Why impeachment is so imperative.

[demgurl]

No matter who you are, you have an opinion about the impeachment of * and Cheney. Recently our 'dear' leader, Nancy, has said that it is not worth the time, effort and money it would take. I think that a lot of people are overlooking something important, something we, as Democrats, can not ignore.

Those of us who are die hard Democrats are afraid that perhaps * may try to continue his dictatorship long after he is supposed to leave. Or perhaps the PNAC will find someone else who will further their agenda even more. We do not know what will happen as none of us are mind readers.

The thing we do know is that * has committed impeachable offenses. We must ask ourselves is what are we saying to future Presidents if we do NOT impeach * and Cheney. Are we not giving free reign to future administrations telling them that they can do whatever they want with relative impunity? We are giving carte blanche to future leaders letting them know they can violate laws and we will not prosecute.

If we are to protect ourselves and our liberties going forward, we MUST impeach this pResident and vice-president. Now is the time to set the standard for all future presidents whether they be Democratic or Republican. If we do not do this now we create more chaos (and crimes) in the future. What we do now has as much to do with this administration, and accountability, as it does with all future administrations and that is why it is imperative that we do not let the clock run down and that we hold these bums responsible for their crimes.

[loyalkydem]

1. maybe its

time to start calling our senators and congressman and making them think twice. Especially those up for reelection next year

[yy4me]

2. You are right. By ignoring these crimes and not impeaching,

we are setting up an argument for precedent.

[BuyingThyme]

3. If we don't impeach, somebody like Hillary will step in and keep the PNAC

train rollin' along.

She was a Young Republican in college, you know.

[KharmaTrain]

10. Got A Link On That Charge?

Hillary was a member of the Young Repugnicans...a Goldwater Girl. I've never seen any mention of Pelosi's past in that manner. Got a linkie???

Also...what's it matter what someone was 40 years ago? Raygan was a Democrat. So the point is???

[Dawgs]

4. Maybe, but impeachment will turn many away from Democrats.

Not all, but many. And, this will hurt our chances in 08.

[demgurl]

5. I do not think it will turn anyone away.

I believe a majority of this country voted in the Democratic Party because they wanted us out of Iraq no matter what has to be done. I believe impeachment proceedings could easily be tied into this cause since we were lied to to invade Iraq.

I also believe the American people are a lot smarter than we give them credit. If we explain about our rights as well as future leaders and what they might be able to do, I think people would understand. It is time we take our country (and our rights) back.

[onenote]

7. I"m afraid your belief isn't sustained by the record

YOu believe "a majority of the country voted in the Democratic Party because they wanted us out of Iraq not matter what has to be done."

But the facts are that most Democrats running in 2006 did not run on a platform promising to get us out of Iraq "no matter what has to be done." Most ran on platforms arguing that there needed to be a change in strategy, or a redeployment. Most, like Jim Webb, did not endorse what he called "precipitous" withdrawal.

The Democrats passed a timetable bill and it was vetoed by chimpy and then the repubs made sure that veto was sustained. Yet, the public outcry about this has been, all things considered, deafening only in its silence. Under the circumstances, I don't think it is at all safe to assume that the public is all that interested in an impeachment proceeding or that they wouldn't hold it against the Democrats if that proceeding went forward on a purely partisan basis. Get some repubs to sign on, and its a whole different ballgame, imo.

[demgurl]

9. I say that once impeachment starts.......

stories will come out more and more just like they did with the attorney firing. The more stories that come out the sicker the public will be with the Republican party. They will see how congress not only supported the pResident but they had all of their corruptions as well. They helped each other commit crimes as they helped the pResident. If the Democrats were to do the right thing the Republican party could be buried for years if not decades to come.

[The Brethren]

13. Many polls being given

just before the last election and the day of the election, at least the ones I read, said that the major issue on voters' minds, was that we exit Iraq. I also heard a lot being made public in the news that Democratic politicians were going to get our soldiers out of Iraq as soon as possible. The over-all impression I got before the last election was that the Dems were going to push to make sure we left Iraq within the next 6ths from the election, not whenever bushie or his supporters decided it was ok with them.

As far as the public outcry over the battle the dems gave junior w/ the timetable that you called deafening, is apathy as far as I'm concerned. Which is also how I've felt towards things since the election. I thought there would be major changes in such things as our involvement in Iraq. And yet, there hasn't been any major changes in many areas, such as Iraq. Our military is still there, our tax monies are expected to foot the bill for more billions plus dollars, with no end in sight to how long this is going to go on.

Except on a positive note: thanks ironically to the repubs, who voted against junior's immigration bill, he is now being called a "dead duck president" in the news. At this point, I wouldn't be at all surprised if it weren't the repugs who end up impeaching the jerk on what little time he has left in office because they can't even stand him and they want to distance themselves from him before the 2008 elections.

[Dawgs]

26. Maybe, but voting to get out of Iraq is different than talking down the people responsible.

You may not think so, but that's what I believe.

I think we'll have to agree to disagree.

[demgurl]

29. I am more than happy to agree to disagree.

It is a wonderful thing when two people can disagree without flaming each other to the Nth degree. Thank you for being so respectful and have a great day.

[ThomWV]

6. Who? This won't be a Kangroo Court, there are real facts to sway the public

This man has broken real laws and you can't spin but so much.
When the impeachment begins more and more people will be howling for his hide as time goes on. Give it a week and there won't be a person in the country that still supports him and they will thank the Democrats for doing their duty.

