Does it bother you that a Covert CIA Agent that was working on WMD proliferation

[Toots]

Has lost their job? Does it bother you that an entire network of Covert Agents, Brewster Jennings, has had to disband? Over a hundred Agents, all deeply involved in tracking nuclear weapons throughout the world have been taken out of the picture because one of their Covert Agents was identified. Does that bother you at all? Those are questions I would like to see every single Republican Representative, Senator, or Pundit be asked in front of a camera. Really, does it bother them at all? I am not making any suggestions about whether it was intentional or just neglectful or whatever, but the fact remains, a Covert CIA Agent and the entire Network she was a part of is no longer on the job defending America from WMDs. Does that bother you????

[PDJane]

1. It bothers the hell out of me.......

But I'm not an American, don't live there, and can't walk up to your politicians, and ask.

[MindPilot]

10. Don't feel bad --- neither can we. n/t

[Fovea]

2. You forgot the potentially hundreds

of CIA assets that may have lost their lives because they trusted Americans to keep their mouths shut enough to risk working with us.
I wonder how many?

Bother me? I can barely see straight, I am so angry.

[WinkyDink]

3. YES!! And it bothers me why the MSM have refused to add 2+2:

why would Bushco want to DESTROY the very mission they, Bushco, claimed to be on~~~tracking down WMD'S?

Gee---Could it be that CHENEY, with HALLIBURTON, was ENGAGED IN illegal arms dealings???

[timtom]

7. Holy Crap!

I know I'm slow, but maybe THAT's the reason for the outing -- not Joe Wilson's report.

Just wondering out loud...

[WinkyDink]

11. Links:

http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/issues/iraq/contract/2004/1213bout.htm
Newsweek
December 13, 2004

"In an effort to crack down on one of the world's most notorious international criminals, President George W. Bush last summer signed an order barring U.S. citizens from doing business with Russian arms trafficker Victor Bout. But not long afterward, U.S. officials discovered Bout's tentacles were wider than anticipated: for much of this year, NEWSWEEK has learned, a Texas charter firm allegedly controlled by Bout was making repeated flights to Iraq—courtesy of a Pentagon contract allowing it to refuel at U.S. military bases. One reason for the flights, sources say, was that the firm was flying on behalf of Kellogg Brown & Root, the division of Halliburton hired to rebuild Iraq's oilfields."


http://216.239.51.104/search?q=cache:BaihkhPd4X8J:www.pbs.org/frontlineworld/stories/sierraleone/bout.html+halliburton+illegal+arms&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=19&gl=us
"The Los Angeles Times details reports indicating that companies linked to reputed Russian arms trafficker Victor Bout have received millions of dollars from U.S. contractors in Iraq, including Halliburton subsidiary KBR."

"...reports on allegations against Victor Bout and the United Nations description of Bout as perhaps the number-one arms smuggler in the world. The article also investigates evidence of Bout's involvement with arms shipments to Afghanistan, the Taliban and Al Qaeda. (New York Times, February 26, 2002)."
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Joe Wilson's report was the EXCUSE to "out" VPW and put the kibosh on the B-J enterprise.

[TahitiNut]

20. Welcome to the unavoidable conclusion.

It strains credulity beyond the breaking point that revealing Plame as a covert CIA agent delaing with nuclear nonproliferation would somehow make Wilson less believable. If anything, it makes him MORE believable! It says he's TRUSTED and suggest she could offer him guidance based on deeply classified information that not available to most others.

Since even the proposed motivation for outing her doesn't pass the laugh test, I can only conclude that SHE was the target and NOT Wilson. No other rationale comes close to explaining it.

[Emit]

23. AmericanJudas by Robert Paulsen

A must read on this subject.

Thursday, March 1, 2007
American Judas 2nd Edition: INVESTIGATE CHENEY & UNRAVEL THE CABAL
AMERICAN JUDAS
2nd Edition: INVESTIGATE CHENEY & UNRAVEL THE CABAL
By
Robert Paulsen
Compiled From the Research by Posters on “The Plame Indictment Threads” From 2004 And Other Investigative Threads From 2004 to 2007
At www.democraticunderground.com


Overview of Contents

Part One: Recap and Update
A. 1st edition recap
B. Plame related news update

Part Two: Office of Special Plans
A. CTEG - The "Wurmser-Maloof" project
B. WMD planting story

Part Three: Ghorbanifar & Ledeen: Iran/Contra Redux
A. Ghorbanifar sells phony Iran/Iraq WMD story
B. Ghorbanifar/Ledeen meeting: Dec. 2001 in Rome
C. Ledeen's history with Italian intelligence

Part Four: AIPAC Spy Scandal
A. Franklin guilty of espionage
B. Other suspected neo-con spies for Israel
C. Contents of the documents

Part Five: Niger Forgeries
A. Michael Ledeen
B. Duane Clarridge

Part Six: Sibel Edmonds
A. The Dickersons
B. 9/11 foreknowledge
C. Gag order & cover-up
D. The American-Turkish Council

http://americanjudas.blogspot.com/

[timtom]

32. Thanks to all 3 of your responses.

Sometimes I just get a lapse in wit and intelligence.

