USS Enterprise heads for Iran

[lovuian]

http://patdollard.com/2007/06/01/uss-enterprise-heads-to-iran/

to join the world’s largest sea-based strike force already on their doorstep. More of what the MSM won’t tell you:

The Enterprise makes three. Three carriers and three strike groups, total.

This finalizes the first phase of military escalation against Iran that VP Cheney promised to the Gulf States.

The message we sent to Iran in Baghdad was signigicant only to people who don’t know better, like the media and dumb politicians. The real message is in the weapons of mass destruction, the instruments of the apocalypse of Iran’s nuclear facilities and infrastructure, that we have strung like a Damocles sword above their heads. Bush has made it quietly clear to them that we are going to strike
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the clash between the navy of the Islamic Republic and a US naval task force led by the aircraft carrier USS Enterprise, was subsequently classed as one of the five naval battles of historic importance that established American sup-remacy at sea.

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The battle

The battle, nicknamed by the US “Operation Praying Mantis”, was followed in July by a tragic accident when the USS Vincennes shot down an Iran Air jetliner by mistake, killing all 290 passengers and crew.

Khomeini interpreted the accident as a deliberate escalation by the US and feared that his regime was in danger. Rafsanjani and other advisers used that fear to persuade the ayatollah to end the war with Iraq, something he had adamantly refused for eight years.

A broken Khomeini appeared on TV to announce that he was “drinking the chalice of poison” by accepting a UN-ordered ceasefire. He was no longer going to Karbala on his way to Jerusalem.

In his memoirs, Rafsanjani makes it clear that without the disastrous naval battle and the downing of the Iran Air jet, Khomeini would not have agreed to end a war that had already claimed a million Iranian and Iraqi lives.

The reason was that Khomeini was leader of a regime that lacked adequate mechanisms for self-restraint. He was the driver of a vehicle with no clutch or reverse-gear, let alone a brake, and thus was doomed to speed ahead until it hit something hard.

Interestingly, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad used a similar image recently when he committed the regime to a no-compromise position on the nuclear issue. “This train has no reverse-gear and no brakes,” he said.
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Interesting read Does History repeat itself

[Rabrrrrrr]

1. Well, at least with photon torpedos, we'll stand a better chance.

On a serious note: THAT'S GODDAMNED SCARY!! :scared:

Pelosi be damned - we need an impeachment, and NOW.

[lovuian]

2. its like he is sending our whole Navy

to the Persian Gulf

Ya isn't two carriers enough ya got to have three???

[FogerRox]

33. ITS BS and hype...Pat Dollard hss no clue, he cant count, see post #31

[Dem_Wit]

14. Hey if they put a John Deere on it...

and turned the headlights on would that be a tractor beam?

[FogerRox]

57. He he, Star Terek fans are welcome,,do you know the story of the Bussard collector?

[zbdent]

62. Is that the crimson cloud?

"He is smart."

[FogerRox]

65. Hydrogen collectors for the engines

Bussard collectors. Dr Bussard advanced a theory (45 ? yrs ago) that electro-static cones could collect hydrogen and scoop the hydrogen into the engines.

[KoKo]

3. OFGS Bush & Cheney ....GET ON WITH IT! Do a STRIKE...

and let the M$$$$M do your Dirty Work and GET IT OVER WITH....OOP's....I forgot...it might just extend this WAR for as far as we can see.....break our country and drown it in Grover Norquist's bathtub....but ...nevermind.

[UTUSN]

4. Troop movements are always a no-no. n/t

[flvegan]

5. That's my dad's boat.

I'm sickened to see her used for this.

[seemslikeadream]

6. No one is asleep at the wheel. Except the media and the Democrats.

[seemslikeadream]

7. Bahrain & Kuwait prepared for US/IRAN war Are you?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=385&topic_id=28221

[TechBear_Seattle]

8. My brother is with the Enterprise group

According to my mom, he will be retiring with his 20 years soon after he gets back. I doubt very much they will let him go.

[sanskritwarrior]

13. Why won't they let him go

Here in the Army we have a shortage of people and I know next to no one that was forced to stay after 20 years......Now if he is an officer, that is different.......There is a small chance they would make him stay, but he would need to be mission essential..........

[lovuian]

17. Probably another War will crop again

and try and make him ... this government you never know

[Marrah_G]

46. It depends on rank and job I think

My brother is a Navy commander, he has been retired from active duty for a decade. He was re-activated in January and is now sitting in Iraq with his wife due to give birth any day now.

[nadinbrzezinski]

59. They tried to keep my hubby after twenty

and if we go to war with Iran I fear they will reactivate him

[CatholicEdHead]

9. Is this part of a normal rotation or not?

Are any of the other carrier groups scheduled to come back soon?

