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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-30-07 10:26 AM
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AT&T, SPYING, and the IPhone......
Maybe this has something to do with CNN's gushing over the IPhone!

Whistle-Blower Outs NSA Spy Room
http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2006/04/70619

AT&T provided National Security Agency eavesdroppers with full access to its customers' phone calls, and shunted its customers' internet traffic to data-mining equipment installed in a secret room in its San Francisco switching center, according to a former AT&T worker cooperating in the Electronic Frontier Foundation's lawsuit against the company.

Mark Klein, a retired AT&T communications technician, submitted an affidavit in support of the EFF's lawsuit this week. That class action lawsuit, filed in federal court in San Francisco last January, alleges that AT&T violated federal and state laws by surreptitiously allowing the government to monitor phone and internet communications of AT&T customers without warrants.

On Wednesday, the EFF asked the court to issue an injunction prohibiting AT&T from continuing the alleged wiretapping, and filed a number of documents under seal, including three AT&T documents that purportedly explain how the wiretapping system works.

According to a statement released by Klein's attorney, an NSA agent showed up at the San Francisco switching center in 2002 to interview a management-level technician for a special job. In January 2003, Klein observed a new room being built adjacent to the room housing AT&T's #4ESS switching equipment, which is responsible for routing long distance and international calls


AT&T 'Spy Room' Documents Unsealed;
http://www.wired.com/politics/law/news/2007/06/spy_room

A civil liberties group suing telecom giant AT&T for allegedly installing illegal secret surveillance rooms in its internet facilities at the behest of the National Security Agency published substantial portions of long-sealed case documents Tuesday.

The Electronic Frontier Foundation's lawsuit, filed in January 2006, relies partly on documents provided to the group by Mark Klein, a former AT&T technician who took three documents home with him when he retired in 2004. Those documents have been under seal in a San Francisco federal court. Wired News and other news organizations sought unsuccessfully to have them unsealed earlier this year.

However, this week AT&T acceded to the documents' partial disclosure after the EFF threatened to take the matter of their sealing to a federal appeals court. Portions of the sealed documents had been published by Wired News in May of 2006, and more recently by the PBS news program Frontline. AT&T agreed to the disclosure of those portions to escape the embarrassment of arguing that documents available on the internet for more than a year were secret, according to Cindy Cohn, the EFF's legal director.

AT&T declined to comment on the disclosure.

There are no surprises in the AT&T documentation published Tuesday, which consist of a subset of the pages already published by Wired News. They include AT&T wiring diagrams, equipment lists and task orders that appear to show the company tapping into fiber-optic cables at the point where its backbone network connects to other ISPs at a San Francisco switching office. The documents appear to show the company siphoning off the traffic to a room packed with internet-monitoring gear.

Released along with the AT&T documents is a formerly sealed signed declaration from Klein, and a written analysis of the documents penned by internet expert J. Scott Marcus, which have been kept mostly under wraps by a court order that applied to the parties in the case.

The interpretation of Klein's documents by Marcus, a former CTO for GTE and a former adviser to the FCC, are the most interesting documents released Tuesday.

"This configuration appears to have the capability to enable surveillance and analysis of internet content on a massive scale, including both overseas and purely domestic traffic," Marcus wrote.

AT&T likely has 15 to 20 of these rooms around the country, and shipped data out of the rooms via a separate network to another location, Marcus concluded. Collectively, he estimated that the rooms were able to keep tabs on some 10 percent of the nation's purely domestic internet traffic


USA TODAY REVIEW: Apple's iPhone isn't perfect, but it's worthy of the hype
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070628/NEWS09/70627089/1001/NEWS

By Edward C. Baig

USA Today

The mania over Apple's iPhone launch has created stratospheric expectations that are near impossible to live up to. Yet with a few exceptions, this expensive, glitzy wunderkind is indeed worth lusting after.

That's saying a lot. After months of hype, Apple has delivered a prodigy — a slender fashion phone, a slick iPod and an Internet experience unlike any before it on a mobile handset.

Still, iPhone isn't perfect, or even the most ideal smartphone for every user. It's pricey. It lacks certain features found on some rival devices. AT&T's coverage was spotty in some areas I tested over the past two weeks. Your employer may prevent you from receiving corporate e-mail on the device.

