


Two decades after Iraq's military laid waste to Kurdish villages, the Iraqi High Tribunal
on Sunday sentenced Ali Hassan al-Majid, known as ''Chemical Ali,'' and two others to death
for their roles in the bloody campaign against the restive ethnic minority.

Al-Majid, a cousin of executed former President Saddam Hussein, was convicted of genocide,
crimes against humanity and war crimes for ordering army and security services to use
chemical weapons in an offensive said to have killed some 180,000 people during the
1980-88 Iran-Iraq war.

As the verdicts were read out in Baghdad, to the north some 10,000 American troops were
in their sixth day Sunday of a major effort to oust al-Qaida fighters from the city of Baqouba.

More....
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 08:13 AM
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1. He only killed 180,000. Bush killed 655,000.
I hope the Iraqis have plenty of rope.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 08:16 AM
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2. Maybe they'll lend us some rope!!!
Edited on Sun Jun-24-07 08:17 AM by Breeze54
"only"? :eyes:

They both are despicable!! I agree!!

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bluerum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 08:16 AM
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3. oh boy - more lynchings courtesy of the demented cowboy. Not that
Edited on Sun Jun-24-07 08:18 AM by bluerum
I think he is not deserving of punishment, - but shouldn't these trials be held in the Hague? This kind of "justice" being meted out by a newly formed system is simply exacerbating a bad situation.

edit: language.
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 08:22 AM
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4. "was convicted of genocide, crimes against humanity and war crimes"
sounds like what needs to happen to the Bush administration
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Smarmie Doofus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 08:24 AM
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5. Where'd they get the chemicals from?
The Times doesn't say.

Why?
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 08:28 AM
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6. Gee, where DID they get the chemicals from?

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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 08:29 AM
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7. From Chemical Rumsfeld
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 08:42 AM
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10. Reagan! --- "HOW SADDAM HAPPENED"
Edited on Sun Jun-24-07 08:44 AM by Breeze54
The US supplied them with weapons but they used them.

-----------------------------------------

Congressional Record: September 20, 2002 (Senate)
Page S8987-S8998


http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/2002_cr/s092002.html">HOW SADDAM HAPPENED

Mr. BYRD. Mr. President, yesterday, at a hearing of the Senate Armed
Services Committee, I asked a question of the Secretary of Defense. I
referred to a Newsweek article that will appear in the September 23,
2002, edition. That article reads as follows. It is not overly lengthy.
I shall read it. Beginning on page 35 of Newsweek, here is what the
article says:

America helped make a monster. What to do with him--and
what happens after he is gone--has haunted us for a quarter
century.


The article is written by Christopher Dickey and Evan Thomas. It
reads as follows:


The last time Donald Rumsfeld saw Saddam Hussein, he gave
him a cordial handshake. The date was almost 20 years ago,
Dec. 20, 1983; an official Iraqi television crew recorded the
historic moment.

The once and future Defense secretary, at the time a
private citizen, had been sent by President Ronald Reagan to
Baghdad as a special envoy. Saddam Hussein, armed with a
pistol on his hip, seemed "vigorous and confident,"
according to a now declassified State Department cable
obtained by Newsweek. Rumsfeld "conveyed the President's
greetings and expressed his pleasure at being in Baghdad,"
wrote the notetaker. Then the two men got down to business,
talking about the need to improve relations between their two
countries.

Like most foreign-policy insiders, Rumsfeld was aware that
Saddam was a murderous thug who supported terrorists and was
trying to build a nuclear weapon. (The Israelis had already
bombed Iraq's nuclear reactor at Osirak.) But at the time,
America's big worry was Iran, not Iraq. The Reagan
administration feared that the Iranian revolutionaries who
had overthrown the shah (and taken hostage American diplomats
for 444 days in 1979-81) would overrun the Middle East and
its vital oilfields. On the--theory that the enemy of my
enemy is my friend, the Reaganites were seeking to support
Iraq in a long and bloody war against Iran. The meeting
between Rumsfeld and Saddam was consequential: for the next
five years, until Iran finally capitulated, the United States
backed Saddam's armies with military intelligence, economic
aid and covert supplies of munitions.

Rumsfeld is not the first American diplomat to wish for the
demise of a former ally. After all, before the cold war, the
Soviet Union was America's partner against Hitler in World
War II. In the real world, as the saying goes, nations have
no permanent friends, just permanent interests. Nonetheless,
Rumsfeld's long-ago interlude with Saddam is a reminder that
today's friend can be tomorrow's mortal threat. As President
George W. Bush and his war cabinet ponder Saddam's
successor's regime, they would do well to contemplate how and
why the last three presidents allowed the Butcher of Baghdad
to stay in power so long.

