Salt water as a fuel ? - watch it burn and decide for yourself.

[MazeRat7]

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/697020/salt_water/

MZr7

[tridim]

1. Holy crap that's amazing!

Off to do some more research, there has to be a catch.

[Matariki]

2. How much energy to run the radio frequency generator though?

[Wiley50]

3. Seems to me the energy from the combusting salt water

could run a generator to take care of that problem

how much would be left over?

i ain't no physicist

Didn't even stay at a Holiday Inn express last night
or play one on TV

[IDemo]

10. conservation of energy

For the same reason you can't mount a windmill on top of an electric car and run it indefinitely, you won't be able to do this.

[aquart]

6. That's the important question.

But the glowing face of that geek...like he seen the Grail.

[tridim]

9. From John Kanzius' wiki..

"While the phenomenon is interesting, it is not yet practical for energy generation. More energy is consumed by the radio frequency device than is produced for burning. Efficiency-wise, they are presently at around 76 percent of Faraday's theoretical limit. (Other Hydrogen-from-Water methods, such as the one being pursued by Bob Boyce (http://freeenergynews.com/Directory/Transportation/Bob_Boyce/), are approaching 7x)."

http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:John_Kanzius_Produces_Hydrogen_from_Salt_Water_Using_Radio_Waves

[aquart]

4. Oh. My.

Would it turn Exxon into a dodo?

[Matariki]

7. Nah - they'll just buy the patent and wait until *after* the oil wars...

[poverlay]

5. That guy is gonna die very, very soon... n/t

[originalpckelly]

8. What the hell is the chemical reaction?

Does it require the continuous input of electricity to keep the reaction going?

[tridim]

11. Some guesses..

The "Simulated catalist" theory is interesting for lots of reasons.

http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:John_Kanzius_Produces_Hydrogen_from_Salt_Water_Using_Radio_Waves

RF imitates platinum catalyst
On June 16, 2007, Charles Kilmer wrote (http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/kanzius_effect/message/29) to the kanzius effect discussion list:

I wrote a blog on this topic. Some of the links go back to this discussion group.

http://nick2.wordpress.com/2007/06/01/saltwater-into-fire/

Read through the blog carefully.

What you should see is the secret sauce to the Kanzius effect. Its contained in one of kanzius patents and in an expired eu patent.

What's happening is that the RF is imitating the radio frequency of some catalyst for water separations. My guess is that the catalyst frequency that's being imitated is platinum since that's the big expensive catalyst in hydrogen fuel cells. What's happening is that the salt water is fooled into believing there's a platinum catalyst in the water.

Now consider if they could eliminate platinum from fuel cells altogether while using salt water as a storage and fuel for hydrogen -- suddenly hydrogen fuel cell cars would be dramatically cheaper.

To see what I mean consider this article on hydrogen fuel cells

http://www.lanl.gov/news/index.php/fuseaction/home.story/story_id/1673

Background paper: Fuel cells at Los Alamos





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water droplets are arcing from the R.F.
On June 6, 2007, Jerome E. Goodwin Sr. wrote:

> The " flame " is not truly burning in this case the
> water droplets are arcing from the R.F. ( Radio
> Frequency ) energy. It is the same as a waveguide
> arcing when moisture gets in it. The water turns to
> steam as the salt is heated and the R.F. finishes
> the job by arcing between the droplets. The
> "plasma" is just R.F..


Some responses

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/kanzius_effect/message/14 - RF is an energy signal created via a simple spark of a switch of 2 wires touching eachother, the good old relay "morse code", every electronic device in the...
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/kanzius_effect/message/15 - Air, heat, gas, electricity, conductivity, capacitance, thermal temp. A Few Possibilities: 1: Still some gas left over that's burning until exhuasted or the ...
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/kanzius_effect/message/18 - It looks to me as video on youtube.com supports Jerome's observation regarding RF making the arc (like plasma) between dense droplets of water. The paper towel...



Caused by Polarization of the Hydrogen Molecules; magnetic bond
On June 28, 2007, Ted Green <Theodore.A.Green {at} l-3com.com> wrote:

To get right to the point, I believe the Kanzius effect is caused by the polarization of the hydrogen molecules in the water. This polarization causes the two atoms of hydrogen to lose their 105 degree orientation to each other and de-stabilize the water molecule. The unstable water molecule comes apart easily then, combining hydrogen to hydrogen and oxygen to oxygen in a magnetic bond. Because the water molecules’ special property to hold sodium is lost, some sodium atoms must also be released to react violently with the water still present. This ignites hydrogen which recombines with the oxygen to keep the wick from being consumed. The unusual properties of the HHO gas, catalyzes the whole process to a very high efficiency.

[smtpgirl]

12. Steam cars - Early 1900's

The Stanley (nicknamed Stanley Steamer) was a steam-powered automobile produced by the Stanley Motor Carriage Company. In 1906, the Stanley Rocket set the world land speed record at 127.7 mph (205.5 km/h) at the Daytona Beach Road Course, driven by Fred Marriott, picking up the Dewar Trophy in the process. This is still officially recognized as the land speed record for a steam car. The Steamer enjoyed a boom in the early 1900s before eventually being overtaken technologically by the internal combustion engine.

[smtpgirl]

13. Fuel from ocean water - gee when will the US catch onto that?

[hobbit709]

14. This is about the 157th time someone posted this

You can't get something for nothing. Takes more energy than you get back.

[file83]

15. It's about as useful as current cold fusion technology.

Which ain't saying much.