Jesus. Benoit's son was retarded

[CatWoman]

and had tracks in his arm, presumably from taking growth hormones :cry:

[originalpckelly]

1. Poor kid.

Getting shot up by your parents with HGH! :grr:

What the fuck was wrong with these people?

[CatWoman]

2. also being reported

that Benoit used a choke hold to kill the boy :cry:

[sniffa]

5. not true

it was his patented, "crippLer crossface" hoLd.

[CatWoman]

7. Hi Sniffa

:hi:

long time no see :)

[sniffa]

18. hi catwoman

backatcha. :hi:

[JVS]

13. and some say it's all phoney bologna

[flvegan]

44. Should a 7 year old be administering meds via injection him/herself?

[Rosemary2205]

56. My nephew is type 1 diabetic and does his own shots and testing.

He goes and tells mom or dad what the blood sugar results were, what he figured for the amount of insulin and lets them check the figures and syringe to make sure it's right. All they do is doublecheck. He does everything else.

He's not quite 7.


That said, I don't think a child with learning disabilities could do it but who knows.

[caligirl]

88. Good for them in giving him such confidence and ownership of his management.

Mom of type 1 five years now(19 year old son)

[karlrschneider]

3. Ruh roh, you used the R word.

...

[BlooInBloo]

4. Zoinks!

[CatWoman]

6. hey!!

I just got this information from Dan Abrams.

What word "should" I use?

[JVS]

9. special

[karlrschneider]

10. Don't ask me. Something "challenged" I guess. The R word is verboten

according to a lot of DUers. :eyes:

[terisan]

61. Do you know any retarded people or their families ? Do they find use of the term retarded to insult

all right. Please try putting youself in the shoes of a mildly retarded adolescent who has heard himself or herself described as a "retard" at school or a parent of a retarded child who hears the term applied as an insult to a person who does not have that disability.

[karlrschneider]

74. My nephew is, according to his mom my sister, somewhat retarded.

He even says it's what afflicts him so yes I guess I do "know" someone. And I'm aware of the word 'retard' (a manufactured word mostly used hatefully much like 'fag'.)

But here's the thing, and there's really no way of getting around it: Nobody can be insulted without their consent.
People use pejorative words (as currently understood...) to get a rise out of someone; it's their way of convincing themselves they're superior but it's an illusion. Trite adages like "sticks and stones" may seem a little sappy but they're generally true.
:-)

[terisan]

82. But people who are mentally retarded are usually far less able to defend themselves.

I think you are wrong about that old adage. Words do hurt and, I believe, can lead to more verbal abuse and also physical abuse by others who hear seemingly normal people using the pejorative terms.

Verbal insults to children are considered a form of child abuse and are considered bullying.
Consider the verbal abuse of Jews throughout the 1930's in Germany.

Families who have had a hard time coping with a child's developmental disability or retardation have often told me that it is the lack of acceptance or just meanness and thoughtlessness of other people that is most hurtful and difficult.

I think gay people have become more accepted and respected in our society because they demanded the same and have stood up for themselves. Mentally retarded people are far less equipped than most gay people to do this.

I can't change the behavior of people but I can bear witness and that is what I am doing here. I know that society seeks scapegoats and I have seen mentally retarded struggling to survive in institutions that were like concentration camps-filth, crowding lack of medical care, injuries, early deaths, medical experimentation.

I saw many well-educated people who considered themselves Democrats and Liberals accept and defend immense cruelties and fight against change. We are only 30 years away from those treatments and I think it is possible that they will come back.

This may seem a long way away from the issue of insults to and about mentally disabled people but I think there is a connection.

[wisteria]

97. My daughter is mentally challenged.

Retarded was at one time a medical term used to differentiate those with lower IQ's from those with normal IQ's. Unfortunately,retarded or retard as some say, has become a slang word with negative and hurtful connotations associated with it. My daughter may be slower to learn, but she is smart enough to know when someone is making fun of her disability.

What is a shame in this situation is the family could not accept the child as he was. They were trying to make him what they considered normal.

[BlooInBloo]

12. I have it on the strong authority of DUers that "retarded" is just like "negro".

EDIT: Of course that's asinine. I'm just the messenger here.

[Warpy]

19. More than one decent conversation has been destroyed

by language police.

I bark back.

Context is everything.

[pansypoo53219]

23. retard can only be used

for people who don't use the brains they have.

[terisan]

54. Retard is an insult, is meant as an insult. Why hurt the feelings of people who are retarded

and their families? Try volunteering for awhile in your local school's special education class and ask the children and adolescents who are mildly retarded whether they like hearing themselves called retards or have it used as a joke or insult to describe people who do not have that disability. Talk to their parents, siblings, teachers and social workers.