I am now bookmarking this page for further study (for when I'm more alert.)

Thanks again, WinkyDink, TahitiNut, and Emit.

[AntiFascist]

28. Why has news of the BAE scandal been so suppressed??!!!!

Over $80 billion arms trading slush fund??!!

[Horse with no Name]

30. Well we do know that there is an abundance of IED's in Iraq

There were car bombs and shit blowing up there every single day when Saddam was in power.:sarcasm:

[Captain Hilts]

4. VERY much so. A friend of mine was the CIA plant in the oil industry....

and worked with a major Middle Eastern oil outfit. So, I know how valuable these things are.

It's a Very Bad Thing Brewster Jennings was exposed.

[unpossibles]

5. I have asked these questions many times

the answers I tend to get:

1 - it was Armitage (and when I mention that Cheney was still involved in top level leaking, I get a blank stare)

2 - that Wilson outed Plame

3 - That Plame & Wilson had no real duties involved in WMD

4 - CLINTON!1!

And sometimes some other nonsense that is disconnected from reality. I'm starting to get frustrated that these folks can ever be swayed by facts since they have received so much garbage from so many sources (which are mostly from that same source), they think they already know the answer.

[Toots]

6. Actually I would like to amend this to say the question should be asked of Democrats as well

It must not bother too damn many or something would be done about it. Even a damn apology would be something. I think Congress should issue an apology to Valerie Plame in the Name of the United States of America a deep and sincere apology.. Officials of the US Government did this and the US government owes her an apology...

[MindPilot]

13. That was my thought exactly.

Perhaps a big public outcry on the part of the Dems would compromise other assets who are still out there, but I doubt that is the reason.
A very very serious crime was committed that compromised the security of the entire world and the extent of the damage may never be fully assessed.

Yet the media is silent, the Dems are silent, the intelligence community is silent (OK, they're supposed to be silent) and life goes on as if nothing happened.

[Auntie Bush]

34. Now that's what I call a good idea! Lord knows...she/they/we deserve it!

[The Backlash Cometh]

8. I think we would have gotten more mileage out of this if we could have

put a tax payer cost on what we lost when Brewster-Jennings was outed.

You have to know how to reach the insular Americans. For example, it's not about the Indian tribe that lost its livelihood. It's about 70,000 dead salmon.

If we could have said that Dick Cheney cost the American citizens half a billion dollars of tax dollars in the outing of Brewster Jennings which took x number of years to create, while his Halliburton took in x billion in 6 years, well, that would have been a better strategy.

[Warpy]

9. You have identified the real crime here

and just why it rises to the level of treason.

The CIA is essentially blind when it comes to this stuff, now, making it easier for the administration that blinded it to lie us into another war against Iran.

And you know they'll try to do just that.

[graywarrior]

12. It is one of the things that has really pissed me off since I first heard about it

It's one of those things that stays with me constantly. Grrrrrrrrr.

[Octafish]

14. It's exactly like an FBI man calling Tony Soprano and telling him there's an FBI agent in his crew.

Valerie Plame and the Brewster, Jennings and Associates Non-Official Cover organization were outted by their boss.

That's more than criminal. That is TREASON.

[ProgressiveEconomist]

16. Yes! Why not use the right word? 'TREASONGATE' makes this scandal understandable

for the average voter

[Beelzebud]

15. According to some on TEEVEE, I'm not in the beltway, so this case doesn't matter to me at all!

Thats what TEEVEE keeps telling me anyay.

[Cass]

17. This is a great post.

Its amazing that there is virtually no mention of Brewster Jennings in media discussions of this case. The media has been complicit in downplaying the seriousness of what happened here. Liberal media bias, my ass.

[Gregorian]

18. It bothers me more that we're less a country of laws and more a country of politics.

I'm not the least bit worried about terrorism. Maybe I should be. An important division of the CIA being lost is not good, but not the end of the country. What is the end of the country is why people seem to be getting away with thing like that.