[Marrah_G]

47. Yes it's normal rotation

8 months for each group I think.

[FogerRox]

52. Correct- 6 months in theater.

[Marrah_G]

53. Woooo I remembered correctly!

My brother is a Navy. He was retired but they reactivated him and sent him to Iraq.

[FogerRox]

56. Give him a welcome home from me when he gets back

They all earned "welcome homes", ya know...

[Marrah_G]

60. Hopefully he will be back by christmas

So far it looks like they haven't extended the Navy tours to 15 months....So far. His wife is having a baby any day now so it's pretty scary having him on the ground there.

And thanks I will definitely do that.

[BlueIris]

10. Messy.

Now would be a good time to pray, blog, and do whatever else you think you should to signal public hatred of this idea.

[Rex]

11. So is it going to relieve another group or add to group strength?

[lovuian]

15. It isn't said they are relieving It looks like its

a show of force ... our Army is a mess and now he brings in the Navy
Can you tell losing Iraq and Iran isn't a option to the NWO

alas they will fail

its a moment in time

[FogerRox]

55. Rotation, see my post #31 for proper links

http://www.navycompass.com/news/newsview.asp?c=218904

[Strelnikov_]

12. "And we are running out of oil."

And we are running out of oil. The capitalist-imperialist model is having trouble.

The consumerism of the north is confronting its trouble. There is not enough oil in the whole world to sustain this irrational model of consumerism and waste. Because this consumerism is a terrible waste of resources.

On the other hand, the U.S. does not have enough oil. That was the main reason for the coup against me. Oil.

They wanted our oil. We're talking about 2002. The idea was to then go into Iraq. And then to Iran

Of course, they failed here. In Iraq, I think they will also fail. Now, they're targeting Iran.

- Hugo Chavez from "Finding Bolivar's Heir"

[lovuian]

16. yep

thats a big part of this

[AntiFascist]

22. This is an important point...

Even today the right-wing media is writing about "Plateau Oil":

http://www.newsmax.com/money/archives/st/2007/7/9/92045.cfm?s=al&promo_code=36CF-1

...

The IEA trimmed its forecast for supply from non-OPEC producers by 800,000 bpd in 2011, partly because of project delays, and touched on the thorny subject that oil supplies are nearing a peak.

...

[conspirator]

18. Scotty beam me up :) n/t

[SalmonChantedEvening]

25. "Ah cannae do it Captain! The dilithium crystals are depleted!"

:D

[SammyWinstonJack]

49. No kidding!

[The Stranger]

19. SOMEONE CALL STARFLEET -- AND FAST.

[Phredicles]

44. Unfortunately I fear this is the other universe's enterprise:

[Blue_Tires]

61. not the alternate reality crew!

nooooooooooooooooooo

[FredfromSpace]

64. Even THESE alternate reality guys are better than Bush and Co.

As I recall, the alternate-universe Spock, at least, turned out to a fairly decent fellow.

The Sulu, not so much.....

[leftchick]

20. and the commander in Centcom is?

http://www.centcom.mil/sites/uscentcom2/CENTCOM%20Leadership/fallon.aspx

and not for nothing. :(

[leeroysphitz]

21. Excellent point. nt

[LibertyorDeath]

27. Off topic

She's freaking brilliant isn't she

They both are imo

[Rex]

23. How many times has an Admiral been in charge of Centcom?

[leftchick]

26. I don't know

do you? I would guess never?

[Rex]

36. No, just wondering out loud.

I would wonder if this is a sign of things to come.

[lovuian]

24. 7500 Navy men will be at the Straits of Hormuz

a big showdown coming

[lovuian]

45. kick

:kick:

[HowHasItComeToThis]

28. GEORGE AND HIS GENERALS MUST HAVE THEIR WAR

IT IS THEIR REPLACEMENT FOR ORGASM.

[paparush]

29. Oh, for f#ck's sake!!

[FogerRox]

37. YOu and me and that pic meet again, LOL.

[TheBaldyMan]

30. There will be no attack on Iran, not now, not in the near future.

I don't know exactly how many times threads use routine deployments to the Near East as proof positive that Iran is just about to be invaded but every time they have been unjustified. Use the search function if you don't believe me.

This is just the latest installment of jumping to conclusions. Yes, there is an awful lot of sabre rattling but that is all it is.

If you want to get worried about something , get worried about the provocation triggering an incident by mistake. Iran has suffered terror bombing attacks from US funded terrorist groups (Bush calls them freedom fighters), and there are regular incursions into Iranian airspace by US warplanes. Remember that next time the Whitehouse says that Iranian are backing insurgents in Iraq.

