Breaking on MSNBC - Bush invokes Exec Privilege

[malaise]

in fired attorneys case.

Bring it on Bushie. Discussion on now.
Sp.

[rfranklin]

1. Hard to believe they don't have the "fix" in already...

They will get David Sentelle and his accomplice to rule on this and then on to the Supreme Court where the votes are already counted.

[bdamomma]

2. that arrogant SOB is just asking for it isn't he?

why doesn't he just proclaim that he is King. Stupid a$$hole.

[babylonsister]

3. No surprise there:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1278184&mesg_id=1278184

[Solly Mack]

4. imagine that

[Norquist Nemesis]

5. That settles any question of WH involvement on the issue

The WH can't claim they had no involvement any more. Invoking EP is an in your face "Yes! We were involved. And if you think we're going to tell you anything about it, you can go fuck yourself!"

[InkAddict]

6. Congress has privileges too and they better use them!

NOW!

[Jack Rabbit]

7. Executive what?

I'm still of Raoul Berger's opinion: there is no such thing as executive privilege. It is a constitution myth created by the Eisenhower administration in an attempt to tell Senator McCarthy to get lost. It's just a lot of steer manure.

Congress has the power to investigate the actions of the executive branch and when the president doesn't cooperate, that is a possible subject for impeachment. In the case of Nixon, it was the third article of impeachment that was recommended by the House Judiciary Committee.

[malaise]

10. Can he invoke Executive Privilege for persons no longer working

in the administration? Can that stand up in court?

[Javaman]

13. Yes, because he ransoms that persons soul. nt

[librechik]

21. we're about to find out n/t

[Tesha]

26. Likely yes, as long as the invocation...

Likely yes, as long as the invocation covers actions
the person performed as part of their roll in the
Executive.

Tesha

[Canuckistanian]

43. What if they decided to ignore the president?

He can't fire them. He can't charge them with anything, because they'd be complying with a lawful order.

But wait, maybe that's it.

Maybe he WANTS a showdown.

[robinlynne]

45. because he has the supreme court. That is right where he wants the fight to go.

[wicket]

8. Typical

n/t

[doni_georgia]

9. And this is surprising?

Bush has shown over and again that he believes the powers of the President are ABSOLUTE. I was telling my husband the other day that if Congress got up the balls to impeach the son of a bitch he'd just refuse to appear before Congress. He has demonstrated a total disregard for the Constitution since day 1. Nothing he does surprises me.

[bdamomma]

37. I wish they would proclaim him as out of control mentally

and get him out, I only wish.

[liberal N proud]

11. And yet no mention of Impeachment by Congress

What will it take for them to finally do their job and prosecute?

[malaise]

16. I'm sure they're organizing a press conference about now

They'd better be organizing a response.

[senseandsensibility]

31. Do you really think they are ?

I want to believe you're right, but my gut tells me they're doing nothing.

[malaise]

33. Conyers has responded with a release

I saw it on another thread. Let's have the press conference. Bring it on Bush.

[senseandsensibility]

35. I knew about Conyers

and I wish I had your optimism about the press conference. I sincerely hope that you are right, and I am wrong. :hi:

[blondeatlast]

39. From the OPs edited posting, you offered them all of 17 minutes to respond.

:eyes:

[liberal N proud]

40. It's been 2 hours has anything changed?

I suspect that two days from now, nothing will have changed

[blondeatlast]

50. I'll put as much stock in that as I do in Nostradamus. nt

[GOTV]

42. Widepread public support for impeachment n/t

[KharmaTrain]

12. Now Let's See How Corrupt Things Are...

Yep, Malaise...BRING IT ON!!!

We were gonna get here sooner or later...let's roll!! It's time to push this puppy and see how badly boooshie has corrupted the judicial system. To date, he's had a terrible track record in court cases where he goes up against the Constitution. If there was one thing that pissed people off about Nixon during Watergate it was his attempt to use Executive Privilidge...which confirmed our fears at the time that there was worse corruption going on than we knew. This will do the same trick to the few boooshie loyalists out there...and solidfy the prevailing public opinion of how corrupt this regime is.

We all know there's precious little "National Security" involved here...not when you're talking about firing Prosecutors or illegally tapping phones and email or torturing people. These are serious crimes that all but the most rabid kool-aid drinkers can defend.

The GOOP and boooshie jumped the shark with the Libby pardon...and in the process he's unmasked how partisan and selfish he and his horde are. For those who didn't realize how out of control this regime is...the lights are starting to turn on.

The good thing here is boooshie's all but handing Conyers new impeachment articles every day.

[malaise]

14. Yes we're reaching the big fight now

and I don't see how he can win this one.

[KharmaTrain]

20. Leave It To DUDoomers To Help You With That...

(btw...my term!!!)

Someone I'm sure will tell you how the fix is in...I read a post the other day that the boooshie defense was long prepared and that's why Fielding is running the cover-up (just like he did for Nixon, Raygun and Poppy booosh) and Roberts and Alito are the ultimate gatekeepers.