People of typical or "normal" intelligence who don't use the brains they have are ignorant, not retarded.

Making fun of people struggling with disabilities is no joke.

[Poiuyt]

31. Of course, both of those terms are still used in the scientific communities

Just not so much in everyday talk

[mitchum]

76. Mentally retarded is appropriate if he was evaluated and found to...

have that particular intellectual disability

[proud2BlibKansan]

83. It depends on what state he lives in

Some states use "mentally retarded", some use "mentally handicapped" and some use "developmentally disabled".

[mitchum]

84. Correct: here in Georgia, he would have been classified as "mentally retarded"...

if testing had indicated that he met the criteria

[proud2BlibKansan]

86. Same in MO

I am a special ed teacher and I HATE that term. I wish they would go back to "mentally handicapped".

[mitchum]

87. Take heart; it may change back to that or something else entirely different...

by the time school resumes in the fall. You know what I'm talking about...

I'm also a special ed teacher. And an entirely different person in real life than I am here online :)
Hope you are having a good summer

[Blue-Jay]

69. "Retarded" is the correct term.

Calling someone a "retard" has a totally different connotation, however.

[mentalsolstice]

81. Disabled PC Police here!

Correct terms are "mentally disabled", "learning disabled", or "physically disabled." We don't like "crippled", "retard", "lame" (my grandfather's favorite for describing me), or several others. The aforementioned terms are all that's needed to describe us.

I was born with (barely noticeable) cerebral palsy. Imagine how I felt when I went into the college infirmary with a sprained ankle, and the on-duty nurse vocally described me several times as a "spastic" through the waiting area, lab area and examining area, as my fellow peers listened in.

I'm just saying to be kind, and categorize a person in the kindest way possible, if such categorization is even necessary.

[tammywammy]

8. I read that earlier today

Very sad

[Skittles]

11. growth homones: was diagnosed with a form of dwarfism

that's what I read

[CatWoman]

14. hey you!!!

:hi:

good to see ya!! :)

[Skittles]

15. whassup Midori?

check it out, am hanging with the day crowd! :o :hi:

[durrrty libby]

16. fragile x is not dwarfism more likely mental retardation

[Hawkeye-X]

17. yup.

Fragile X Syndrome is what Benoit's son has.

[durrrty libby]

20. I've been an R.N. for a long time and that is a rare but devestating diagnosis

A family needs mucho support to deal with it
I wonder why they did not get it?

[xmas74]

21. I've worked with Fragile X consumers in the past.

Very hard one to deal with and can include multiple other problems along with it.

The Fragile X consumers I worked with were all well below average height but not quite short enough to be diagnosed w/ dwarfism and all were in the severe to profound range for MR.

[durrrty libby]

26. Yes it can cause extreme stress in a family. That is why families

need support. It is similar to autism

[xmas74]

38. My consumers were in institutions.

They were institutionalized many years back, before the more modern times of community support.

No matter what the problem (even if there isn't anything wrong with a child) families need support. When you're dealing w/ physical, mental, developmental, etc. more support is needed.

(And I just re-read the Fragile X info. I'd forgotten about the large ears until I saw it in print once again-and the annoying hand clapping.)

[Donnachaidh]

22. might have something to do with Daddy's BIG MACHO IMAGE?

After all, a real MAN who wrestles for a living could not possibly have a kid with a genetic disorder, right? :sarcasm:

[durrrty libby]

24. There is no denying that ego can get in the way

[Matsubara]

28. Or maybe guilt that all the 'roids in his system might have helped cause the defect.

Actually, it's amazing that he concieved, considering that long-term 'roid use causes infertility.

[JVS]

32. A father can't give fragile X to a son, it's like colorblindness

[LisaL]

39. Yes, it's inherited from the mother, so seems the steroid use

shouldn't have played any role in it.

[Matsubara]

41. Okay, I stand corrected.

Too bad about the son, either way. Benoit should have just took himself out and let his wife and kid have a life.

[melody]

25. this damned story can't get any sadder n/t

[CatWoman]

27. so very true, Melody

it's so heartbreaking :cry:

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

29. Where Is This Information Coming From? How The Hell Would You Get Tracks From HGH????

I was one of the FIRST people ever to get the synthetic HGH when it went on market, after having taken the natural form for 2 years. I was on the synthetic HGH for over 8 years. You inject it into muscle, either bicep or butt cheek. But there are no track marks. I don't know where on earth this information is coming from.