For consumers who can afford one ($499 or $599, plus the cost of a two-year wireless plan with exclusive carrier AT&T), iPhone is by far the most chic cellphone I've seen. And there are terrific reasons — besides announcing to neighbors how cool you are — to try to nab the device when it finally goes on sale at Apple and AT&T stores at 6 p.m. local time Friday across the country
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070628/NEWS09/70627089/1001/NEWS

THE POLICE STATE MOVES FORWARD!

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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-30-07 10:28 AM
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1. Maybe people are "gushing" over it because it's a great product. NT
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-30-07 10:33 AM
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4. It is a great product. It's just too bad that the spy telephone company is the
exclusive carrier!
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-30-07 10:37 AM
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7. Maybe you should just use two Dixie cups and some string.
You realize they can read everything you type here...
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-30-07 10:41 AM
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8. Duh
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-30-07 10:42 AM
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9. So I guess you're giving up your phone soon? NT
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-30-07 10:45 AM
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10. Why are you defending government spying? Are you an agent?
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-30-07 10:47 AM
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11. I'm not defending it. It sucks. But it is a fact of life — for all telephones etc.
So I'm not going to move to a cabin in the woods and live like the Unabomber. I'm not going to let paranoia run me. I'm going to live my life and work to get Democrats elected.
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Beelzebud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-30-07 11:47 AM
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21. Yeah! Because if you aren't a terrorist what do you have to hide!
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-30-07 11:51 AM
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22. Please keep your words out of my mouth. What I said is that I'm not giving in to
rampant paranoia. You can live in whatever fear you want; I'm just going to work to get Democrats elected so things can change.
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Beelzebud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-30-07 11:55 AM
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27. I just find it lame that people see government spying on us as a 'fact of life'.
10 years ago that would have been unacceptable.

Oh, and it's not about rampant paranoia, it's about keeping this country a free nation like it's supposed to be.

At one time it was an outrage for people to know their government was spying on them.

It's sad that all it takes is a flashy new toy, and many are willing to forgo their rights.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-30-07 11:58 AM
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29. It's not acceptable -- but it is reality.
I don't think an iPhone is going to make you particularly more subject to it than anything else.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-30-07 11:58 AM
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30. It is a fact of life, and it's up to us to CHANGE IT. Whether it's outrageous or not
is besides the point.

I hate to tell you this, but your home phone is probably spying on you, as well as your computer, and even your TV, if you want to be that paranoid. It's not the "flashy new toy", it's the cameras in the street, too. But some of us prefer not to roll up in a little ball and live our lives to the best of our abilities and also work to change things.
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-30-07 10:51 AM
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15. I'd get one
if I need it. If I had Blackberry, I'd definitely trade up to the iPhone.
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lynnertic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-30-07 10:29 AM
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2. ... and AT&T is only the co. that got caught.
(can you hear me now?)
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-30-07 10:30 AM
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3. Did you see that first guy in line in New York?
BARELY able to talk, *retired*, yet he's *lusting* after an iphone. Uh yeah Dude - better not surf those porn sites with that iphone.

Slurpy McGottaHaveIt and the rest of the stupid consumers can have it. :rofl:
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-30-07 10:34 AM
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5. Isn't that sad. Like trained seals they are.
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parasim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-30-07 11:32 AM
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17. Ar! Ar! Ar!
Yeah, and I'm one of 'em. Heh, heh. Yes, I stood in the line. No, I don't bow to the altar of Steve Jobs.

But I do appreciate exquisite technology and have always been an early adopter due to the business I'm in.

Apple just happens to produce consistantly elegant tech that has a tendency to shake up the status quo in the computer industry, so I'm glad to support that.

Besides, I'm able to spin a beach ball on my nose, how cool is that?
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-30-07 11:53 AM
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24. People stand in line for movies, for concerts, for books. They spend money on
restaurants, sports, bars, action figures.

Everyone has their thing.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-30-07 10:36 AM
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6. Greg Packer is a professional "man on the street". He lines up for EVERYTHING
so he can get on the news. He conned you.

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000576165

Nice to broad brush the other thousands of people on line.
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-30-07 11:46 AM
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20. hey -- if HE represents the rest of the mouthbreathers standing in line for a toy
then perhaps it's time for a make-over? :sarcasm:
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-30-07 11:51 AM
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23. Such resentment for your fellow citizens who are doing nothing to hurt you or anyone
else is just sad.

