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WindRavenX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 01:28 AM
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We should've seen this coming a mile away.
Edited on Fri Jun-29-07 01:29 AM by WindRavenX
With the news today that the Bush Administration will not be complying with the subpoena request, it appears that there will be a constitutional showdown. And with that in mind, how could we not have seen this coming a mile away: Bush's consolidation of power is completed when the Supreme Court rules that all the horseshit Bush has been doing is completely constitutional. It'll be a 5-4 ruling.

This seems to have been perfectly executed so far, doesn't it?

When will the Congress take a stand and stop this constitutional nightmare? At this moment, removing Bush and Cheney from power is the only thing that can stop this runaway consolidation of power.

At the very least, this administration will be known for "merely" being unconstitutional in nature; at worse, I fear it could be what our founding fathers feared: a tyrannical monarchy.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 01:32 AM
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1. Start a criminal investigation. He can't hide from that.
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NI4NI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 07:02 AM
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21. According to John Dean
Edited on Fri Jun-29-07 07:04 AM by NI4NI
On Countdown with KO, he said a criminal investigation would be done by Gonzo's DOJ.
The only other option is a special prosecutor appointed by......the White House.

The deck is stacked.
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yodermon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 08:30 AM
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26. can't congress appoint a special prosecutor? n/t
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NI4NI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 02:00 PM
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33. I think they can
Edited on Fri Jun-29-07 02:12 PM by NI4NI
Now I'm confused, but at least hopeful if Congress could


My mistake if I heard Dean's statement incorrectly.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 09:52 AM
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28. Gonzales would have to recuse himself because he is under
investigation, it is not unlike Ashcroft having to recuse himself which allowed the appointment of Patrick Fitzgerald as Special Counsel.
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 01:35 AM
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2. A tyrannical monarchy, in the sense of...
A new "New P H" (and that's not Paris H.) or a new "Nine Eleven" like in "a mini" and then... Martial Law?

Methinks time is getting late. Tragically late.

Hope I'm wrong (I never hoped as much as I hope I'm wrong now in my entire life).

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bullimiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 01:35 AM
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3. all declared legal by a complicit kangaroo court
just like in nazi germany.
all legal.

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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 01:36 AM
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4. I expressed this same scenario earlier this evening
to a friend. 'You can't know that!' she shouted. Maybe I can't know it....yet...but if I was a bettin' woman, I'd have a bunch of money on it.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 01:46 AM
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6. I expressed this years ago while we were protecting a stockpile of dry, unused, powder.
The SCOTUS nominations are the most important and long-lived actions any President makes. Before Raygun debased the office, creating the facade of leadership we've suffered with since, they took this decision very seriously as did those nominated.


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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 01:44 AM
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5. Fitting since a 5-4 vote is what established the W monarchy in the first place.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 01:49 AM
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7. Let's toss them on the chopping block too...
:evilgrin:

I mean, aren't they vulnerable to SOME level of oversight? By someone?

Both elections were stolen. Bush never should have been President. His SCOTUS nominees were the product of an illegal operation. Fruit of the poison tree.

(If only it were that easy).
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 01:50 AM
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8. Is there such a thing as "Contempt of Congress" charge akin to "Contempt of Court"?
I know if you refuse to answer a court-ordered subpoena, you can be fined/jailed.
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WindRavenX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 01:52 AM
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9. I thought that was considered to be a sign that you were unfit to hold office
What with the oath to uphold the constitution and all...

He has no respect for the law and places himself above it--if that isn't impeachable, I don't know what is.


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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 01:55 AM
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10. IMPEACH!! CONVICT!! IMPRISON!!
:mad:



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WindRavenX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 01:57 AM
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11. preach it brother swamp rat!
Impeach the SOB-- never forget New Orleans!
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 02:00 AM
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12. HOW COME OUR LEVEES ARE STILL FUCKING BROKEN?!?
:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

The goddamn pumps sold to us by JEB BUSHLER'S FORMER BUSINER PARTNER do NOT FUCKING WORK AT ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:




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WindRavenX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 02:02 AM
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14. clearly you aren't praying hard enough
:sarcasm:
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 02:10 AM
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16. Because, my friend, (as I said in another thread), the GOP just can't
have those black and brown skinned people moving back there. I mean, what ARE you thinking? (Insert sarcasm smilie here.)

And you know (I hope anyway) that I am being sarcastic, and am adding my kick in the ass to these murderous, hateful, uncaring thugs.

They KNEW what would happen in NOLA. They KNEW the levees would breach. They KNEW it, damnit, and they stuck their collective middle finger in the air, and shouted, "Fuck you!"

And they are STILL saying it.

