I thought Cindy was going to take a rest??

[quinnox]

WTF is this, she said she was tired of the politics and her always getting flak and now she inserts herself once again.

She said she was tired around a month ago and now here she is again, popping up. Grabbing the spotlight. She just can't stay away can she?

You know, maybe she should do what she said and leave the politics to the politicians for awhile!

Hell yea, why not take a rest Cindy!

[mike_c]

1. Cindy Sheehan speaks for me....

:patriot:

[philosophie_en_rose]

22. Sad.

Shouldn't you speak for yourself?

[LittleClarkie]

53. I speak for me

It is certainly her right to run for office if she so chooses. But I'd rather she didn't make statements for anyone but herself. In the article about this announcement, she talked about how "Democrats were getting tired..." That never ceases to annoy me, no matter who's making the declaration, when someone speaks for a whole group of people who did not elect that person as their spokesperson.

Meanwhile, I will give Cindy credit for the attention she's raising in the press, bringing up impeachement.

[quinnox]

56. yea you are right

You have made several good points in this thread I agree with you

[lligrd]

2. Guess She Is Rested Up

Apparently, she doesn't need as much rest as Bush does. Why does that bother you? GO CINDY!!!

[proud2BlibKansan]

3. She is leaving the peace movement and she sold Camp Casey

She never said anything about leaving politics. She is not a politician. But now she is considering becoming one. :)

[OzarkDem]

28. A new direction

good for her. Not sure why this bothers anyone.

[proud2BlibKansan]

33. Because they are party loyalists

Unfortunately, some are more concerned about the damn party than the country. Being a loyal Democrat is more important than ending the fucking war.

Sad indeed.

[LittleClarkie]

48. Some of us believe that getting a Dem elected to president is the best way to end the war

And that these third party tangents help little.

[proud2BlibKansan]

60. Um Cindy isn't running for president

:eyes:

[DesertRat]

42. It doesn't look like she's leaving the peace movement after all

She sold her land in Crawford, but she's still setting up Camp Casey.

8/25/2007 - Kennebunkport
Please join Cindy Sheehan, Melida and Carlos Arredondo, Iraq Veterans and people of conscience on our march to the family estate of George W. Bush. Cindy Sheehan will be setting up a CAMP CASEY & CAMP ALEX at a farm near the Bush estate.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=1281005

[proud2BlibKansan]

44. Semantics

She is now a part of what she calls the human rights movement.

[lligrd]

4. But Maybe, You Should Take Your Own Advice nt

[seriousstan]

5. Publicity and fame are POWERFUL items.

She is headed for a rude awakening. She was useful when the users wanted a tool. Now she will find her 15 minutes were merely tolerated.

[quinnox]

6. yea you right

Cindy is in for a rude awakening

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[WilliamPitt]

8. She did take a rest.

When was the last time you took six weeks off from work? She did, and it is a credit to her integrity that she is unwilling to stay out of the fight. We need every body and every voice if we're going to get anything done, and she has proven her ability to move the pile.

Now...

WTF is this, she said she was tired of the politics and her always getting flak and now she inserts herself once again.

Inserts herself? She's an American with the right of free speech. If more Americans "inserted" themselves into the system with 0.0001% of her energy and dedication, we wouldn't be in this mess.

She said she was tired around a month ago and now here she is again, popping up. Grabbing the spotlight. She just can't stay away can she?

Again, six weeks of sleep and good food and no traveling can work wonders. "Grabbing the spotlight" is what activists do, thank God. No, she can't stay away. Neither can I, and neither can anyone who cares about their country.

By the way, she never said she was quitting. The word was "retooling," to find a more effective means of making change. It seems she has decided that campaigning for office, or considering a run, is the retool.

You know, maybe she should do what she said and leave the politics to the politicians for awhile!

Yeah, cuz that's worked out pretty well, right?

For the record, I am not in favor of her running against Pelosi. I like the threat as a means to push the issues, but an actual run won't do any good for her or anyone else. But a) That's just my opinion, and b) No matter what, I respect Cindy Sheehan to the skies. She does not deserve the kind of rubbish you've written here...and by the way, the phrase you're groping for is "attention whore." The charge is as bullshit now as it was six weeks ago.

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[devilgrrl]

9. What are you going to do about it? Call her a 'Attention Whore'?

:sarcasm::eyes:

[noamnety]

11. "leave the politics to the politicians"

That's really cool how you made it sound like politicians are a whole other species entirely, and not just people who run for office and then get elected.

