berni_mccoy
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Mon Jul-09-07 10:44 AM
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So Bush throws down the Gauntlet, Knowing the Supreme Court is stacked in his favor |
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Edited on Mon Jul-09-07 10:45 AM by berni_mccoy
The next step is for the Dems in Congress to either:
1. Back down (most likely). 2. Push the issue to the Supreme Court (knowing S.C. will likely rule in favor of Bush). 3. Impeach since Bush is invoking Exec. Priv. to cover up a crime.
Unfortunately, Bush has done much worse than invoke Exec. Priv. improperly to warrant Impeachment, but someone took that option off the table. Now the case for impeachment is weak because the articles will be restricted to the most current issues (Improper use of Exec. Priv to cover a crime, Libby clemency used as obstruction) since the older, more powerful reasons for impeachment have been given a pass by the current Congress.
I am glad Cindy Sheehan is challenging Pelosi on this issue. Congress made a bad move when they took Impeachment off the table, and we are about to see the full effects of that bad decision.
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Mon Jul-09-07 10:49 AM
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1. So It's Not Possible To Put It BACK On The Table? |
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Shouldn't this, and Libby, kind of make it a possibility that there's going to be too much of a groundswell for even the linguine-spined Democrats to ignore?
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Mon Jul-09-07 10:56 AM
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6. It's hard to put the real issues back on the table: |
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1. Lied us into War 2. Broken treaties (Geneva convention) 3. Violation of the Constitution (Gitmo, rendition) 4. Violation of FISA, a felony and MOST IMPORTANTLY: TREASON for purposely exposing an undercover CIA operative for political gain.
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Mon Jul-09-07 11:09 AM
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10. After Pelosi's promise that it was off the table, to bring it back would |
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give the republicans a shitload of ammo to hammer her with going back on her word, playing politics, making it a partisan issure, whaterver - and make HER the issue instead of the impeachment. It's her "no new taxes" pledge.
Taking it off the table was probably the most politically inept thing she has ever done. Bringing it back will make the impeachment issue the issue, rather than make the impeachment the issue.
That said, she needs to get her shit together on how to respond to the very predictable attacks and bring impeachment back.
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Mon Jul-09-07 10:50 AM
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2. It comes down to justice Kennedy, am I right? |
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He's been the swing vote on the SC lately.
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Mon Jul-09-07 10:51 AM
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3. Seems to me, that Roberts involvement with Iran-Contra and his previous |
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dealings with Fred Fielding as regards advising him during that other Republican scandal should make him ineligible to deliberate in this case should it come before the Supremes. He should recuse himself or explain why he shouldn't. Don't worry, not holding my breath on that one.
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Mon Jul-09-07 10:52 AM
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4. He has EVERY court stacked, not just SCOTUS |
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Even so, he's probably planning to just drag it out while proclaiming "political theatre!" every third sentence. I saw an AP headline on Friday that Bush "Bashes Democrats" over failure of the Immigration Bill. :eyes: Typical.
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Mon Jul-09-07 10:54 AM
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5. One thing we'll know for sure, REAL soon... |
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..is that if the Dems do take this to the SCOTUS and they decide to back ChuckleNuts we are well and truly fucked...
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Mon Jul-09-07 11:36 AM
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16. and * will smirk just like scooter did and get the SC to back him |
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..........sigh.
Constitutional Crisis is correct.
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AndyA
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Mon Jul-09-07 10:56 AM
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7. This is one of the reasons why impeachment is the best course for Congress |
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I don't know what it's going to take, but doing the right thing at this point for Congress means putting impeachment on the table as the main course.
It's really about the only good option they have left available to them, without having to depend on another corrupt branch of government to do their job properly/honestly/fairly.
And they will have the Republican votes by the time it gets down to voting. The Republicans will HAVE TO jump on the impeachment train if they hold out any hope of getting re-elected in 2008. To stand by an unpopular President, who started an unpopular war, and who is hiding things from Congress will not work, and they know it.
For God's sake, the man is at 26%. 3 out of 4 Americans do not approve of him. Who the hell is going to stand with him with those numbers?
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Mon Jul-09-07 11:04 AM
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8. You forget that people don't count. |
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They don't need no stankin polls.
They have huge money, corporations, the media, and stacked courts.
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Mon Jul-09-07 11:10 AM
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11. Impeachment is still the right thing to do. |
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At one point, Nixon thought he was going to make it through as well. Then the GOP turned on him. He was very popular at one point. It can happen again.
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Mon Jul-09-07 11:45 AM
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21. So let's say we impeach him and convict... |
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Who's gonna make him get out of the White House? I mean, what is congress gonna do, send him a very angry letter? :shrug:
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Mon Jul-09-07 12:49 PM
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24. Send some soldiers, preferably from Walter Reed....nt |
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Edited on Mon Jul-09-07 12:49 PM by EVDebs
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Mon Jul-09-07 11:06 AM
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9. Are you joining the ranks of those forgetting about the American People? |
berni_mccoy
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Mon Jul-09-07 11:13 AM
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12. Please explain. That makes no sense. The people WANT impeachment. |
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Mon Jul-09-07 11:20 AM
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So Supreme Court Smoke Stack will blow blue smoke for the Unitary Executive and the American people will revolt.
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berni_mccoy
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Mon Jul-09-07 11:29 AM
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14. Ah, yes, I missed that as an option. |
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Mon Jul-09-07 11:32 AM
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the camps are ready for us too.
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Mon Jul-09-07 11:41 AM
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Mon Jul-09-07 11:39 AM
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17. and then what * will call catastrophic emergency and call |
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Edited on Mon Jul-09-07 11:41 AM by alyce douglas
martial law, or can he think that far in advance. These thugs need to be slapped down hard, they just do not care.
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Mon Jul-09-07 11:41 AM
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19. And who will listen to him? 3 people? |
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Mon Jul-09-07 11:45 AM
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20. I say, call the Supreme Court's bluff. They don't want to vote to kill the Constitution. |
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They don't want to have to find the rationale to vote for a dictatorship.
I say, make the Supreme Court make it official, then attack them and the entire right wing agenda to stack the courts. Bring it out into the light, and let the voters see how they like it. Let the voters see for themselves how the blogosphere was right from the start about Bushco turning our country into a dictatorship.
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Mon Jul-09-07 11:58 AM
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22. yes, let's make the dictatorship official |
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That's what a pro-Bush decision will mean. Frankly, I think that might wake a few people up. But it is already too late, if that happens.
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Mon Jul-09-07 12:47 PM
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23. Anyone on DU have a copy of the SCOTUS in clown suits picture ? |
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Edited on Mon Jul-09-07 12:47 PM by EVDebs
Some wag posted one of those and I nearly died laughing. Time to bring it out again !
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