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ladywnch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-03-07 02:18 PM
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Feed the homeless and go to jail. What a model of Christianity this country is becoming

Orlando homeless laws stir heated debate

there are the signs.

DO NOT LIE OR OTHERWISE BE IN A HORIZONTAL POSITION ON A PARK BENCH ... DO NOT SLEEP OR REMAIN IN ANY BUSHES, SHRUBS OR FOLIAGE ... per city code sec. 18A.09 (a) and (o).

Visit the park's restrooms, and you'll find this sign on the wall above the hand dryers:

BATHING AND/OR SHAVING IN RESTROOM IS PROHIBITED ... per city code 18A.09 (p) ... LAUNDERING CLOTHES IN LAKE EOLA PARK IS NOT PERMITTED.

Since joggers and dog walkers tend not to snooze in flower beds, and because employees at the glittering office towers around Lake Eola don't scrub laundry in park sinks, it's clear, says Monique Vargas, at whom the notices are targeted.

"They're talking to us, to the homeless," says Vargas, 28, who says she has lived on the streets, in parks or under overpasses, since age 16. "It's a way of saying, 'Your kind isn't wanted in our city.'"

Orlando, population 200,000, works hard to conjure the image of a true-life Pleasantville: a safe, welcoming place where visitors can soak up year-round sunshine and devour choreographed experiences at palm-ringed theme parks. But its spotless sidewalks, sparkling lakes and twinkling skyline belie a real city with real maladies — most notably, a surging homeless population that authorities are struggling to control.

After a law that banned panhandling was struck down by the courts, the city tried to discourage aggressive beggars by obliging them to carry ID cards, and later by confining them to 3-by-15-foot "panhandling zones" painted in blue on sidewalks downtown.

Despite these laws, the number of people living on the streets of the Orlando metro area swelled, from roughly 5,000 in 1999 to an estimated 8,500 today, dwarfing the city's shelter capacity for 2,000 people.

So in July, the city commission tried a "supply-side" approach: It passed an ordinance regulating the feeding of large groups of people in Orlando's downtown parks.

Those who wished to feed more than 25 hungry individuals at parks within a 2-mile radius of City Hall could do so, but only if they obtained a "Large Group Feeding Permit" from the parks department — and no one would be granted more than two feeding permits a year.

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A 2006 report on 67 cities by her group and the National Coalition for the Homeless, a nonpartisan, non-profit network, found an 18 percent increase since 2002 in laws prohibiting aggressive panhandling; a 12 percent jump in laws outlawing "passive" begging; a 14 percent rise in laws defining sitting or lying in public places as criminal acts.

Says Michael Stoops, the coalition's executive director in Washington, D.C.: "The idea is to drive the visible homeless out of downtown America, so that cities can attract developers, big money."

What's wrong with attracting investment?

Nothing, Stoops says — unless it comes at the expense of decency. "It's a sorry state of affairs when you can feed the squirrels, the doves and pigeons at Lake Eola, but not a hungry guy down on his luck."


for full story check link below:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070203/ap_on_re_us/do_not_feed_the_homeless_1

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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-03-07 02:21 PM
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1. The local Food Not Bombs here (Tampa) caught all kinds of hell
for feeding the homeless in parks. It reeked of NIMBY mentality.
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nam78_two Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-03-07 02:37 PM
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6. Weren't they on one of those shady terror-watch lists too?
I remember the ACLU reports on that. Lots of anti-poverty/vegan/enviro groups on there. Just more proof about who this admin. really considers the "enemy" :eyes:.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-03-07 02:44 PM
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9. Oh, yeah. Goes hand in hand with this area.
We get the badged camera monkeys coming out to every little protest or leafletting. Yeah, the terrorists are picketing the circus again.

Sigh.
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-03-07 02:23 PM
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2. More of our despicable puritan heritage: it's a sin to be poor,
even while our corporate government forces this state upon us.
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bluerum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-03-07 02:24 PM
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3. That's why I laugh when these hypocrites use god to justify their
inhuman treatment of their fellow man.

No shortage of lying hypocrisy in the republik party.
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Verde Donating Member (94 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-03-07 02:32 PM
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4. Sickening. The thought processes that went into making laws like this
are frightening to consider. I guess they figure that if they can't see it, there's no problem.
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Cabcere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-03-07 02:46 PM
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10. Welcome to DU, Verde!
:hi: And yeah, I agree with you - it is scary how callous people can be. :(
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-03-07 03:01 PM
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12. Our country has come to this.
Welcome to DU. :hi:
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Ignacio Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-03-07 02:36 PM
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5. This is fucked up
n/t.
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-03-07 02:41 PM
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7. Orlando is one of the most disgusting shit-holes on the planet..
Edited on Sat Feb-03-07 02:41 PM by Webster Green
Rampant corporate greed, traffic nightmares and clueless inhabitants abound.

I would rather move to Antarctica than spend one day in Orlando.B-)
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-03-07 02:42 PM
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8. I guess it goes to show that Christianity is not the answer.
It's about people of all faiths and ethnicities passing laws that make sure that no one in their community doesn't have the basic needs of life. Religion be damned. We need social democracy for the well off to be obligated to help out the less fortunate with the excess money they have that they don't need.
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Life Long Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-03-07 02:59 PM
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11. Proof, that the economy is great.
That's 3500 more homeless since 1999 in this city alone.
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Bright Eyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-03-07 03:34 PM
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13. Aint that America?
little pink houses for you and me, eh?
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