Bush's stubborn refusal to acknowledge reality is driving the Repubs to desert him...soon in droves

[Blackhatjack]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/08/AR2007070800923_pf.html

That 'reality creating business' just is not working any more for Repubs.

For Repubs it was so much fun to listen to Bush and his NeoCon pals talk about how they create new realities just by thinking them up. How they would install a permanent Repub majority and roll right over anyone who opposed them. Good times....Good times...

Well now things have gone straight down hill and are headed for the cliff. Repubs are starting to lose faith in Bush and pals 'thinking up a new reality.'

IMHO we will never get to September when it comes to Iraq. The military is onto Bush's plan to blame them for losing the war and dragging the inevitable out until the next President is elected so that Bush can hand the mess off to them.

Soon .... Repubs are not going to be content making speeches opposing Bush's 'surge' in Iraq from the floor of the House and Senate. Soon the 'old dogs' of the GOP are going to come together and explain to the rest that the only hope for the GOP is to turn against Bush in a big way and get on the right side of this Iraq war issue.

I do not see any hope for the GOP unless the join Dems in passing a bipartisan bill to pull the troops out of Iraq.

[AndyA]

1. A lot of them will also be in support of impeachment.

They eat their own in the GOP, don't you know... :eyes:

But this is why the Dems need to get the impeachment ball rolling right away. Republican support will be there when it's needed.

[BOSSHOG]

3. This time next year

limbaugh and the rest of the incompetent, poorly educated trash on right wing radio will be singing the praises of gop leadership for leading the impeachment moves and they will be condeming the war mongering democrats while praising the gop for seeking peace in our time.

[AndyA]

11. And you know what?

Their listeners will believe them! Every last lie that pours out of their mouths.

Suddenly, the war in Iraq will belong to the Dems. Well, they funded it, after all, voted for it...forget who lied to start it in the first place!

Yes indeed, the GOP with the help of their corporate serving media partners will spin this thing so fast it'll be whipped cream! And the Dems will let them get away with it, just like they always do. :(

[BOSSHOG]

2. Members of the gop

knew all along that bush didn't give a fuck about republicans, now they know he doesn't give a fuck about them. A bush legacy yet to come, minority status for the gop for 25+ years while he whiles away in Paraguay with the closest of his criminal element.

It will be interesting in four or six years to see a mob of republicans throwing rocks at the bush lie-brary.

[Hubert Flottz]

4. Too bad it took looking at the ruins of America to wake them up.

America is located at the head of shit creek thanks to the GOP!

[senseandsensibility]

5. This is by Novak

I suppose he knows what repugs are saying behind the scenes as well as anyone, but it makes my skin crawl to read his prose.

[autorank]

6. I like your take on this.

I was going to ask the source on the military knowledge of the blame game, but, of course they know.
I think that there's one chance for the GOP, declare Bush anathema. That's beyond what you suggest,
which is clearly forming right now. They'll still be stuck with in in 2008. They have to get him

out, which means stealing the march on impeachment. They will never support it as a party in the House
or Senate but if a couple of them stand up and initiate the process, it will reflect well on the
party, wrongfully so, but give them cover.

With a bipartisan bill, they'd admit defeat. If they leap frog that and have a Republican or two
introduce impeachment, they will steal the march so to speak. Even with that they're screwed, just not
demolished.

I'm very disappointed in our leadership. Congressional Democratic public approval is down to 29-30%
from a high above 60% after the election. That's 30 plus points. What a record of failed leadership
and failed initiative from the ranks.

I agree with you and generalize it to our party. If Democrats don't rally behind such an initiative,
regardless of what the Republicans do, we're in big trouble too. It will be 3rd party time in a big
way which is not a good thing.

[Blackhatjack]

8. You raise an excellent point ....

Democratic strategists are all over what a third party Michael Bloomberg Presidential campaign would do to split established voting blocks.

I believe that the possibility of a Bloomberg run has Dems thinking twice about embracing impeachment by the House which fails to result in removal in the Senate.

Even with polling numbers rising in favor of impeaching Bush(45%) and Cheney(56%), it is still a reality that the middle 20% of voters(independents/undecideds and unaffiliated voters) will decide the 2008 election.

Without Bloomberg, whoever wins the Dem Nomination will likely be our next president.

IF Bloomberg enters the race as a third party candidate, spending a billion dollars, this could be another close general election race.

[autorank]

10. How about this?

Those numbers are there without any advocacy, none, from the Democrats. Where would that middle 20%
be if they heard the case? I don't think that the Democratic leadership can avoid that question, but
they must since they're dead set against impeachment. Once you ask it, it's obvious. There would be
an increase in support.

By using the excuse that the public isn't there, they totally ignore the process of advocacy.

There is no need for a drawn out impeachment hearing process. Maybe a 2-3 week
review of the NSA spying program. Both sides agree what was done, both say their side represents what's
legal. Bush's side is engaged in activity that even John Ashcroft wouldn't support. Ergo, we win, the
argument that is. Maybe lose impeachment but who will make a phone call without wondering about
getting caught in a trap that's total bullshit.

The implication of failing to endorse impeachment if you're a leader is very ominous. It implies that
you think that the * crimes will never be revealed and that, therefore, you as a representative can
get away with endorsing the monstrous crimes of * and company. Now that's scary.

On edit: Here's the nightmare scenario. Bloomberg declares and he advocates impeachment. Hope
somebody thinks that one through because the results are very ugly.

[Blackhatjack]

12. Strange as it seems, this could come to pass...

Several Repubs could bond together, deliver the message to the White House that Cheney has to resign immediately and Bush has to announce he supports the Iraq Study Group plan to deploy our troops out of Iraq by April 2008 --leaving behind a sizable contingent. Bush then replaces Cheney with Fred Thompson.

Repubs would fight impeachment on the other issues tooth and nail until Bush's term ends, and the fight over docs and testimony would be tied up in the courts until then.

Repubs then take credit for 'fixing' the Cheney problem, and changing Bush's policy on the war.

With the MSM's help, Repubs would project the image that they look like they actually did something while the Dems sat around and failed to act.

Reid and Pelosi need to ratchet up the pressure on Iraq before the summer recess.

[guitar man]

7. good

and I hope they hurry the hell up. They'll leave junior* in the same fix Nixon was in if enough of them jump ship....

[gratuitous]

9. Nah, this is just Novak, muttering in his cups

Probably dictated around 2 a.m. Sunday morning in preparation for a hangover that would kill less-seasoned individuals, Novak is saying what he thinks would "save" the Republicans: A wholesale sell-out of the most vengeful, vindictive, incompetent group of thugs to seize power in a country since, well, maybe ever.

Novak's fantasy world is one where "principled" Republicans let the scales fall from their eyes and they begin standing up to Chimpy, leading the timid Democrats across the Great Divide, or the Rubicon, or the Hellespont, and making America great again, all before the 2008 elections. It's heavily reliant on magical and outright delusional thinking, and very short on consideration of the GOP track record of the last 50-75 years.

Pay no attention to it.