This was mostly ignored in the Pelosi interview where she remarked on impeachment

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from 'A Chat With Speaker Pelosi' :

"She said she is determined to end the war, it is her top priority, no one would have believed that she could have gotten all the Dems in such unity to pass the timelines that Bush vetoed and that they are going to announce legislation in the next day or two putting hard timelines, not goals, back into the funding.

She says September is everything. "The President can not kick the can down the road again."

http://seeingtheforest.com/

[babylonsister]

1. Supposedly today:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1209857&mesg_id=1209857

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2. thanks babylonsister

I'm out of the loop . . . just got home from work. :hi:

[babylonsister]

3. I just found out about it this a.m. myself, though it was posted on TP

last night. We shall see what they come up with...

[Toots]

4. They still do not have the votes to override a veto and until Bush* is gone they never will.

The only way to turn this country around is to live up to the Constitution. If the Bush* Cabal is not held accountable they will accomplish absolutely nothing and get their asses thrown out pretty damn quick.

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9. that effort you describe has no guarantee of getting enough support and ending the occupation either

I have more optimism that republicans will be driven by the election season to end the occupation and distance themselves from the folly of their lame-duck leader.

[Toots]

13. Is Iraq your only issue?

It is an important issue but IMO not the most important one. To me restoring Law and Order and cleaning out the filthy nest of criminals is the most important issue. How can we possibly deal with other nations when they know we are just a bunch of lying crooks...Solve the main problems first and the issues like Iraq will fall into place very nicely.

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17. I don't think that impeachment is the only remedy or responsibility

of Congress in holding the administration and others accountable. I see countless efforts of oversight being exercised by our 6 month old majority. I think all of the strident (frustrated) criticism of them for not overturning 7 years of WH and republican abuses is off-target and capricious.

[acmavm]

5. What's that old saying? Goes something like "I'll believe it

when..."

Talk is cheap. So far, that's all they've done is talk. Worthless hearings, secret meetings on trade deals, whatever.

Time for the rubber to hit the road (as they say).

[bdamomma]

6. here is the article about Pelosi from Buzzflash

http://scholarsandrogues.wordpress.com/2007/06/28/pelosi-on-bush-hes-not-worth-impeaching/

just a snip:

Pelosi’s argument against impeachment was, simply, that it wouldn’t be worth expending the political capital and effort to push the process forward. If the situation had been Bush coming in as a new president, she said, things might have been different, but with less than two years left on his watch and his record as a miserable failure etched in stone , the stronger weapon was oversight. Pelosi specifically mentioned the subpoena power that, she said, is making the Dem Congress “Bush’s worst nightmare.”

Essentially, Pelosi argued that we need to push forward and get a Dem in the White House in 2008 to really start enacting serious change, noting that even with majorities in both Houses, the Dems’ power could not overcome the 60 Senate votes needed to beat a Bush veto, and that the courts would be particularly unfriendly to Democratic moves for criminal investigations unless they substantially “built the cases” for each move. “Let the process play out,” she said. “Oversight isn’t political, it’s patriotic.”

Many of the bloggers on the call were unhappy with this, wanting to see more direct action, and Pelosi expressed sympathy with the frustration. For me, this is a tough one.


It's more than frustrating Ms. Pelosi, we want our country back!!!

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10. different fricken subject with its own post

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1207068&mesg_id=1207068

[bdamomma]

18. sorry about that double post.

[Rydz777]

7. I watched the interview and was encouraged by her remarks

about the war. She also said that Bush intended to keep it going long enough to dump it into the lap of his successor - and at least implied that she was not going to let that happen. I hope.

The absolute worst mistake our Democratic Congress can make is to let Bush's disastrous adventure continue into the next Democratic Presidency. It would suck all the oxygen out of the start of the new administration.

I wish they would act to get out before September - many more lives will be lost in those months ahead.

[5X]

8. If impeachment is off the table to end the war, then I can go along with that.

Ending the war should be priority number one, everything else
is secondary.

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12. I really don't think it is 'off the table'

if there is enough support for the action generated in this Congress by action on some of these revelations coming out from the investigative committees. She did say "cases should be built" in Congress if we expect that support.

[gasperc]

11. if impeachment is off the table, then so is democracy

that's quoting teacherken, who I don't if he's quoting someone else or not but congress is going to have to be brave and move forward on articles of impeachment against Cheney

[Time for change]

14. I agree

I give Pelosi credit for her determination to end the war.

But at the same time I vehemently disagree with her that impeachment should be "off the table" -- UNLESS by "off the table" she really means "off the table, but let's be thinking about putting it back ON the table at an opportune moment". It's been off the table for so long, however, that I doubt very much that she means it like that.

And I most certainly do NOT believe that impeachment should be limited to Cheney. Bush is president and therefore guilty of more crimes and impeachable offenses than his VP. They must be impeached concommitantly.

[lonestarnot]

16. Dead democracy smelling like turds!

[lonestarnot]

15. ack.