I watched a series Greg Palast and Tavis Smiley did a couple of weeks ago on the Katrina/Rita area, specifically, on NOLA. Showing low-income housing complexes that were closed off, but there was NOTHING WRONG WITH THEM. Well, nothing wrong except that a lot of non-white people lived in them, and they just wanted to prevent the residents from coming back. Showing the still-fucked-up Ninth Ward.

I know this is small comfort to you and everyone else who experienced the criminal neglect of the Bush Administration before, during, and after Katrina (and Rita), but I still have a lot of anger about it. More than I can adequately express.

Again, this may be small consolation, but I have not forgotten you and the others. And I don't let the people I know forget. And if it weren't for my bad financial situation right now, I would be there, cleaning, feeding, building, or whatever needs to be done.

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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 02:25 AM
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18. .
:hug:
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 02:28 AM
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19. ...
:hug:
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 02:00 AM
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13. I was absolutely NOT surprised by their refusal to comply.
In fact, I would have gone into total shock if they HAD complied.

They don't care about this country.

They don't care about us.

They don't care about other countries and the people who live there.

Their motto is, "Fuck you. We're the only one's who matter."

Call me a delusional optimist, but I do believe that these assholes will get their's.

I think that as more and more info comes out, more and more of the Mrs. and Ms. Common Citizen will start getting pissed off, because they know that if they did something wrong, something 100th of a percentage of what the BFEE have done, they will find their voice, because people getting away with something because they have power or money or both doesn't sit well with Common Citizen.

I agree they have been awfully slow on the uptake, but I also believe that as more info comes out (in whatever way it does), the more that people will react to it.

Watergate got a slow start, and while I agree with a lot of DUers that the media is different than it used to be, I think a lot of people AREN'T different. They don't like being told to fuck off.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 02:06 AM
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15. " do believe that these assholes will get their's." - Hope Springs Eternal

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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 02:12 AM
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17. Fabulous graphic, Swamp Rat!
I hope you are doing okay, or at least reasonably well these days. :pals:
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 11:16 AM
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30. Oh yeah, they're "getting theirs". And OURS too!
And lining their pockets with it as fast as they can. Oh, and they're getting OUR civil liberties too. They're getting -- TAKING -- it all.

Bake
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 06:40 AM
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20. Congress will never be able to find george or dick guilty in an Impeachment.
The Dancing Supremes will never support a guilty verdict of their lord and masters. It will never happen because the issue of subpoenas and executive privilege will go to the black robbed junta to decide. We all know these crooks on the supreme court will side with the crooks that appointed them.

But an unsuccessful impeachment to get all of george's and dick's crimes out in the open is a good idea. This needs to be done right before the election. Then after the election...

After these thieves in charge are out of office, Congress can up the number of Supreme Court justices to balance out the crooks and the new Democratic President can assign some rational, honest judges to the highest court in the land. Then we can prosecute george and dick to our hearts content.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 07:06 AM
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22. Not if they Impeach before it goes to court
the Democrats need to recognize that today!
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 07:15 AM
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23. When, oh never. I'm not optimistic, not at all.
Edited on Fri Jun-29-07 07:15 AM by autorank
How many scandals and outrages does it take to get action, indictments, impeachment, or at least contempt of Congress?

Apparently a lot more because nothing is on the horizon.

We have the Washington Post doing a Marquise of Queensbury tear down over four days and not once hammering Dick on the death of 3500 US soldiers and 600,000 Iraqi civilians due to Dick's odd nature.

Oh well, it's only the future of the nation and the world at stake, we've got forever!
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Nightjock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 07:17 AM
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24. I'm worried but
not to the point of many people on DU. The law is completely against bush here! I can maybe see republican stacked lower courts ruling for the facists. But not the SCOTUS. They will not go down in history as the corrupt Supreme Court that ruled against the constitution.
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 07:20 AM
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25. The fix was in when Alito and Roberts joined the court.....
That's all for democracy, folks.... We are in the grips of despotism.
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info being Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 09:12 AM
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27. Nah the next Repub will be even more fascist...
...so it isn't an old-fashioned monarchy...just a new kind where it isn't so obvious.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 10:08 AM
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29. the "constitutional crisis" that made Gore chicken out in 2000
Edited on Fri Jun-29-07 10:09 AM by leftofthedial
was inevitable. not facing it then has given us 7 years of hell and merely delayed the necessity of facing reality. the repuke bush cabal is a lawless gang of thieves.

without a "Constitutional crisis," our country is lost
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LeftHander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 11:17 AM
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31. How long before Bush dissolves Congress....
Because he obviously is going to be granted the power and authority to ignore the constitution by the court.

Wow...it is far from over.

2008 elections? We can only hope they happen.
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King Coal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-29-07 11:18 AM
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32. I did see it coming more that a mile away.
I think most of us did.
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