Do you still believe in Fitzmas?

[book_worm]

I know there was some disappointed that Scooter was the only one indicted and brought to trial in this whole mess. In retrospect do you think Fitzgerald should have made more indictments and if more people had been convicted it would have forced Bush to commute and/or pardon all of them--making it even clearer how deeply the WH wanted to protect their own from testifying against them. And maybe one person would have opened up and pointed fingers at Cheney and Bush?

Yes, this is Monday morning quarterbacking.

[jgraz]

1. OMG! I just realized what they're doing!!!

It's THE WAR ON FITZMAS!!

[femmocrat]

4. bush/cheney = the grinches

:(

[aquart]

2. Fitzgerald is acknowledged to be the best and most dogged

prosecutor in the country. He has the respect of everyone but fools.

[jgraz]

3. Sadly, that's not saying much right now

He also doesn't have the respect of a few liberal prosecutors, like Mike Pappantonio. Mike's stated many times that he felt Fitz was far too timid in not going after Rove and Cheney.

[book_worm]

5. I've read that too.

[Beelzebud]

10. I agree with Pappantonio.

Fitz was installed by Republicans, For Republicans...

[Garbo 2004]

22. And yet Fitzgerald has a record of indicting & convicting Republicans.

Think the Bush Administration wanted any indictment and wanted the release of the kind of information that was made public during the investigation and as a result of Libby's indictment and trial?

If Fitzgerald is being accused of a cover up, it's a strange sort of coverup that results in a conviction of the VP's Chief of Staff and a trail of documented evidence that leads right to the White House.

[Joe Chi Minh]

13. "Sadly", is not a good word to preface your posts or rejoinders with here

on DU, as it's usually employed by naysayers with a non-DU agenda.

Bear in mind that you will find prestigious nutjobs everywhere, even among the ranks of liberal officialdom. Is Mikey held in the kind of esteem that Fitz is? Apparently not.

On the other hand we have innumerable expert naysayers here who, however, would have difficulty with local bylaws, never mind the criminal law, and regularly denounce some of the smartest Democratic politicians and legal eagles in your country - apparently favouring a general storming of the White House with pitchforks. Are you such a luminary? Or are you just an earnest truth-seeker?

If the latter, you will soon be put in the picture on DU. But the words 'sadly' and 'alas' give off a certain miasma to our jaded nostrils, so I'd try to avoid them.

[jgraz]

18. Alas, I think I'll choose my own words, thanks.

Sadly, someone who judges a person on a single turn of phrase has marked themselves as a consummate idiot. Luckily, I've been around here long enough that most people know what to expect from me, the good and the bad.

[Joe Chi Minh]

20. Good for you. Keep it transparent. You know it makes sense.

[Goblinmonger]

6. *resists. urge. to. open. old. can. of. worms* n/t

[Hamlette]

7. he played it straight, he did not over reach, charged what he could prove

only ideologues think Libby got screwed. The beauty of the charges against Libby is they are easy to understand AND people know the difference between lying about sex and lying about outing a CIA agent.

If, and its a big if, this gets play in middle america it is worse for Bush/Cheney the GOP.

(I'm still haunted by the look on Bush's face when he talked about it. He looked scared. Is he scared of Cheney? Libby? God? He always looks so happy when he's talking about death and so miserable when he's talking about mercy. Where is Shakespeare when we need him. Or Frued.

[1620rock]

8. * turned my Fitzmas present into a lump of coal....

[populistdriven]

11. * pissed on my birthday cake nt

[Hamlette]

17. I'd rather see more scorn for Bush than Libby in jail. Maybe we can even talk impeachment? n/t

[Spazito]

9. Well, if Fitzgerald had not been appointed Special Counsel, if

the "investigation" had stayed under the hand of Ashcroft, libby would not have stood trial for obstruction of justice and perjury even though he started lying, right off the bat, to the FBI while Ashcroft was still in the mix.

If Fitzgerald had not done his job and gathered the evidence to prove beyond a reasonable doubt libby committed the crimes of obstruction of justice and perjury then the jury would not have convicted him.

If the jury had not convicted him, Judge Walton could not have sentenced him to prison time and there would have been no appeal for libby to stay out of prison while his appeals were on-going.

If Fitzgerald, the jury and Judge Walton had not done their jobs, the Appeals Court would not have, unanimously decided that there was no justification for libby to remain free during his appeals.

If Fitzgerald, the jury, Judge Walton and the D.C. Appeals Court had not done their job, libby would not have had to report to prison shortly after the Appeals Court decision and bush would not have had to "commute" libby's sentence to NO prison time.

Because Fitzgerald DID his job, the American public are outraged at bush's actions regarding libby, the straw that is breaking the camel's back, so to speak so......


Edited to add:

There is an old nursery rhyme that resonates with me when thinking about the whole Plame/libby/cheney/bush thing:


For want of a nail the shoe was lost.
For want of a shoe the horse was lost.
For want of a horse the rider was lost.
For want of a rider the battle was lost.
For want of a battle the kingdom was lost.
And all for the want of a horseshoe nail.


Some thought the loss of the nail should have immediately led to the loss of the kingdom but it is the small things that often start the path toward the loss of the kingdome instead.

Fitzgerald removed the nail.


Yes, I believe Fitzmas happened and what we are seeing is the opening of the "presents" now.

[blondeatlast]

14. Personally, I think we just got our Fitzmas Eve gift--the real fun is yet to come.

Especially considering Walton has been anticipating W's every move.

[Spazito]

16. I agree, things are snowballing well beyond cheneybush's control

and there is definitely more gifts about to be opened.

[JitterbugPerfume]

12. the wheels of justice grind slowly

but exceedingly fine (or something like that)

patience

[buff2]

15. Heck no....

Fitzmas was just like any other fairy tale. We wanted to believe,but we got screwed. Bu$h,Cheney,Libby and the rest of the WH thugs have gotten ANOTHER free pass. Let's face it...they will do whatever the hell they want whenever they want and they don't have a damn thing to worry about. This WH is ABOVE the rule of law.....and no one is there to stop them. :grr:

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

19. If he does testify before the Judiciary Committees and provide information that can help

the Committee members to recommend Impeachment, Fitzmas can saved from the Grinches!

[msanthrope]

21. I Still Believe....Even Now in The Darkest Hour...

I still hold out that the true miracle of Fitzmas is yet to come....