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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-07-07 09:04 AM
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Heartless asshole repub lindsey graham returns from 7th Iraq visit with 'renewed hope'.
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/17664.html

WASHINGTON — While some Republican senators break with President Bush over Iraq, Sen. Lindsey Graham has returned from his seventh wartime visit there with renewed hope that the U.S. troop buildup is producing results.

At the same time, the South Carolina Republican told Prime Minister Nouri al Maliki and other Iraqi leaders that they've made too little progress on steps such as reconciling the country's warring factions and sharing oil revenues among Shiite Muslims, Sunni Muslim Arabs and Kurds.

"We left the impression upon them that patience at home (in the United States) is running out," Graham said in a phone call from Paris while en route home Thursday.

In contrast with the stalled political progress, Graham said, the surge — the dispatch of 30,000 more U.S. troops that Bush began in January — is yielding clear results.

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-07-07 09:07 AM
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TheFarseer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-07-07 09:14 AM
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2. hope for what?
Hope that we can steal the oil and people will continue to not notice? This is so ridiculous, RWers are already trying to tell us the surge is working and just counting on the idea that I'm not in Iraq and I can't really tell if it's working or not so I'm just going to believe that they just need some more time. Well, I can see the casualty figures and that doesn't give me much hope, Lindsey. We're not as stupid as you think we are and we don't believe your bullsh*t anymore.
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-07-07 09:55 AM
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11. rug salesmen ...
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-07-07 09:14 AM
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3. Linday Graham is IMHO a liar and a loser. I will never forget his
totally ingenuous declaration that the American people should get to see the Abu Grahib photos. Then he saw them himself and totally changed his tune.
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peekaloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-07-07 09:17 AM
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4. Crystal clear results Lindsey, soldiers are dying in bunches.
Bastard.

pardon my cynicism but the initial low balling of troops in Eye-Rack has made the surge deaths sooooooo much more palatable.This way they can tell us with a straight, somber face that of course more troops are dying, we've increased their numbers. It's good that brave, patriotic Senators such as Mr. Graham are going over to help enlighten us all to the progress that is clearly being made. :sarcasm:

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fishnfla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-07-07 09:20 AM
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5. I'm gonna give the guy some credit, at least he's been there
whats wrong with having some hope for improvement? Its easy to wish that not to be true from the safety of a keyboard, comforted by AC.
People act like they want Iraq to remain a shithole, or get worse, as long as other people suffer.

He's been there several times, he should be able to recognize change. I think the name calling is childish and uncalled for. Less productive than what he is doing....
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-07-07 09:41 AM
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7. Huh?
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-07-07 09:48 AM
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9. 'People act like they want Iraq to remain a shithole, or get worse, as long as other people suffer.'
Who is acting like that?
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riderinthestorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-07-07 09:51 AM
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10. What exactly IS Graham doing?
What I see him doing is cheerleading a failing, deadly strategy that is designed to enrich BFEE and their oil and arms dealing cronies. Franky, Graham is in absolutely no danger when HE goes visiting in Iraq - in fact, perhaps he goes there so often in order to get the free jaunt to Paris, that makes about as much sense as saying Lindsey Graham is going there to suss out "progress" (cough).

The facts are that the monthly death tolls are mounting and the political situation shows absolutely no hope of resolution. No hope. Even Petraeus admits that without a political solution (and one that happens quickly), Iraq will persist in it's civil war.

I believe Lindsey Graham is lying when he says he can recognize "change". I believe he desperately wants to play with the big boys and will say whatever is necessary to court them.

People are suffering in Iraq and here in the US. It's disingenous at best to state that anyone wants that to continue but it WILL continue it's painful course as long as we continue to meddle. Iraqis must be allowed to have their own civil war and work their way back towards their own version of a country - the arrogance and hubris of believing the US can dictate those events is astonishing.
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old guy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-07-07 10:22 AM
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14. You saved me from a lot of typing.
I totally agree and will repeat what I said yesterday. His report was written before he left the states and facts were not going to get in the way.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-07-07 10:43 AM
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15. Been there? Do you think he has been to see any of the 2 million refuges he helped cause?
Or any of the family members of the hundreds of thousands of Iraqis he is responsible for killing?

Am I responding to a joke post?

Don
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TheFarseer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-07-07 10:50 AM
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16. It's fine to hope it gets better
I think we all hope it gets better. The problem is when you think you can make it better simply by saying it's better. Republicans always do this - they make problems go away by denying it's a problem, but that doesn't help our guys on the ground. That doesn't help the Iraqis when their cities are turned into rubble and Sunni Death Squads and Shiite militias are running the town. Lindsey thinks saying nice things about Iraq is a substitute for a well thought through policy and he's just plain wrong.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-07-07 01:58 PM
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19. Uh--say what? Lindsey is just promoting the usual "it's great out here!" bullshit
that he and McCain and LieberWorm trot out EVERY TIME they go to Iraq. He's trying to help the administration buy more time, and trying to help McCain's dying candidacy. His job is to sell the surge, and that's what he's doing. Of course there may be some improvement--nobody's saying there shouldn't be. But to what end? 30,000+ troops, billions of dollars, hundreds of lives, and at best a modest improvement--but when do we leave? What happens then? How long will these "improvements" last? Sorry, the "Surge" wasn't worth whatever modest/temporary gains may come of it--we deepened our involvement when we should have been planning our exit. Lady Lindsey is nothing but a Chimp enabler, who goes to Iraq to "report" for the ChimpCo Times.
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Rob H. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-07-07 09:32 AM
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6. More honest headline instead of
Edited on Sat Jul-07-07 09:45 AM by Rob H.
"Sen. Graham returns from Iraq with renewed hopes": Pro-War Nitwit Still Pro-War.


Edited to add: or maybe Warmongering ignoramus still supports bloody debacle...

or Graham still suffering cranio-anal inversion; urges U.S. to stay in Iraq...

or....
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-07-07 09:47 AM
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8. That lying, sniveling, boot licking, self serving, sleazy, sucker of...
Kool-Aide, don't fool anyone but himself anymore.

Loinzy and GI Joementum need to move to Baghdad, if they like it over there so damned well.
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VP505 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-07-07 09:55 AM
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12. I think we are
seeing a perfect example of:
  • A politico who thinks his constituents are so stupid that they will believe whatever crap he tells them
  • A politico who really is as stupid as he looks
  • A politico so out of touch with reality, believing the crap he spews, never mind the fact that the only ones sharing share his view have a vested interest, money or their job
  • Some combination of the above, your choice
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deminks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-07-07 09:56 AM
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13. Yeah, 70 Iraqis and 8 US soldiers killed in last 2 days
http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/articlenews.aspx?type=topNews&storyid=2007-07-07T141847Z_01_L07142005_RTRUKOC_0_UK-IRAQ.xml

Things are going "swell". Glad the "surge" is going so well. We might just be out of there is 30 years rather than 40 or 50, right?

Intense :sarcasm:

Anyone looking at Graham's accounts? Any large deposits lately? Or did the Lieberputz just threaten you?

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/07/lindsey-surge-expectations/
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-07-07 10:59 AM
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17. He should reimburse the tax payers for his flights back and forth, or
fly to Iraq on a one way ticket!
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-07-07 11:01 AM
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18. Really, he's making out like a bandit & we don't get shit.
I bet he's a lousy tipper and has an illegal nanny for his kids.
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blues90 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-07-07 02:35 PM
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20. perhaps Graham should spend 15 months over there then
came back and tell the troops and us just how well things are going . Hell it takes months to know anything about a new job and get a slim idea of what the work place is like .
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