What bothers me is-

Bush and Cheney holding hands (not under oath) at a so-called 9/11 commission.
Reading a book while the country is invaded.
Knowing that on 9/11 every PNAC signatory got what they wanted.
The Bin Ladens being flown out while GHW Bush was not allowed.
An illegal invasion of a sovereign and nonthreatening country.
The criminal negligence of the New Orleans disaster.
Cheney just being Cheney.


Edit- And revealing the identity of a covert (and critically important) CIA agent, to further an illegal agenda of war profiteering.

[sojourner]

19. Hell yes, it bothers me. However, WE are apparently not "in charge" and WE seem to have completely

lost our voices. Even when WE raise a fuss - the media and the gov't put us on mute. It's terrible what has happened to US.

[struggle4progress]

21. It was intentional: the Administration has done everything possible to undermine

the non-proliferation regime.

Their motive, of course, has been to provide cover for a new generation of US nuclear weapons.

So they sabotaged the Clinton-era agreement with N Korea, they scrapped existing arms control agreements with Russia, they sent Bolton to undermine the Nonproliferation Treaty talks, they ignored the Khan network in Pakistan, they encouraged nuclear work in India outside the NPT context, and they destroyed Plame's covert shop

[thereismore]

22. Excellent questions. nt

[Uncle Joe]

24. Yes, it does

Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread Toots.

[KAT119]

25. GHWB as Pres. installed Valerie as Covert Agent, thus his

criminal son in BFEE arguably knew her identity, also Jr's Dad receives the Pres's. Daily Briefs (therefore totally informed on all things political/military, which is very controversial in many ways, 1 being that Bush Sr. and his friends own a military equipment/hardware co. Carlyle Group) and are TOTALLY invested w/ Halliburton on profiteering in Iraq and all other US war zone interests=world!


I'm Mad as HELL, and feel all involved in blowing Plame's cover must be summarily arrested, tried, and as the treason legal statute calls for: 'if treason is committed 'in time of war--executed. It is THAT SERIOUS!!!

[oneofthepeople]

26. A newbie but I have been reading with interest for some time.

I have moved around the internet observing and offering my two cents worth here and there and where there have been people who deny that there was any wrong doing with this outing of a CIA agent, the testimony is not enough. There seems to be a few facts I myself need clarification on.

General Hayden approved the statement Waxman made at the hearing, and Waxman said she was covert. The CIA head only made that statement to a few Congressmen I understand.

During House hearings, Rep. Elijah Cummings (D-MD) announced that CIA Director Gen. Michael Hayden told Reps. Henry Waxman (D-CA) and Silvestre Reyes (D-TX) that there was no doubt Victoria Plame Wilson was covert. Cummings - relaying what Waxman had told him - said that Gen. Hayden expressed clearly and directly, “Ms. Wilson was covert.”

Why wasn't General Hayden asked to testify to that?

Those unwilling to accept Valerie Plame Wilson's distinct "I was covert", seem to use this 'Hayden did not testify under oath' as yet another Washington lie. According to what Knovak reported Hayden first told Waxman that Wilson was an “undercover agent.” Later, before the hearing, a CIA lawyer clarified with Waxman that Wilson was undercover, covert, and that her CIA status was classified.

Again, the clarification by a CIA lawyer, the non-testimony by Hayden only help to increase, in my estimation, the publics questioning .

Another DU member commented on the timeline of these events and also made the comment that if someone does not believe that Ms. Wilson was covert, you may as well stop talking. I have found many times this to be very true.

It is very possible that I missed something in the events prior to the hearing. If I did please correct me.

[Toots]

27. Here is the bottom line..Brewster Jennings Inc. is no longer in operation

It was because of Valerie Plame's identification that it was disbanded. Those are facts whether you believe she was covert or not. She was very important to them. Whether it was intentional or inadvertant does not matter. She was a career government employee, a GS-13 that no longer has the job she enjoyed for many years. She is due at the very least an apology and some mitigation. She did nothing wrong....She has been a faithful American Agent for decades and this is the way the Administration has treated her... By the way, Welcome to DU. Look forward to more of your posts as it is those that ask questions that learn the answers..:bounce: :bounce:

[Ilsa]

29. Yeah, and even some conservatives where I live are waking up to

the fact that Bushco is a bunch of traitors.

[Blue_Roses]

31. I think this is the gut of it all...

all other is hoop-la. Nothing is ever as it appears and since they are talking AROUND this, instead of ABOUT this, leads me to believe that they are AFRAID of it. This, THIS is the one thing that would blow the lid off of this whole mess.

I hope somewhere in the shadows, someone is doing some work, so there is real justice for this lady who served our country.

[librechik]

33. I'm furious! It was important to preserve her network! We are less safe now!