[bleedingheart]

30. I get track marks when I donate blood...

some folks are more inclined to getting them...

don't know anything about HGH...but after one hospital stay both of my arms were bruised for weeks (I was hospitalized for asthma related issue)...

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

35. You Don't Put HGH In Your Veins.

This makes zero sense to me.

[LisaL]

37. What is reported is they found track marks on child's arms.

They are speculating the parents could have been injecting him with HGH.
Maybe it was something else.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

42. They Didn't Say Track Marks In The Articles I Read, They Said Needle Marks. Huge Difference There.

But if you are using the appropriate needles in which to inject the HGH, which are basically identical to ones for diabetics, he shouldn't have really had too many visible needle marks either. But I can understand the potential for needle marks. Track marks is just stupid.

[flvegan]

43. Yeah, but doesn't "track marks" make for a better headline?

Our media is beyond responsible reporting.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

45. I Didn't See One Report That Called It Track Marks, Other Than This OP. Have You?

I'm curious if any article actually said that or not, since you're claiming they had.

[flvegan]

47. I claim nothing.

I'm going on what's been stated and then refuted by yourself. Settle down.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

48. You Were Inferring That They Had. I Was Inferring They Hadn't, Unless You Saw Something I Didn't.

So you settle down pal.

[flvegan]

50. You know

even talking to you on an even level is like slamming ones head against the wall.

Bye.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

52. Indeed. But It Is Not You Whose Head Is Rhetorically Doing The Slamming.

Accuracy matters. If the media isn't the one who called it track marks then we have no reason to believe they would. You wanted me to jump on the 'Fuck the media!' gravy train even though in this case there may not have been reason to do so, though I'm still not certain. You may want to base your positions on things that may not be real but I choose not to. Don't get all huffy because of I think accuracy and integrity matters, and because I don't think jumping on 'me too!' gravy trains without confirmed reason is honorable. :hi:

[Pastiche423]

64. You are not alone, flvegan

It's irritating as hell.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

65. Awwwww, Too Bad.

:nopity:

[bettyellen]

63. I Saw A Post Here About Track Marks, but the Poster Couldn't Back It Up, So I Assume It's Bullshit.

No Linky Whatsoever!

[LisaL]

85. I personally am not aware what is the difference between track

marks and needle marks. I thought it meant the same thing.

[Seedersandleechers]

94. Track marks was a term used to

describe the marks seen on IV drug abusers. As they usually use the same needles over and over again the needle becomes dull, thereby leaving a larger hole in the vein, and when they use the same veins it leaves marks (tracks) as they inject different sites on the same vein. IMOP...

[Rosemary2205]

34. My guess is

media people pulling shit out their rumps instead of doing some homework and waiting for actual truth in the form of the toxicology tests.

Seems to be SOP in the media.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

36. You're Probably Right. As Soon As I Saw The Thread Saying Track Marks From HGH, In A Child, My Mind

went WTF??? I don't see any way that it could be real. Track marks are from intravenous methods, not intramuscular.

[Drum]

46. So true.

The breathless speed with which they rush to report first, however inaccurately or sensationally...that's what keeps getting people so cranked up about things before the whole story is known. That and their deafness to wrongdoing among the GOP (as well as the instant-packaging of their dire graphics and background music) make me really loathe the MSM. They've replaced the tabloids, and are a million times louder.
:(


(Edit: attempts to repair bad grammar and spelling)

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

49. After Reading Multiple Articles On The Subject, I Haven't Found One That Said It.

Unless a live commentator said it, then it may have been an elaboration on the part of the OP rather than the media. The OP hasn't provided the source, so at this time I really don't know for sure which.

[Rosemary2205]

51. I've heard and read it several times since yesterday.

I didn't save any links but I'm sure I read on one of the Atlanta TV station websites that autopsy said there are track marks --- though to be honest it COULD have been one of those rasslin' rumor websites. I know for a fact I heard it on MSNBC earlier today -- sometime between noon and 3pm.

So it is an "official" rumor that's going around -- not just this OP.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

55. All The Articles Said Needle Marks. Are You Sure They Said Track Marks Or Needle Marks?

[Rosemary2205]

58. Track marks

To be honest I don't know where I read that late last night. But I know for a fact the verbal reporting was on MSNBC today and it was definately "track marks".

That doesn't mean it's accurate.

