Elwood P Dowd
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Sun Jun-24-07 08:01 PM
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Juan Pablo Montoya first hispanic to win in NASCAR Nextel Cup |
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He won a NASCAR Bush race in March, and today he won the Sonoma, California NASCAR Nextel Cup race. This guy has won in Formula One, Indy cars, and now NASCAR.
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Sun Jun-24-07 08:03 PM
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1. No surprise he won on a road course. |
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Montoya is good, and his abilities on a road course are evident. How long till he can win on an oval in a NEXTEL Cup car is what i am curious about.
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Elwood P Dowd
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Sun Jun-24-07 08:06 PM
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2. He had a Top 5 finish at Atlanta I think. |
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The oval wins will probably come next year after he gains more experience.
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Sun Jun-24-07 08:54 PM
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4. Oval?! Try the streets of Monte Carlo! |
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Sun Jun-24-07 10:15 PM
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15. I remember an oval win somewhere in Indiana. |
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The NASCAR wins will come.
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Mon Jun-25-07 12:58 AM
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His win today was because of fuel strategy rather than having the best car. A win is a win regardless of how Juan got there but Robby Gordon had the best car and crappy fuel mileage. Congrats to JPM and the #42 team.
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Sun Jun-24-07 08:50 PM
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Edited on Sun Jun-24-07 08:57 PM by WinkyDink
It isn't the "Hispanic" factor that's noteworthy; it's that an F1 driver can just cross over and WIN!
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Elwood P Dowd
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Sun Jun-24-07 09:34 PM
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5. Juan Pablo is not your typical F1 driver. |
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He has experience on ovals from his Indy car days. He is also not in it strictly for the money. As his car owner says, "Juan Pablo lives to race, while most drivers race to live". IOW, they're in it strictly for the money. Juan Pablo took a huge cut in pay, but he wanted some real racing other than the follow the leader F1 crap.
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Sun Jun-24-07 09:52 PM
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9. Montoya left F1 because he wasn't winning there, and he knew NASCAR would be |
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Edited on Sun Jun-24-07 09:53 PM by WinkyDink
easier pickings.
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Elwood P Dowd
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Sun Jun-24-07 10:01 PM
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10. Well, he is 19th in the points standings |
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Edited on Sun Jun-24-07 10:06 PM by Elwood P Dowd
so it's not easier pickings.
Edit to add: Juan Pablo has raced for Chip Ganassi before and won the Indy 500 with him. Chip was one of the reasons JPM left Formula 1.
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Sun Jun-24-07 10:11 PM
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13. I don't think "easier pickings" is what he thought. |
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I think "more competition". He knew that F1 is lopsided, that one or two teams dominate. He knew he had no chance against the Ferraris, OK, the McLarens this year. NASCAR has more even racing (well, except for the bowtie domination. Is this the first Dodge win this year?). In F1, a world champion with the wrong car is just an also ran.
Then again, maybe he thought "steady job", and "no layoff".
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Mon Jun-25-07 03:18 PM
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23. Maybe losing to his teammate in 2005 and 2006 disappointed him |
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It may have made him think he'd lost his edge.
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Sun Jun-24-07 09:39 PM
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6. Side question : how do they know where to place the cars on restarts or |
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red flags after wrecks and heavy rain? Suppose that a driver was just be getting momentum and passing a bunch of cars when a wreck happens as one example.
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Sun Jun-24-07 09:44 PM
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7. The tracks now have sensors that locate each car at the time a caution |
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or red flag is thrown. Before that they continued racing back to the finish line to determine restart positions, which occasionally turned out rather badly.
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Mon Jun-25-07 11:25 AM
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Sun Jun-24-07 09:47 PM
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8. They have cameras and computers |
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When the yellow flag comes out, they have video of each car and it's position on the track at that very instant.
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Mon Jun-25-07 11:25 AM
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Sun Jun-24-07 10:08 PM
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11. 2nd Non-American EVER to win in NASCAR! The first one was |
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apparently back in 1974, and he was from Canada...
Some real sour grapes comments afterwards from Robby Gordon, saying that he flat-out got lucky because of fuel economy strategy, but guess what - that's part of the game! Here's the world's smallest violin, playing just for you Robby! :nopity:
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Sun Jun-24-07 10:09 PM
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12. Robby is a first class whiner. Mind if I join in? |
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Mon Jun-25-07 03:35 PM
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24. Ooh, another Robby Gordon tidbit I forgot to bring up - |
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recall a couple of years ago when Danica qualified on the front row at Indianapolis, and Gordon accused her of CHEATING because she weighs barely 100 lbs., which is probably 100 lbs. less than his ample posterior! Never mind that the rules stipulate a minimum weight for the car, not including the driver, but he couldn't get over that "unfair advantage" :eyes: that she supposedly had...
He really is the classic case of the performer with the million-dollar talent and the ten-cent brain!!
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Sun Jun-24-07 10:12 PM
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He is a helluva road racer though. Tony Stewart use to complain about drivers winning on fuel mileage, then he won Chicago on....... fuel mileage.
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Sun Jun-24-07 10:24 PM
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16. It's easy to hate Robbie... |
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but anybody who runs Dakar (let alone a stage winner) is tops in my book. I miss the time when Indy, NASCAR, F1 drivers, and dirt track drivers regularly faced each other in a variety of races. AJ raced at Le Mans, Indy, and Daytona, and Mario raced everywhere.
Besides, it's fun to watch Robbie throw his helmet.
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Sun Jun-24-07 10:35 PM
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17. He walked out on the track at New Hampshire and threw his helmet at Michael Waltrip's |
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car during a caution. That was funny. Mickey is a republican jerk and fundie fruit loop, so I had to laugh at that one.
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Sun Jun-24-07 11:33 PM
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18. Good for him - his move to NASCAR from F1 seems to have paid off |
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Sun Jun-24-07 11:58 PM
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19. It was a fun race to watch..... |
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I just knew when he took the lead he wasn't going to pit. He had to be running on fumes when he crossed the finish line. Harvick sort of got sucked in to believing Montoya wouldn't make it on fuel and laid back a bit. I imagine he learned a hard lesson.
Great race and congrats to Juan Pablo Montoya.
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