China Continuing to Poison US?

[HCE SuiGeneris]

Was directed to this article by a Freeper I do battle with, so take it with a grain of salt -- or whatever food you feel is safe.

"Seafood imports from China raised in untreated sewage
Fish products consumed by Americans treated with dangerous drugs, chemicals"

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=56004

I know, I know... WorldNetDaily :hide:

[madeline_con]

1. That's disgusting...

Why don't Chinese people demand better?

[cassiepriam]

29. It is a communist country. Complaining not allowed.

[tom_paine]

51. It is also the future of Imperial Amerika.

get used to it. Hell, we're not too far from that now.

[cassiepriam]

55. At least the Chinese gov't doesn't pretend to be a democracy.

[AlCzervik]

2. you know i really want to know? Why in the hell are we importing catfish from China?

we have plenty of it that is fished in this country so why import it, how much less could it cost that it makes it a good business decision?

[HCE SuiGeneris]

4. Makes no sense to me...

I'm afraid of anything relating to food with a Chinese label now.

[canetoad]

5. Unknowingly bought some of this stuff

Well, from Vietnam.Packaged as frozen Freshwater Basa, it certainly looked edible enough. It was foul, dirty tasting stuff. Further research found that it was indeed a factory farmed catfish from the Mekong Delta, which is practically an open sewer.

[cassiepriam]

31. So the American CEO can become a billionaire.

The American way is to sell the cheapest product at the highest
prices so the Corporations can become vastly wealthy.

[MLFerrell]

32. If it costs even a fraction of a cent less, bottom line-wise...

Then an American corporation will buy it, no questions asked. The only thing that they answer to is this ---> $.

[ConsAreLiars]

3. Ask why US businesses

pay those criminals for poison and then sell it as food to people in the US. Aren't those who import toxic substances because it is cheaper and sell it to us as food the real criminals?

(edit to add a phrase)

[HCE SuiGeneris]

6. Companies operating outside the law because our

standards for both inspection and enforcement have completely been relaxed. I suppose we can thank our wonderful paid governmental "representatives" for their dedicated supervision. :mad:

[ConsAreLiars]

7. And ask your dittohead adversaries

why they think deregulation of corporations operating in the US helps protect them from these crimes.

[sandnsea]

8. Back in April

DU posted on the catfish story, and I remember posting on the Seattle port and the amount of food rejected.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=2827138&mesg_id=2827138

There has also been a recall of a lot of children's toys for being painted with lead paint. And a Halloween Evil Eye toy that they put KEROSENE in.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

9. If even half of this article is true, and all the other info we are receiving

is valid, it would appear that there is an intentional effort to deliver poisonous "goods" to the U.S. importers.

[sandnsea]

10. And killing their children in the process??

Honestly. Why do you choose to believe that.

Research. Read about what is going on in China. Read about the poverty and their polluted rivers. They are very concerned about what is happening to their country. They have no voice. Not with their manufacturers or government, not with our corporations who buy the products. As much as I hate what is happening with illegal workers in this country, what is being done in our name is 10 times worse in China and India, etc. They are not doing this on purpose. Greedy fucks just don't care.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

14. Why do I believe what? Who has no voice?

You are telling me the people selling us this shit -- the brokers in China -- don't know that their products are tainted? It is greed on both sides of the business "deal" that are screwing us. I am not attacking the Chinese worker for chissakes.

[sandnsea]

16. It's not a deliberate conspiracy

to murder Americans.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

18. It is a deliberate effort to use tainted goods...

putting the "bottom line" before health safety.

[sandnsea]

20. No

It's a deliberate effort to use sub-standard foods - not tainted foods. Big difference. Same result.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

22. Sub-standard... as in poisonous? n/t

[sandnsea]

23. No. As in sub-standard

If that particular spinach grower used a cheaper product to clean their spinach - did they do that to INTENTIONALLY TAINT THE SPINACH? Or did they simply use a sub-standard cleaner which resulted in an UNintentionally tained product.

There's a difference and you simply can't go around making wild accuasations of intentional murder when there's NO evidence that supports it.

(If they did that, which I have no idea whether they did.)

[HCE SuiGeneris]

24. Putting anti-freeze ingredients into cough medicine is NOT

using a sub-standard product. Diethylene glycol is not fit for human consumption. "Through a state-owned company, Taixing Glycerine sold diethylene glycol as pharmaceutical grade glycerine.