I'm hoping boooshie runs First District Court. He's already pissed several of the judges off with the Libby commutation...including Sentelle...who was Ken Starr's biggest fan...so he's not gonna get any favor from his friends. Also the more he breaks laws to protect his cronies, the more shit comes to light. Either way, he comes off as more crooked.

Also...this could be to our advantage in the future. By stonewalling, boooshie has prevented prosecutions from moving forward...stalling them, but not shutting them down. He can't commute or pardon what hasn't been prosecuted and it may be a blessing that this phase (including the evetually retro-Impeachement of both booooshie & cheney), once these goons are gone from the Beltway and unable to protect their enablers.

Cheers...

:toast:

[bdamomma]

41. will he hold his breath and turn blue, if he doesn't get his way??

spoiled brat.

[Javaman]

15. Just another round in the political game of "can you top this?" nt

[leftofthedial]

17. in a related story, the Congressional "democrats" called a press conference to say,

"Err. Well. Okay. Umm. Never mind."

[originalpckelly]

18. The President is not willing to hand it over, they ought to impeach him for it.

There is no constitutional basis for this whatsoever.

[TahitiNut]

19. Amusing. From a stance of denying any pResidential involvement in the decision ...

... or, indeed, even any direct involvement by the Attorney General, they now leap all the way to the "nuclear option" that the Supreme Court has clearly recognized only to the extent of confirming that it can be invoked when the oversight of the executive would impair that branch's national security concerns.

So, just exactly what is the "national security concern" regarding the firing of US Attorney's who acted to prosecute political corruption in the GOP???

It doesn't even pass the laugh test.

[librechik]

22. I think they were encouraged by the lawsuit over NSA getting tossed Friday

they think they got their judges all lined up properly to become a fill dictatorship.

[lpbk2713]

23. Cancelling the Nov 2008 elections due to *tairist threat* is just a few steps away.

At this point nothing out of the BushCo regime will surprise me any more. They are like rats backed up into a corner.

[robinlynne]

46. no need to. they can keep up the election farce while they do the vote counting...

[lpbk2713]

54. Any truth to the rumor ....

... that Katherine Harris is attending Charm School in preparation for Nov '08? :eyes: :rofl:

[ORDagnabbit]

24. remind me again where in the constitution it talks about executive privledge?

[Tesha]

28. It's the "separation of powers" stuff. (NT)

[lonestarnot]

25. HR 333

[mod mom]

27. HE WAS NEVER EVEN ELECTED SO HE DESERVES NO PRIVILEDGE AT ALL.

[lonestarnot]

52. Good point!

[lonestarnot]

29. He's afraid they are going to ask about Barney pissing on his leg.

[The Cleaner]

30. But I thought the WH had nothing to do with this...

:sarcasm:

So how can they claim exec privelege for something they had no part of to begin with?

[malaise]

32. Don't worry your beautiful mind

MSM is very busy since Miss New Jersey is being blackmailed and another white female has been found dead :sarcasm:

[progressoid]

34. Huh? What? The president scoffs at the law? I can't believe it.

[tbyg52]

36. White House rejects ‘tone’ of Dems’ inquiry - The Hill

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/white-house-rejects-tone-of-dems-inquiry-2007-07-09.html

The White House counsel prefaced his response with “a note of concern over your letter’s tone and apparent direction in dealing with a situation of this gravity.”

Did it hurt their widdle feelings.....?

[mikelgb]

38. Breaking on DU - Citizens revoke Consent of the Governed

of the Executive branch and Cheney.

Bring it on Folks. Discuss now.

[robinlynne]

47. damn straight!

[The Backlash Cometh]

44. Now we wait for the next shoe to drop.

The one that matters.

[malaise]

55. Snow job is on CSpan 1 now n/t

[Fleshdancer]

48. he's just begging for impeachment at this point

Seriously, how bad does it have to get?

[L. Coyote]

49. DU Archive May 28: EXIT RIGHT. Sara Taylor, WH political director, Rove Aide RESIGNS? "subpoenas ...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x990202

[sampsonblk]

51. Q: What makes him think he can do this?

A: Because our side has caved in so many times in the past, including on funding the occupation of Iraq. Wow, what a great strategy that turned out to be.

The next steps needs to be a step toward impeachment. Even if its only to start using the right terms: criminal, illegal, high crimes, etc. Its time to start moving in the right direction instead of waiting to see what Bush will do next.

[PVnRT]

53. Gee, gosh. I'm so shocked.

Wait, no I'm not. Is anyone actually surprised by this latest abuse of power? Or is everyone still busy slashing at each others' throats over Pelosi/Sheehan/Nader/whatever?

[loudsue]

56. I'm convinced bush has pictures of Pelosi and a horse going at it.

Either that, or they've already abducted one of her grandchildren, and are holding him/her to make sure impeachment stays off the table.

There's no other possible excuse for not prosecuting this criminal cabal that has taken over our government.

If Pelosi's the problem, she needs to step down.

:kick::kick::kick: