Fly an Impeach Cheney Banner Over All Star Game on Tuesday!

[garybeck]

Fly an Impeach Cheney Banner Over All Star Game on Tuesday!
http://afterdowningstreet.org/node/24477

We can do this if we raise the $ today. The pilot is ready to fly. If we all chip in a bit of $ here, it will happen. This idea originated in the Nationwide Movement to Impeach Cheney and Bush facebook group.

[LiberalFighter]

1. Isn't a major venue like that have the air space restricted?

[NewJeffCT]

3. most likely

especially that close to the stadium that it would make it onto TV.

[garybeck]

4. ask David

he's pretty excessible by email. I think they've probably covered the bases ;)

[karlrschneider]

14. Can't be done. See post # 13

sorry

[Kingshakabobo]

6. I live near Wrigley Field in Chicago. Those planes fly over all the time. n/t

[LiberalFighter]

7. I think All-Star or World Series would be a major venue not regular game

[EFerrari]

2. Or, one of these. They aren't all that expensive!

[ellenfl]

5. the msm prolly won't show it.

if you can fly the airspace, i will contribute. maybe keith will show it. also, perhaps someone from du who will be at the game can get a vid of it for youtube.

ellen fl

[fooj]

8. I'll be at the game. I'll see what I can do.

I DO know that they are sweeping the bay (McCovey Cove) and they are being UBER NUTS re: security. I'll bring my digital and see if I can get a picture.

[TomInTib]

10. I just knew you would be going.

I'm going to contribute so, just in case they are able to pull it off, you will know Cousin Tom was partly behind it.

I will watch for you on the teevee.

[fooj]

11. Down the third baseline, baby!!!

Hiya cousin! :hi:

[rsmith6621]

9. The Homeland Sec Adm Is Placing a TFR around that.....

............venue.......so if you do decide to do that you will be visited by a F-16 and escorted to the nearest airport....searched...question....and severely fined and no pardon will be offered...If you decide not to comply with the F-16 escort you will be subject to being shot down....

TFR mean Temporary Flight Restriction......I work in aviation and am very familiar with this policy..I have to apply it daily to my job.



To the mod who deleted my earlier post to this thread why don't you PM me and tell me why?????

[Kingshakabobo]

12. Is there a NOTAM out for that? n/t

[karlrschneider]

13. Yep. TFR

Text of TFR:
!FDC 7/6808 ZOA.. TFR, SAN FRANCISCO, CA JULY 9,2007

NATIONAL SECURITY pursuant to Title 14 CFR 99.7


WEF

0707092300-0707100400 UTC (07/09 1600-2100 LCL)

SFC-3,000 AGL

Aircraft flight operations prohibited within 3 NMR;
374642N/1222322W OR THE SAU109007.8

EXCEPT AS SPECIFIED BELOW AND/OR UNLESS AUTHORIZED
BY THE AIR TRAFFIC SECURITY COORDINATOR VIA THE
DOMESTIC EVENTS NETWORK (DEN):
A. ALL A
IRCRAFT OPERATIONS WITHIN A 3 NMR AREA
LISTED ABOVE ARE PROHIBITED EXCEPT FOR:
1. APPROVED LAW ENFORCEMENT, MILITARY AIRCRAFT,
EMERGENCY MEDICAL FLIGHTS IN DIRECT CONTACT WITH
ATC AND ARE SQUAWKING AN ASSIGNED DISCRETE BEACON
CODE.
2. COMMERCIAL PASSENGER, PRIVATE CHARTER
AND
ALL-CARGO CARRIERS OPERATING UNDER ONE OF THE
FOLLOWING TSA-APPROVED STANDARD SECURITY
PROGRAMS/PROCEDURES: AIRCRAFT OPERATOR STANDARD
SECURITY PROGRAM (AOSSP), DOMESTIC SECURITY
INTEGRATION PROGRAM (DSIP), TWELVE FIVE STANDARD
SECUIRTY PROGRAM (TFSSP), PRIVAT
E CHARTER STANDARD
SECURITY PROGRAM (PCSSP), ALL-CARGO INTERNATIONAL
SECURITY PROCEDURE (ACISP), OR MODEL SECUIRTY
PROGRAM (MSP) AND ARE ARRIVING INTO AND/OR
DEPARTING FROM 49 CFR PART 1542.
B. AIRCRAFT OPERATORS WHO HAVE PREVIOUSLY RECEIVED
WAIVERS UNDER NOTAM 3/1862 MUST
REAPPLY. ALL
WAIVER APPLICATIONS ARE SUBJECT TO THE PROVISIONS
IDENTIFIED IN SECTION 521 OF PUBLIC LAW 108-199.
APPLICATIONS CAN BE OBTAINED FROM THE FAA WEBSITE
AT HTTP://WAIVER.TFR.FAA.GOV
C. FAA RECOMMENDS THAT ALL AIRCRAFT OPERATORS
CHECK NOTAMS FREQUENTLY FOR POSSIBLE CHANGES TO

THIS TFR PRIOR TO OPERATIONS WITHIN THIS REGION.

SYSTEM OPERATIONS SUPPORT CENTER, PHONE [phone] IS THE POINT OF CONTACT.
THE FEDERAL AVIATION ADMINISTRATION /FAA/ SOSC PHONE [phone] IS THE COORDINATION FACILITY.

******CAUTION: This TFR Overlay Display System (TODS) is updated Monda
y thru Friday 1100-2330 UTC and Saturday thru Sunday 1230-2030 UTC. CONFIRM DATA CURRENCY THROUGH ALTERNATE SOURCES AT OTHER TIMES. For interpretation of this TFR contact your local FSS.******

[Kingshakabobo]

15. How does that affect a banner plane?? Thanks! n/t

[karlrschneider]

16. Same way it affects everyone else except those specifically exempted.

(military, law enforcement & sked airlines)
edit: -theoretically- one can request a waiver but it wouldn't be likely to be given, especially at the last minute.
I haven't needed one for years but I suspect it's not very easy these days.

[Kingshakabobo]

17. The TFR mentions "Private Charter." Wouldn't/couldn't this be classified as a charter?

I know you are an experienced commercial pilot.....that's why I'm asking...:)

I'm wondering why this guy is collecting dough if they can't do it.

Thanks again (I should have phrased my previous question better)

[karlrschneider]

18. Probably not. Charters are handled under FAR Part 135 unless there are

exceptions I never heard of. Banner towing would fall under 91 I'm pretty sure. But it's conceivable he actually has
a waiver...or plans to stay outside the boundaries (which would kinda defeat the purpose) I sort of wonder why he needs to be paid anyway...it costs about fifty bucks to fly a 172 around for an hour...but I don't know what his game plan is.

edit: By the way, if you can't access DUATS, this site is pretty good at keeping up with current flight condx:
http://www.runwayfinder.com/

[Kingshakabobo]

19. Thanks! I assumed/hope they called a service and got a quote and a slot?? Hence the fee.

Thanks for that link.

[karlrschneider]

21. There's no fee (for the waiver) and it can only be gotten from the FAA.

As I said, I haven't needed to get one for years so I'm not up on how well it works (or doesn't) these days. Maybe I can find out, I know a few news pilots who probably keep up with it...

edit: my buddy over at KOTV had a little info - he said to start at this link but you might not be able to access the
actual application page without pilot credentials...not sure

https://waiver.tfr.faa.gov/ewaivers/external/welcome.jsp

[Kingshakabobo]

22. No, I meant an Aerial Banner company. I have a private license. I'll see if it works...lol n/t

[karlrschneider]

23. OHH....sorry I got it wrong. Sure, you're right...a commercial banner towing company

would know all about how to do that. Duh. :P

[Xenotime]

20. Why not fly one for * too?