Diethylene glycol is used in solvents and as an antitfreeze. When consumed by humans, it results in difficulty breathing, and death." http://consumerist.com/consumer/diethylene-glycol/counterfeit-cough-medicine-traced-to-chinese-factory-258113.php

[sandnsea]

25. What's in our toothpaste?

Do you know? Do you know which ingredients could kill us if too much is put into a product?

There is not an intentional plot to kill Americans with these products. If there is, they're doing a horrible job because their people really are dying and ours aren't.

So, why did you deny that you believe this is intentional, and then turn around and say you do. I don't get it.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

34. No, you don't get it. You have that part correct.

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[sandnsea]

39. "China Continuing To Poison US"

That's in your very first post. And throughout the entire thread, you continue to speak of intent to poison people in the US.

There is no intentional effort to deliver poison anywhere. There is negligence, not intent. An intentional effort to deliver poisonous goods to the US, which are your words, means an intent to murder Americans. Why else would there be an intentional EFFORT to deliver poisonous goods.

If that's not what you meant to say, then all you have to do is say so. You don't have to attack me and everybody else in the thread because you misspoke.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

41. I have made no mistake. You are arguing semantics.

WordNet - Cite This Source
intentional

adjective
1. characterized by conscious design or purpose; "intentional damage";

"a knowing attempt to defraud",

"a willful waste of time"
2. done or made or performed with purpose and intent;

I will grant that the headline was sensationalist. It should have read "Chinese exporters".

[sandnsea]

43. a conscious design to poison people

No. Nobody has a conscious design to poison anybody. That is not the intent. They are not even engaging in a knowing attempt to defraud.

Do you think US companies had an intent to harm babies when they put phlatates in plastic and rubber products?

It's the same thing. There's no intent to kill people in China. There's no intent to kill people by US companies.

It's negligence. Not a conscious design - otherwise known as a conspiracy.

I do not know why you just can't say you misspoke.

[brentspeak]

47. What is this? A contest of wills to see who can admit they misspoke?

I've followed the entire thread, and it's clear the OP wasn't saying there's a conspiracy to deliberately murder Americans through purposefully poisoned food.

[sandnsea]

50. That would be simple too

It would sound like this:

"Oh my gosh no, I never meant that China was intentionally murdering people."

I even point blank asked, and that answer never came. Instead, I was personally attacked.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

56. Thank you Brent.

:hi:

[sandnsea]

40. DUpe

[brentspeak]

46. ??????

Exactly who in China is "very concerned about what is happening to their country"? Do you see lots of strikes? Protests?

The greedy U.S. corporations are not responsible for the way greedy Chinese manufacturers exploit their own.

[ConsAreLiars]

12. Actually, a deliberate effort by US importers to murder US citizens

in the name of profit. The importers are the ones putting poison on the grocery shelves with no testing or interest in anything but the mark-up. They are the ones buying poison and telling you that it is fine to consume. The country of origin is completely irrelevant. It is a red herring. Don't be fooled yet again.

(edit a typo)

[sandnsea]

17. OMG, it is not deliberate murder

:eyes:

Insane jaunts into conspiracyville do not help solve problems. It makes people think you're nuts and they ignore you. How many times does the same thing have to happen.

[ConsAreLiars]

44. Litigation costs for deaths, injuries and illnesses are calculated as a cost of doing business.

Every large corporation figures how these factors are affecting their bottom line. If the costs of reducing these litigation expenditures through more careful inspections, safety measures, and such exceed the cost resulting from court cases, fines and such, then the bottom line makes the decision.

Yes, these deaths are deliberate. Taking measures to reduce deaths that would also reduce profits is a firing offense, or worse, in for-profit corporations.

(edit typos)

[Faux pas]

11. What better way to kill us off? No war and they get to make a

profit too. Farkers.

[me b zola]

13. No, unbridled capitalism is poisoning US (in the enviroment in general, and our goods in particular)

Outsourcing & NAFTA are only a portion of why we are eating/using substandard products. DeRegulation that began with Reagan and have accelerated under the * (mal)administration have completely eliminated any confidence that the products that we buy from abroad are safe.

Of course, if you are looking for a quick and easy patsy, you need not look any further than the Lou Dobbs tease of one of his stories..."Communist toothpaste". I swear to God, that was what he said, "communist toothpaste."

Communist toothpaste

Communist toothpaste

Communist toothpaste


There now. Don't you feel safer if you can blame the "communists"? Forget about the fact that our FDA (under the * administration) has said on air that their "mission" is to protect buisness interest. Of course that has nothing to do with inhuman quality of goods that we are being sold. Nope. Nothing at all. Move along now and quit bothering me with children's death's and illness and such nonsense.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

15. Jesus Christ! I am satan for bringing this issue up it appears.

Check my posts -- It is all about corporate greed and it extends to both sides of the "deal". The buyers and sellers of poisonous product are both guilty.

[sandnsea]

19. "intentional effort"

to deliver poisonous goods.

That's what you said.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

21. see post # 18

[me b zola]

53. Why the ruffled feathers?

I wasn't attacking you for posting the article, I was responding to the article.

Here, let me pass you the peace pipe to show that I had no argument with you :smoke:

[brentspeak]

45. What's the problem here?

I'm not sure what it is you're complaining about.

[me b zola]

52. What is so difficult to understand about my post?

My post was rather clear, and to charactorize it as "complaining" is silly.

The title of the thread asks if China is continuing to poison Americans via it's products. My point was that if FDA and other parts of the government that have historically protected consumers and the American public had not been "reformed" by conservatism to protect big-business rather than US consumers, then we wouldn't have to rely on the good intentions or oversight of a foreign government to protect American consumers.

Is that clear enough for you?

[David__77]

26. WND is a Nazi-fascist source. New McCarthyism.

The right would love to lay the groundwork for war against China. They have only been temporarily diverted by "Islamo-fascism." Their sites will fall on China eventually. And I hope that progressives will stand against that aggression.

[David__77]

27. Your headline is more incendiary than WND's.

"China" is doing no such thing. We are dealing with a situation of globalization. China is a developing country with many tens of thousands of exporting companies and an underdeveloped regulatory sector. It is not surprising that they have not caught up to the US in terms of consumer safety regulation and enforcement. It is certainly not a deliberate plot on the part of the Chinese state or people.

[autorank]

28. Hey, they're poisining our pets and they shut down a bunch of farms just yesterday.

OK, WorldNetDaily...but you have good intentions...I mean if you call them up and ask the time,
does the fact that they're WorldNetDaily mean the time will be wrong?

:evilgrin:

K*R

Despiser, did you see this? Election 2004: The Urban Legend

[fasttense]

30. Poisoned food, tainted toys, germ infested products brought to you by

deregulation, free trade and globalization.

[marions ghost]

33. that says it in a nutshell

we are pigs at the end of the pipe.

About the only thing we can do is try not to buy imported food from Asia, and choose carefully any other manufactured, plastic or painted products.

Another category on my personal "do not buy" list are the endless Chinese decorative and souvenir items, making all of our cookie cutter houses look the same. Some of these things aren't too bad, but most of it is overly embellished schlock. How about some variation, how about some authenticity? What we have going on now is the McDonaldization of Everything thanks to the Asian imports. There is so much lack of character and authenticity in consumer products these days that it seems we are all clones in Disney World.

[Mabus]

42. From the FDA website:FDA Detains Imports of Farm-Raised Chinese Seafood

http://www.fda.gov/bbs/topics/NEWS/2007/NEW01660.html

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
June 28, 2007


Media Inquiries:
Michael Herndon, 301-827-6242
Consumer Inquiries:
888-INFO-FDA

FDA Detains Imports of Farm-Raised Chinese Seafood
Products Have Repeatedly Contained Potentially Harmful Residues

The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) today announced a broader import control of all farm-raised catfish, basa, shrimp, dace (related to carp), and eel from China. FDA will start to detain these products at the border until the shipments are proven to be free of residues from drugs that are not approved in the United States for use in farm-raised aquatic animals.

This action by FDA, a part of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, will protect American consumers from unsafe residues that have been detected in these products. There have been no reports of illnesses to date.

"We're taking this strong step because of current and continuing evidence that certain Chinese aquaculture products imported into the United States contain illegal substances that are not permitted in seafood sold in the United States," said Dr. David Acheson, FDA's assistant commissioner for food protection. "We will accept entries of these products from Chinese firms that demonstrate compliance with our requirements and safety standards."

During targeted sampling from October 2006 through May 2007, FDA repeatedly found that farm-raised seafood imported from China were contaminated with antimicrobial agents that are not approved for this use in the United States.

rest of the FDA press release at link above.

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[pinto]

49. Yeah, OP's gut take - 'WorldNutDaily'? - is right.

The CDC rep in his newspeak today put it in perspective. This is not new, not immanently dangerous, but a border ban has been deemed more effective than a company-by-company review.

The CDC's issue is long term exposure to farm raised seafood with banned additives and taking effective steps to protect the food supply.

Seems a good move to me.

File under - The Sky Is Not Falling.

[BlooInBloo]

54. China implanted microchips in me.