[Rosemary2205]

60. BTW most everything I've seen says "needle marks" though. nt

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

68. I'm Sure An Idiot Or Two On TV Misinterprets One For The Other Though. Wouldn't Shock Me.

But I was taken aback by the OP when I first read it since I took HGH for many years and know that the last thing it's gonna give ya is track marks. Whoever said it on tv should really educate themselves on how HGH is administered LOL. If you're puttin it in your veins, you're just quite simply doing it wrong. :)

[Drum]

53. I don't disagree with you.

I was just replying to Rosemary2205's sentiments about the media, in general terms. Perhaps it looked like a response to your post? I'll check again to see if I misplaced it.

[bicentennial_baby]

57. Ok, I don't even post here anymore really, but

can you quit it with the f'n caps? Jeebus. No need to capitalize every f'n word in the title.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

59. Oh Get A Grip. Like I'm The Only One That Does It. Get Over It.

Don't like it? Too bad, so sad. Cry me a fucking river.

[BlooInBloo]

66. Actually, I thought you *were* the only one who did that (outside of OPs). lol!

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

72. Nah, Just The One Most On The Radar LOL. Several Do, Including The Person Of Which I Did It For

to begin with: DU'er 'The Magistrate'.

In the year or whatever I lurked here for prior to joining, I used to always admire his style, intellect and point of view. He ALWAYS posted in such a style, so since he was one of the DU'ers I respected the most, when I joined I just simply started posting with that style as well. Now it's just ingrained habit. But it still cracks me up how some attack it as if it means something somehow LOL

[BlooInBloo]

73. Well there ya go.

[Shakespeare]

79. I've been here since day 1, and The Magistrate has NEVER posted in all caps.

It's difficult to read, and considered bad net form. There's a good reason people don't like it.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

91. I Mean, That's Great And All, But That's Also Not What Anyone Was Talking About.

That may be why you're confused.

[Name removed]

62. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[MonkeyFunk]

67. LOL

:thumbsup:

[Blue-Jay]

70. Baaahahahahaha!

:rofl:

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

71. ROFLMAO!

:spray:

:rofl:

[AwakeAtLast]

75. OMG, I thought it and you posted it

Well, you did a much better job than I would have, but you get the idea!

:rofl:

[Name removed]

77. Deleted sub-thread

Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

93. Wow. That explains a LOT. -nt

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

95. Really? Like What? Do You Actually Mean It Explains Nothing? Or Are You Talking From A Standpoint

of ignorance on the subject and therefore think that there's anything that can actually be explained by it? :shrug:

Just wanted to check if you misspoke by accident or you just simply didn't know what in the world you were talking about. I'll await your clarification of premise. :hi:

[AlCzervik]

33. this story gets even more tragic with every new detail.

[JerseygirlCT]

40. Oh man. nt

[soothsayer]

78. I thought he was GROWTH retarded (small for his age) and that's

why the dad was giving him illegal growth hormones.

[Breeze54]

80. That's what I heard also.

He had a growth problem and was under sized for his age.

[MonteLukast]

90. Some bodybuilders...

... take GH to increase their bulk, too.

One of the muscle magazines had an article a few months ago strongly criticizing this practice. Flex, I think.

[MonteLukast]

89. There was an article on Yahoo today...

...about mice showing lessening of autism signs when a crucial enzyme called PAK was inhibited.

It also drew the link between Fragile X syndrome and autism (they coincide in about 40 percent of cases).

When I gave blood last week, I found out that receiving growth hormone at any time in your life *permanently* defers you from blood donation, and possibly organ donation as well.

Don't know a whole lot about GH, but it would seem to be that in the long run it would cause more harm than good, possibly worsen the mental/behavioral problems, especially if the culprit is a chromosome abnormality like Fragile X.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

98. Couple Corrections To Your Post:

You are only banned from donating blood if you received HGH that was manufactured from cadavers. This process stopped altogether in the 80's, when the synthetic version of HGH became available. As long as someone who received HGH therapy has never been exposed to the cadaver version, they can donate blood just fine.

Also, the risks associated with normal dosing of children with HGH are very minimal. There were some concerns, especially with women, as to a possible increased risk of breast cancer. I believe there may be a slightly increased risk of prostate cancer as well. Other problems may be able to arise if the dose is not controlled and too much is given, but if done normally there is no mental/behavioral problems that would occur.

[CatWoman]

92. sorry I missed the party last night

but to clarify, I got the "track marks" comment from Dan Abrams last night, as well as the choke hold information.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

96. Another Poster Had Said The Same. I'm Surprised Too Since He Should Know Better.

Generally in the past I've liked Abrams and some of his analysis. But he looks like a fool for equating needle marks with track marks, especially for something that is injected intramuscularly rather than intravenously. I'm actually still surprised there were even needle marks. I wonder if they were even using the right fine needles?