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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 02:55 PM
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Have these people never read the Constitution? Article 2 clearly states
Edited on Sun Jun-24-07 02:58 PM by XemaSab
Section 1 - The President

The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his Office during the Term of four Years, and, together with the Vice-President chosen for the same Term, be elected, as follows:

Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.

(The Electors shall meet in their respective States, and vote by Ballot for two persons, of whom one at least shall not lie an Inhabitant of the same State with themselves. And they shall make a List of all the Persons voted for, and of the Number of Votes for each; which List they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the Seat of the Government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate. The President of the Senate shall, in the Presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the Certificates, and the Votes shall then be counted. The Person having the greatest Number of Votes shall be the President, if such Number be a Majority of the whole Number of Electors appointed; and if there be more than one who have such Majority, and have an equal Number of Votes, then the House of Representatives shall immediately chuse by Ballot one of them for President; and if no Person have a Majority, then from the five highest on the List the said House shall in like Manner chuse the President. But in chusing the President, the Votes shall be taken by States, the Representation from each State having one Vote; a quorum for this Purpose shall consist of a Member or Members from two-thirds of the States, and a Majority of all the States shall be necessary to a Choice. In every Case, after the Choice of the President, the Person having the greatest Number of Votes of the Electors shall be the Vice President. But if there should remain two or more who have equal Votes, the Senate shall chuse from them by Ballot the Vice-President.) (This clause in parentheses was superseded by the 12th Amendment.)

The Congress may determine the Time of chusing the Electors, and the Day on which they shall give their Votes; which Day shall be the same throughout the United States.

No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

(In Case of the Removal of the President from Office, or of his Death, Resignation, or Inability to discharge the Powers and Duties of the said Office, the same shall devolve on the Vice President, and the Congress may by Law provide for the Case of Removal, Death, Resignation or Inability, both of the President and Vice President, declaring what Officer shall then act as President, and such Officer shall act accordingly, until the Disability be removed, or a President shall be elected.) (This clause in parentheses has been modified by the 20th and 25th Amendments.)

The President shall, at stated Times, receive for his Services, a Compensation, which shall neither be increased nor diminished during the Period for which he shall have been elected, and he shall not receive within that Period any other Emolument from the United States, or any of them.

Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation:

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

Section 4 - Disqualification

The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.

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Article 1, Section 3

The Vice President of the United States shall be President of the Senate, but shall have no Vote, unless they be equally divided.

The Senate shall chuse their other Officers, and also a President pro tempore, in the absence of the Vice President, or when he shall exercise the Office of President of the United States.

The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: And no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two thirds of the Members present.


Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States: but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law.

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Amendment 12 - Choosing the President, Vice-President. Ratified 6/15/1804.

The Electors shall meet in their respective states, and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and of all persons voted for as Vice-President and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate;

The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted;

The person having the greatest Number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice. And if the House of Representatives shall not choose a President whenever the right of choice shall devolve upon them, before the fourth day of March next following, then the Vice-President shall act as President, as in the case of the death or other constitutional disability of the President.

The person having the greatest number of votes as Vice-President, shall be the Vice-President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed, and if no person have a majority, then from the two highest numbers on the list, the Senate shall choose the Vice-President; a quorum for the purpose shall consist of two-thirds of the whole number of Senators, and a majority of the whole number shall be necessary to a choice. But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.

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Amendment 20 - Presidential, Congressional Terms. Ratified 1/23/1933.

1. The terms of the President and Vice President shall end at noon on the 20th day of January, and the terms of Senators and Representatives at noon on the 3d day of January, of the years in which such terms would have ended if this article had not been ratified; and the terms of their successors shall then begin.

2. The Congress shall assemble at least once in every year, and such meeting shall begin at noon on the 3d day of January, unless they shall by law appoint a different day.

3. If, at the time fixed for the beginning of the term of the President, the President elect shall have died, the Vice President elect shall become President. If a President shall not have been chosen before the time fixed for the beginning of his term, or if the President elect shall have failed to qualify, then the Vice President elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified; and the Congress may by law provide for the case wherein neither a President elect nor a Vice President elect shall have qualified, declaring who shall then act as President, or the manner in which one who is to act shall be selected, and such person shall act accordingly until a President or Vice President shall have qualified.

4. The Congress may by law provide for the case of the death of any of the persons from whom the House of Representatives may choose a President whenever the right of choice shall have devolved upon them, and for the case of the death of any of the persons from whom the Senate may choose a Vice President whenever the right of choice shall have devolved upon them.


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Almost forgot:

Amendment 25 - Presidential Disability and Succession. Ratified 2/10/1967.

1. In case of the removal of the President from office or of his death or resignation, the Vice President shall become President.

2. Whenever there is a vacancy in the office of the Vice President, the President shall nominate a Vice President who shall take office upon confirmation by a majority vote of both Houses of Congress.

3. Whenever the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that he is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, and until he transmits to them a written declaration to the contrary, such powers and duties shall be discharged by the Vice President as Acting President.

4. Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.

Thereafter, when the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that no inability exists, he shall resume the powers and duties of his office unless the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive department or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit within four days to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. Thereupon Congress shall decide the issue, assembling within forty eight hours for that purpose if not in session. If the Congress, within twenty one days after receipt of the latter written declaration, or, if Congress is not in session, within twenty one days after Congress is required to assemble, determines by two thirds vote of both Houses that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall continue to discharge the same as Acting President; otherwise, the President shall resume the powers and duties of his office.


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When the vice president is mentioned, it's almost always with the president, except in his duties as president of the Senate. However, even there is a caveat that the vice president shall not oversee the impeachment of the president, but instead the presidency of the Senate deferrs to a THIRD branch, the Judiciary.

Morans.




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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 02:58 PM
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1. They don't actually believe their argument. They're just running down the clock.
They're 100% strategy. Keep spinning out bogus legal arguments that keep the clock ticking.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 03:14 PM
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5. Are there grounds for disbarring ALL their lawyers?
Some of them? Yoo? Gonzales?
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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 03:29 PM
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9. Spot on, Mondo Joe
:hi:
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bluerum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 03:32 PM
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10. I believe that can be ruled as contempt by a judge. eom
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 03:03 PM
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2. Congress didn't read Irai war amendment, doubt if they read art. 2
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 03:04 PM
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3. The VP has a constitutional role in the legislature.
And he has a constitutional role in the executive. Their argument falls apart on the insistence that the legislative role somehow negates the executive role. It doesn't. The VP has a legislative role and an executive role. Nor does Cheney's job as senate tie breaker and electoral college certifier allow him to function within the executive branch in his legislative role. Everything he does other than breaking senate ties and certifying electoral college votes he does as part of the executive branch. That would include accessing classified documents, studying energy and Iraq, and whatever else he has been up to since 2002 that he is so determined to shred every last bit of evidence of.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 03:06 PM
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4. They've read it - they don't care
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never_get_over_it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 03:17 PM
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6. In my opinion
the answer to this question regardless of the role the VP plays in the Senate - comes from how the VP is elected - he/she IS NOT ELECTED ON THEIR OWN but as a package with the President - there is no doubt the VP is part of the executive branch and Dick Cheney is the biggest ass hole in the world....
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 10:42 PM
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11. I actually spent a surprising amount of time trying to think of a bigger asshole
and I couldn't. :P
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conscious evolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 03:21 PM
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7. I just figured out why cheney is the target
The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: And no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two thirds of the Members present.

Congress knows that with roberts presiding nothing will be allowed to happen.It is guaranteed that he will throw up every obstacle imaginable in an attempt to protect bush.
The VP on the other hand will not have such protection.
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 10:47 PM
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13. more importantly
he needs to go first, so there is no frigging way he becomes pres.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 10:57 PM
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14. I know it sure looks like it's all been calculated, but I'm having a
very hard time believing they are that smart! Even collectively, they've made some very very stupid mistakes. I honestly don't think there's a REAL INTELLIGENT person in the whole crowd! I do think the "Permanent Pub Control" idea is real and that WAS planned for a very long time, but the plan is falling appart since their "threatened loyalty Congress" was ousted last November. It's not happening fast enough to suit any of us, but it is happening. They're not nearly as smart as they thought they were!
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 03:26 PM
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8. No, they are not MORANS
Edited on Sun Jun-24-07 03:27 PM by Gman
They know exactly what they are doing. All of this is carefully calculated. They want you to think they're morans as in, "gosh, durn... well.. we didn't know and we sure are trying to do the right thing... blah, blah, blah".
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-24-07 10:46 PM
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12. i keep telling myself that
they are untangling the gordian knot ever so carefully

I keep saying that, over, and over, to keep from exploding

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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-25-07 12:32 AM
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15. I think they're counting on not enough of us reading it, or not being told to read it by the MSM!
Edited on Mon Jun-25-07 12:33 AM by calipendence
Scott Ritter keeps reminding us that immigrants to this country are schooled on the constitution more than we are as citizens already here.
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GeorgeGist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-25-07 04:55 AM
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16. The title of your post assumes ...
they give a damn.

Sorry to single you out, because you are by no means a minority in this country, but the merest suggestion that Bush/Cheney et al give a damn is a denial of reality.
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paparush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-25-07 07:55 AM
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17. Let's see - Did Congress read the Patriot Act ? No
Did Congress read the War Authorization? No

Is Congress reading the Constitution? Survey Says! .........NO!

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yodermon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-25-07 08:48 AM
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18. What is a "civil Officer of the United States"? Legally?

"The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors."

Do "civil officers" include such entities as Karl Rove?
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-25-07 05:41 PM
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19. rove is a staffer - not an "officer"
ironic though it may seem, given that he has been given free reign over every aspect of our executive branch

I think the requirement for senate confirmation is a pretty good way to id who could be impeached.
no confirmation req'd=no impeachment possible (at least thats what i think i saw somewhere)

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