Reminds me of fundamentalists judging anyone who doesn't tow their religious line.
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-30-07 11:54 AM
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25. resentment? uhhh yeah
Bet you stood in line too. :rofl:

Do keep telling yourself that when you've gotten all the fees paid for that shiny new gotta-have-it toy.
:eyes:
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-30-07 11:57 AM
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28. Wrong again.
I didn't stand in line, and I'm not getting an iPhone. At least not this one.

But I have zero problem with others spending their time and money in ways that bring them enjoyment. Nothing wrong with toys. Or music. Or sports. Or travel.

I'm not a fundamentalist about it. I believe in choice.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-30-07 11:55 AM
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26. Well, Mr. Packer admits to being computer illiterate and doesn't even own an iPod,
so perhaps he DOESN"T represent the others standing in line — all over the US, BTW.

http://www.networkworld.com/community/?q=node/16952
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parasim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-30-07 11:34 AM
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18. Slurpy McGottaHaveIt... ha ha, that's hilarious! nt
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-30-07 10:47 AM
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12. I'll Wait...Thank-You
It's a nice toy, but I know it's the first generation. I'll let the fad busters work the bugs out of the thing.

Also, I expect similar phones from other companies with more features...and available on other networks. No way would I want only AT&T to be my only option...and I'm not wedded to Apple either.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-30-07 10:49 AM
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13. SNAFU .... stuff your Iphone AT & T.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-30-07 10:50 AM
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14. AT&T has Blackberry covered too....
http://www.wireless.att.com/businesscenter/en_US/solutions/email-messaging/email-blackberry.jsp
Advantages of BlackBerry® Service from AT&T, the leading service provider of BlackBerry

Whether you need to check your email on the go, return a phone call, quickly send a text message, or look up information on the Internet, consider a BlackBerry solution from AT&T.

No other wireless carrier in the world has more BlackBerry subscribers than AT&T.

With AT&T's leadership in BlackBerry, you'll benefit from our:

Expertise—Leader in GSM™/GPRS BlackBerry deployments in Fortune 500 companies
Selection—Largest selection of BlackBerry devices of any U.S.-based carrier
Coverage—Data roaming agreements in more than 120 countries
Unlimited data roaming—First carrier to offer unlimited domestic data roaming and an unlimited international BlackBerry data roaming feature
Flexibility—Choose from several rate plan options for unlimited personal, Enterprise, International, or wireless modem use.
http://www.wireless.att.com/businesscenter/en_US/solutions/email-messaging/email-blackberry.jsp
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-30-07 11:11 AM
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16. AT&T history by Steven Colbert
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-30-07 11:34 AM
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19. AT&T is going to turn you in to the COPS for downloading FREE music.
So don't use your IPhone to share music files because you'll GO TO PRISON!

AT&T Spying For The MPAA and RIAA
by Steve Mermelstein on June 14, 2007 at 11:16 pm · Comments
Categorized by Computing & Tech News, DRM / Related Information

The LA Times is reporting that AT&T will be the first major Internet provider that will develop anti piracy technology to target individuals downloading and sharing music and movies.

It’s probable that AT&T has caved to the movie and record lobbies in order to receive a favorable deals so they can offer movies, TV shows and music over AT&T services. AT&T has just recently begun selling pay-television services.

“We do recognize that a lot of our future business depends on exciting and interesting content,” he said.

But critics say the company is going to be fighting a losing battle and angering its own customers, and it should focus instead on developing incentives for users to pay for all the content they want.

I completely agree with that assessment. The biggest issue here is that Hollywood keeps on ignoring what consumers want and how they want it. Even if piracy were to stop overnight, Hollywood’s problems would continue as consumers aren’t as interested in the ways Hollywood delivers content anymore.
http://www.lockergnome.com/nexus/usrbingeek/2007/06/14/att-spying-for-the-mpaa-and-riaa/

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Xenotime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-30-07 04:44 PM
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34. Is it possible to search an Iphone for music?
This could be a serious invasion of privacy
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-30-07 12:02 PM
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31. On a related note Joanne98 "DARPA Awards Novel Satellite Communications Contract To BAE Systems"
A BAE Press Release from January 16, 2007
http://www.comspacewatch.com/news/viewpr.html?pid=21683

fair use cited
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-30-07 02:19 PM
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32. Oh really? I must have missed that thanx!
:toast:
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-30-07 04:38 PM
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33. Sometimes I hope the spies will read these posts and actually contemplate...
the content of what gets posted, such as that BAE thread from last night which got removed.
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tailwind Donating Member (192 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-01-07 05:30 AM
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35. Nothing To See Here Move Along.
NOT.
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