[uppityperson]

12. I like that statement also "leave the politics to the politicians".

wtf?

[camero]

13. Maybe she just got too pissed off

I know alot of us are.

[uppityperson]

14. Why even start this topic if you really believe what you write...

"Cindy is in for a rude awakening.

I think she will just embarrass herself.

I'm not going to call her a whore but it does seem like she can't get enough of the media attention and spotlight.

Let sheehan run she will get her ass kicked. She is no threat at all, it will be a humiliating defeat but I do agree this is perfectly reasonable for anyone to challenge an incumbent if they are unhappy with them. "


What is your problem? Edited to add ah, search shows me you won't go see Sicko because it doesn't present both sides of the story, you missed Live Earth yet watched it and was underwhelmed yet didn't "feel like I missed anything".

[devilgrrl]

15. Were you here earlier today?

Check this one out

[quinnox]

16. What do you mean?

[uppityperson]

18. why not just ignore her if you really believe what you write?You seem to be in a hot mood today.

"Cindy is in for a rude awakening.

I think she will just embarrass herself.

I'm not going to call her a whore but it does seem like she can't get enough of the media attention and spotlight.

Let sheehan run she will get her ass kicked. She is no threat at all, it will be a humiliating defeat but I do agree this is perfectly reasonable for anyone to challenge an incumbent if they are unhappy with them. "

You obviously think she is no problem, yet have to chime in about her. Why?

Sicko, Live Earth, Cindy Sheehan. What next? You seem to like starting hot topics, speaking of attention seekers.

[quinnox]

19. I don't know maybe

just for the hell of it. Sometimes I post on impulse, depends on what the hot topic is, right now it is cindy sheehan.
I guess I don't take this all as deadly serious as some others?

[JTFrog]

29. Now I see

why your threads get locked. Maybe you should make a right turn and try posting elsewhere. You're posts would probably last longer.

[annabanana]

31. Yeah.. Why should Cindy be "deadly serious"? Why should we?

It's just a message board after all. Nobody here but us citizens. There's nothing serious about dead soldiers, after all. I guess everyone should just "lighten up".(:sarcasm:)

[Truthiness Inspector]

17. I agree

But this seems like an opportunity for me to apologize as well.

This is a site for Democrats and I guess it just really got under my skin seeing Nancy Pelosi getting skewered here for not charging headfirst into impeachment proceedings. In my opinion, it would not be wise or fruitful (and potentially would backfire), but I was wrong to be somewhat (or totally) obnoxious about it.

My position remains the same, but I hope those of you I butted heads with accept my apology for how I went about it.

Peace, hope, and happiness to you all.

[AndyTiedye]

20. She Should Run for Nancy's Seat After Nancy Becomes President

If Bush** and DarthCheney are impeached and removed from office, then Nancy Pelosi becomes President.
That would open up a vacancy in the House. Presumably there would have to be a special election.
She could run in that election.

[Seabiscuit]

21. So what? Everyone gets tired, and everyone changes their mind.

[Laurier]

23. She can't help herself

She got her 15 minutes of fame via her son's unfortunate death, she knows that that's her only claim to "fame" (sad and sick as it is), she's been riding it ever since quite shamefully but successfully, and she's too fucking stupid to know when to shut the hell up.

[WilliamPitt]

25. Vile.

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[Forkboy]

35. Exhibit A as to why we need Cindy

It pisses off the simpletons.

[havocmom]

47. Sadly, over 3000 mothers lost offspring to that war. Not all got 15 minutes of fame.

Just MAYBE she got attention because she got up AND DID SOMETHING constructive with her grief?

"... too fucking stupid to know when to shut the hell up." applies to someone much closer to you than Cindy Sheehan!

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

71. Your Perception Is Monumentally Flawed.

I don't agree with Cindy whatsoever with this and no longer support her actions. There is a big difference in being disenfranchised with her methods/actions and actually personally attacking her in such a brutally ignorant manner.

I don't agree with what she's doing now at all. But I don't question for a second that she believes wholeheartedly that she is doing the right thing in the best ways she can in the sincerest memory of her beloved son. It disgusts me to the highest level to see such ignorant attacks on her character as if she's not being genuine (even if wrong) and doing this all for selfish dishonorable reasons.

The only thing shameful is attacks like yours.

[dEMOK]

24. Have you lost a son to a needless war...

?

[LittleClarkie]

49. Would you grant the same courtesy to a freeper mother who'd lost her son in this war?

?