The history of America's relations with Saddam is one of
the sorrier tales in American foreign policy. Time and again,
America turned a blind eye to Saddam's predations, saw him as
the lesser evil or flinched at the chance to unseat him. No
single policymaker or administration deserves blame for
creating, or at least tolerating, a monster; many of their
decisions seemed reasonable at the time. Even so, there are
moments in this clumsy dance with the Devil that make one
cringe. It is hard to believe that, during most of the 1980s,
America knowingly permitted the Iraq Atomic Energy Commission
to import bacterial cultures that might be used to build
biological weapons.


Let me read that again:

It is hard to believe that, during most of the 1980s,
America knowingly permitted the Iraq Atomic Energy Commission
to import bacterial cultures that might be used to build
biological weapons. But it happened.


SNIP--->

"According to confidential Commerce Department export control documents obtained

<[Page S8989>]


by Newsweek, the shopping list included a computerized
database for Saddam's Interior Ministry, presumably to help
keep track of political opponents, helicopters to help
transport Iraqi officials, television cameras for video
surveillance applications, chemical analysis equipment for
the Iraq Atomic Energy Commission, IAEC, and, most
unsettling, numerous shipments of the bacteria, fungi,
protozoa to the IAEC.


"According to former officials the bacterial cultures
could be used to make biological weapons, including anthrax.
The State Department also approved the shipment of 1.5
million atropine injectors for use against the effects of
chemical weapons but the Pentagon blocked the sale.

"The helicopters, some American officials later surmised,
were used to spray poison gas on the Kurds. The United States
almost certainly knew from its own satellite imagery that
Saddam was using chemical weapons against Iranian troops.

"When Saddam bombed Kurdish rebels and civilians with a
lethal cocktail of mustard gas, sarin, tabun and VX in 1988,
the Reagan administration first blamed Iran before
acknowledging, under pressure from congressional Democrats,
that the culprit were Saddam's own forces. There was only
token official protest at the time. Saddam's men were
unfazed.

"An Iraqi audiotape later captured by the Kurds records
Saddam's cousin, Ali Hassan al-Majid, known as Ali Chemical,
talking to his fellow officers about gassing the Kurds.

Quote, `Who is going to say anything?' close quote, he asks,
`the international community? F-blank them!' exclamation
point, close quote."

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Smarmie Doofus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 09:07 AM
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11. Too true; but more to the point:
Can there BE a more obvious question?

Can there be a more OBVIOUS omission from a newspaper story?

Not only the Times. The (Yahoo?) account further down the page also ignores the question.


Surely it will be asked today on the Sunday morning M$M talkinghead panels!

Yes?

I hope!

And don't call me "Shirley".
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RestoreGore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 08:32 AM
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8. Oh goody... that should stop the violence
So when are they going to hang the suppliers of those chemicals? And shouldn't this have happened in the Hague?
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Bonhomme Richard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 08:41 AM
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9. It might go a long way if the Iraqi government just said............
no to the killing. Set the example that the killing has to stop.
No government can operate efficiently when it is consumed with vengeance and fear.
Are you listening down in Washington?
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Solo_in_MD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 10:06 AM
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12. Sorry guys, but I don't have a problem with this one dieing, preferably slowly and in massive pain
for that is what he inflicted on the Kurds. Chemical weapons are about as horrific as it gets.
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Smarmie Doofus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 12:29 PM
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13. In which case, wouldn't you like to see his suppliers ....
... made to answer as well ?!

Who gave 'em to him? And why?

And why won't the media... not to mention congress... "go there."

>>Chemical weapons are about as horrific as it gets.>>

Horrific indeed.


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Solo_in_MD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 08:52 PM
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14. Mixed feelings about suppliers, most of the technology is dual use
your basic chemical engineering stuff that can also make fertilizer and other chemicals. Regardless, the suppliers did not make the weapons or drop them on civilians.
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Smarmie Doofus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 09:40 AM
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17. Lot's of folks have been rounded-up...
... tried, sentenced and jailed in te USA in the last few years for having raised money for foreign "terror" outfits.

They neither made nor bought weapons nor distributed them nor used them.

Yet they are in jail.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 09:00 PM
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15. Because Reagan's dead already; last I heard!
:shrug:
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Smarmie Doofus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-26-07 09:36 AM
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16. So.... no one in his administration is in the least way....
... responsible for collaborating with the Iraqis in committing war crimes against the Iranians or in committing crimes against humanity against the Kurds?

Because Reagan's dead?

I don't get it; what am I missing?
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