[barbtries]

8. furthermore

congress is constitutionally mandated to impeach. m.o.

[demgurl]

11. I agree. They need to stop shirking their duty.

[Uncle Joe]

12. Kicked and recommended

Thanks for the thread demgurl.

[demgurl]

14. Thank you for kickin' , Uncle Joe.

And thanks for getting it.

[Senator]

15. That's Exactly What The DC Dems Are Doing ... Once Again!

Some of us remember this feeling from Iran/contra. Their failure then, with both Reagan and Poppy bush, is what brought us to this far, far, worse place.

If they fail us yet again, we may not get another chance.

Failure to impeach is complicity -- approval -- exoneration of the regime.

It is worth any time, effort, and money to avoid that.

Only Impeachment ... can begin the path to Redemption of Our National Soul.

It IS our positive agenda.

And our ONLY moral, patriotic option.

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[upi402]

16. Republicans were relentless over a BJ. And * is very unpopular.

It's just too obvious that we have no opposition party to the corporatism supplanting our republic.

[demgurl]

24. Thank you, Senator, for that wonderful example.

We have history to illustrate that this can get worse if we ignore it and pretend everything is peachy keen. If we do not impeach then we have set the stage for our own demise and nothing will be left to save.

We also have to leave our mark in history so that the world knows that we do not condone the criminal actions of this administration. We also have to work on repairing what is left of our tarnished reputations.

[puebloknot]

17. So right on. Our Dems are proudly mowing the lawn and hosing the sidewalks...

... while the house is burning down. We are in a state of emergency, and we need leadership.

Let's hope Dennis Kucinich's impeachment bill against Cheney catches fire!

[demgurl]

25. If only it would catch fire.

We need something to break if we are going to save this country.

[mmonk]

18. Without impeachment, we are saying that if you

appoint enough cronies in high office to give you cover for not following the constitution and it's constucts, then you can rule with impunity. We are saying the politics of the persons that can do this becomes law of the land. We are saying the laws and rights of the citizen become subject to party politics with no barriers. What I just described might be a cheap version of democracy but not a democracy of a democratic society. Afterall, there are plenty of governments past and present that have elections but their people aren't free.

[demgurl]

27. Exactly, mmonk.

It must be stopped and stopped now.

[puebloknot]

32. And our own elections, in this "free" country, have become a sham...

... an "opiate for the people." Next, we'll have a purple finger after we vote, to show we voted for one of two carefully chosen corporate candidates.

[demgurl]

34. It is so sad how much we have lost.

[madokie]

19. Thats a fact

screw the cost screw the time lets let the impeachment party begin

[demgurl]

30. madokie...

there is only one way to go with impeachment at this point in time. We need to put pressure on our congress critters to do this because it is the right and moral thing to do in defense of our country.

[Vidar]

20. K&R. Thank you.

[demgurl]

31. Thank you for the K&R, Vidar.

[spanone]

21. absolutely imperative

[lonestarnot]

22. We must follow the law of this land from the top down. IMPEACH!

[sicksicksick_N_tired]

23. The consequences of failing to enforce the rule of law, in this case,...

,...could certainly lead to further detrioration of this nation's democratic system.

Imagine, we believe this administration has stepped way WAY over the line (a 100X worse than Nixon). Failure to reign them back within the rule of law may lead to far worse abuses.

[demgurl]

35. Citizens from both parties must recognize....

that we have no idea who will be in charge in the future and what plans they will have for our country. We must all assume the worst and hope for the best. Understanding that we have certain unknowns in our future means protecting it the best possible way we can and that means we must set the tone so that future administrations fall in line and act within the law.

[Solly Mack]

28. Yes

and they really - really - need to go to prison as well.

[demgurl]

36. I agree. They do need to go to prison...

but this issue is so much bigger than just this administration. Once the investigations start, the bodies will fall. There is no doubt about that. They would go to jail but we also need to remember that our future would be protected. As bad as everything is right now, if we let these crimes go unpunished then it could get worse.

[dEMOK]

33. I Couldn't Have Sait it Better...

:kick:

[Marrak]

37. Maybe somebody has to grow a pair...

I don't know... I've been feeling slow lately...
But the Doctors are fleeing the assylum!!!...
:crazy:

and Nurse Ratchet Cheney (A.K.A "Angler", "double-odd heh") & Inmate "Arbusto numero 4?" (A.K.A. Churchill Jr.) have barricaded their office doors to outside intrusions...
...like 5 years ago!!!!!
:wtf:

Nurse Ratchet, is currently administering hand-fulls of military-grade "Go/No-Go" pills to Churchill Jr....
:hide:

Also, be very aware that they've got the "football" on their side of the wall!
:nuke:

[Marrak]

38. Of course, a nuclear winter

may work out well for the persecuted "snowmobiler"...

:toast:

and Nurse Ratchet was "observered" bestowing generous favors upon this class of "underprivileged carbon-life form" in the past...

:bounce:

[demgurl]

41. They may have the football...

but we have the truth. By the way, I love your post with all the smilies. I know this is a serious topic but I like your presentation.

[Marrak]

39. The point being is that these

fu*kers can do what ever they want and we can just bend-over and take it for another 18 months and hope they don't set off a third, fourth or fifth war or worse.

:hide:




:wtf:

[Poiuyt]

40. Please read my letter to my Congressman

We think alike:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=1200961

[demgurl]

42. I read your post and you did a great job.

We do think alike. Now if only more people thought this way.