Militarily, economically and politically it would be nonsensical and counter-productive to start any attack on Iran.

History may repeat itself but people are wiser this time around to the Whitehouse claims of immanent danger from the bogeyman du jour.

A multitude of lies got us into the current mess and if anything will get Bush impeached it'll be a lot of crazy talk about widening the war. "Mission Expanded" is so far from the realm of possibility that the subject shouldn't even be worth raiseing.

[FogerRox]

32. Thanks you for a voice of sanity, see my post #31

[TheBaldyMan]

35. IMHO paparush said it far better than I could.

but thanks for the compliment, even if you are a golden riveter.

[FogerRox]

38. "golden riveter." Huh ?

[TheBaldyMan]

42. British Army slang

here's a definition from the an unofficial British Army website.

http://www.arrse.co.uk/wiki/Golden_Rivet">The Golden Rivet

The Golden Rivet is a mythical rivet found on RN ships, it is brought to your attention by a friendly Sailor saying "look shipmate there is the Golden Rivet" you bend over to look for it and then Jack gets a fat lip or you get a sore arse.

hence 'golden riveter' = sailor

[FogerRox]

31. Sorry, there is one CV in the Persian Gulf

1) Nimitz is in India, crews on leave
2) Enterprise as of june was in the mniddle of qualifications, easy coast.
3) Kitty Hawk is in the Coral Sea.
4) Ike is in Norfolk Va.
5) Carl Vinson is drydocked untill 2010.
6) Theodore Roosevelt is in Norfolk for a 9 month maintence cycle.
7) G. Washington just got out of drydock in Norfolk.
8) Stennis is in the Persian Gulf. And is near the end of its 6 month deployment.
9) Harry S. Truman is training on the east coast.
10) Ronald Reagan is in SAn Diego.
11) GHW Bush has not yet been delivered to the Navy.
12) Lincoln is off the state of Washington, from its home port of BRemmington.

http://www.gonavy.jp/CVLocation.html


Routine says the Stennis ( near the end of its 6 month deployment.) gets replaced by the Enterprise.

[leftchick]

43. The Enterprise will JOIN two groups not replace either

The nuclear-powered USS Enterprise and its strike group will join the USS John C. Stennis and USS Nimitz in the navy's Fifth Fleet area of operation, which includes Gulf waters off Iran.

"The Enterprise is heading to Fifth Fleet waters and is not replacing any other ships in the area," a US Navy spokesperson told AFP without elaborating.

The US Navy has significantly beefed up its presence in the region recently amid growing concerns in the West that Iran is secretly developing a nuclear weapons programme -- an accusation Tehran strongly denies.

The Enterprise "provides navy power to counter the assertive, disruptive and coercive behaviour of some countries, as well as support (to) our soldiers and marines in Iraq and Afghanistan," Vice Admiral Kevin Cosgrifff said in the statement.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070710/pl_afp/usnavygulfiran_070710131952

[FogerRox]

51. Nimintz is due back home Sept. google it, the first page is all about Stennis coming home

I see your one URL and raise you 3 more

http://www.abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=3362122&page=1

http://www.nysun.com/article/58168

http://abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/07/11/1975360.htm?section=justin

http://www.navycompass.com/news/newsview.asp?c=218904

[kansasblue]

34. Rush and Fox love this guy.

Let's not direct more hits to him.

[lovuian]

39. I hope all of you are right just know that Lebanon is a mess

right now and Turkey is wanting to invade Iraq
plus Iraq has gotten more unstable

so we will hope it means nothing
and the Enterprise is just going to relieve the Stennis

[calteacherguy]

40. Klingons? nt

[nolabels]

58. Probably those Tribbles again, eating into every bodies profit

[philosophie_en_rose]

41. So much for that Prime Directive.

:)

[lovuian]

48. too make a point Yahoo and others are always 1=2 days behind

kinda pathetic

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070710/pl_afp/usnavygulfiran_070710131952

"The Enterprise is heading to Fifth Fleet waters and is not replacing any other ships in the area," a US Navy spokesperson told AFP without elaborating.

without elaborating that means one of the largest navel buildups seen in many many years

[FogerRox]

54. I hadnt thought of that, hmmm you might have a point there

Semi official website says Stennis due to finish its rotation then come home.


http://www.navycompass.com/news/newsview.asp?c=218904

[sicksicksick_N_tired]

50. Empire-building is,...hard work,...HARD work,...hard WORK,...

,...for the busy bees and proletariats.

GET TO WORK!!!!

[zbdent]

63. No doubt Bush won't want

phasers on stun ... maybe they can beam Traficant to his home planet ...