[Breeze54]

52. Yes. I have and I do.

Mothers are mothers. We all have that in common. Our children.

[dEMOK]

61. LittleClarkie, my question was directed at the OP, but OK......

...have you lost a son to a needless war?

[Hippo_Tron]

27. What's the big deal? She won't win or even be a spoiler

I think Independent candidates are only worth getting worked up over when they have the potential to help a Republican get elected. In this case, there is zero chance of that. She knows that she can't win and she knows that she isn't enabling a Republican to win.
I don't see the need to trash her.

Most people here agree with her message, but some just find the need to complain about the way she delivers it. Her delivery, IMO, isn't doing any harm.

[treestar]

30. She's a grieving mother, not an activist or politician

I don't think she would make a good representative - it would take paying attention to other issues, too.

[Lil Missy]

34. Apparently she decided she didn't need to check in with you when her rest was over.

[Forkboy]

36. I liked you better back in the day when all you would do was defend Lieberman

Is there no one around to call "anti-semitic" anymore?

Ahhh,those were the DU days!

[Bonobo]

37. SHE'S NADER IN DRAG!

What a narcissistic, delusional egomaniacal two-timer!

She probably wanted her son dead so she could split the Democratic party!

She's Ralph Nader with tits! Take a rest, lady! Leave politics to the politicians!

On Edit, for those without a sense of sarcasm:

:sarcasm:

[Kingofalldems]

38. This thread is loaded with disrupters

Amazing how they pop up whenever Ms. Sheehan is mentioned.

[Forkboy]

40. For which side?

[Kingofalldems]

41. Anti Sheehan

Actually I predicted this a few days back. Do a search in GD on me.

[helderheid]

39. OMG!!!! She CHANGED HER MIND???? how DARE she.

:eyes:

[devilgrrl]

58. Gee. I guess that makes her a flip-flopper!

:eyes:

[Forkboy]

43. She was going to but felt sorry that all you had to whine about was Live Earth and Michael Moore.

[uppityperson]

54. !

:rofl:

[devilgrrl]

59. And you two thought my Nader thread was bad....

At least I took my ass-whooping in stride.

[Forkboy]

65. LOL

You were a good sport. :)

[Beelzebud]

45. She took a rest, saw the Dems not doing shit, and came back.

Why don't you take a rest?

[Poll_Blind]

46. DU is always good for a "shit on Cindy" thread. ALWAYS.

  And that's something to think about. Is it surprising? I would think so. I would think we would all be surprised about those kinds of sentiments here.

From Poll question: How does DU feel about Cindy Sheehan?:

Poll result (453 votes)
"I applaud Cindy's Sheehan's heroic efforts to end the occupation in Iraq." (362 votes, 80%)
"Cindy Sheehan is an "attention whore." Good riddance to her." (91 votes, 20%)

  This place likes to view itself one way but anyone can just simply read the messages and see what the sentiments are. That poll, btw, was much closer to fifty-fifty. And then a huge number of votes came in much later to push the "whore" vote down.

PB

[Beelzebud]

50. With shit like this it's not hard to see why we're still in Iraq.

We have plenty of "democrats" that just love to shill for BushCo.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

51. Why don't you give it a rest.

[erpowers]

55. Not A Sheenan Supporters-Do not Get People

When I saw I am not a Sheenan supporter I do not mean I do not think she has a right to protest the war or a right to run for office. I just do not think it is the greatest thing to do. I tend to not be a supporter of a one issue candidate. So far it seems that her one and only issue is the war in Iraq.

I too would like to see the war come to an end, but I do not get some people here at DU and in America in general. I do not see why so many people are upset with Pelosi and the Democrats for not ending the war. I do not mean to be mean, but were people living in a fantasy land. I never thought the Democrats would be able to really end this war without a Democratic president unless Bush decided to end the war. I could understand if Pelosi and the Democrats had not done anything at all or had not tried to do anything at all, but they have actually tried to get Bush to move in a direction to end the war. So far Bush has not wanted to end the war. Democrats do not have that much power in that no matter what bill they push Bush can veto the bill. Furthermore, the Democrats though in the majority do not have a big enough majority to override Bush's veto. Therefore, there is really not way to end the war. I can image some will say all the Democrats have to do is attach the spending requirement to a bill that Bush cannot veto and then you have it. However, we all know Bush loves to use executive orders and signing statements. Even if the Democrats would attach spending requirements which defunded the war Bush probably would just sign the bill and then issue a signing statement saying he does not have to follow the bill. In addition, I can image it is possible for Bush to just take money from some other project and spend that money on the war. So as far as I can see there is really no way to end the Iraq war until after 2008.

For all those angry that Pelosi is not pushing for impeachment you should look at what could happen if Pelosi pushes for impeachment. Democrats of today need to constantly look at the Nixon/Ford period as a guide. Ford was not the Speaker of the House when he became the Vice President. If Pelosi pushes for impeachment the issue could really backfire in the face of the Democrats. I have no doubt that Cheney and the gang would not allow Pelosi to rise to the presidency. I contend that if Pelosi and the Democrats push for impeachment Cheney will resign and either McCain or Rice will be put in his place. I guess the Democrats of today are in a better position than the ones in Nixon's time in that they may have a bigger majority so maybe Pelosi could get vote as the Vice President anyway. However, it is possible that Rice would get the vote. If that happens and the Democrats all of a sudden decided they will not impeach Bush the Republicans will be able to say the Democrats do not want to continue because a black female who happens to be a Republican would fill Bush place. That could cause many problems for the Democrats in the future. Unless it is guaranteed that Pelosi will be Vice President before Bush resigns the Democrats should just leave impeachment off the table.

Finally, the Democrats have done a great deal since they came into office. They were able to do a number of things they had put on the 100 days agenda. One of those things was raising the minimum wage. They have done other things, but I cannot completely remember those things; however, they have not just sat in Congress and done nothing. I see no reason Pelosi should be removed as Speaker of the House.

[LittleClarkie]

57. I agree that we need a Dem president. That's what I work for.

And thank you for pointing out that the Dems have done things since getting into office. I'm getting sick of people saying that Pelosi and the Dems have done nothing. It makes me think they've not been paying attention, and makes our job that much harder in 2008 if the myth that the Dems have done nothing gets in the voters heads.

[dEMOK]

62. quinnox, I'll ask again -- Have you lost a son to a needless war...

?

[Yukari Yakumo]

63. And why is that relevant? nt

[Forkboy]

66. It's relevant because Cindy did. Hello?

And maybe,just maybe,those of you who rag on her might want to try the empathy thing because of it.

[Bluebear]

67. It's relevant because YOU WERE THE ONE TO CALL HER "ATTENTION WHORE"

Even though she lost a son to this war, you punk.

[ima_sinnic]

68. because--DUH--her whole mission was founded on the question WHY

her son died, "for what noble cause?"

--but according to you, she is just an "attention whore." Somehow you, like your friend the OP, seem to think the way to fight is to drop out of sight--not even "be seen and not heard," don't even be seen. Kind of like overgrown adolescents who comfortably spend all day in mom's basement playing video games while insulting those who are sacrificing and taking risks to ensure that they can continue to be idiotic boneheads. You need to come upstairs once in a while.

[ima_sinnic]

64. gee, would you have said that about Martin Luther King Jr?

I mean, look at the way he was always "popping up" and "grabbing the spotlight," risking not only ridicule but also actual death -- and there is no guarantee that some idiot won't come out of nowhere and try to assassinate Cindy as well. I don't even need to google to know she must have received some death threats by now. Yet she pushes on -- for her own self-aggrandizement, according to you.

Apparently your idea of activism is to sit in a closet talking to yourself, keeping it as low-key as possible. Gee, we wouldn't want to "rock the boat" or anything, now, would we?
Your total lack of understanding of her motives, and of the need for "popping up" is pathetic.

"leave the politics to the politicians" -- I don't know whether to laugh or cry at that, it is so ignorant. what part of "government by, for, and of the people" do you not understand? "politicians" are the scum of the earth as far as I'm concerned--with their palms out, in bed with corporate fat-cats, talking out of the sides of their mouths, screwing over the voters. It is way WAY past time for citizens to take their rightful place in the running of their own country, as is supposed to be the case in a democracy.

By the way, what sacrifices have YOU made, WHAT RISKS HAVE YOU TAKEN that make you think you are so lofty and wise?
Since you think activists should keep a low profile, I suspect your answer to that would have to be zilch, nada, nothing. You have not even a particle of understanding of what it means to battle "the establishment."

[Hideboh]

69. oh please

how can one possibly blame her for working so hard to stop this nonsense oil grabbing endeavor.
Instead of mocking her, just find more positive things to do for the sake of your country.

[ComerPerro]

70. attention, attention, attention. LOL

[Heidi]

72. Were we using that spotlight for something more meaningful than bringing the troops home? (nt)