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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 04:20 PM
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Nothing's been accomplished under Pelosi leadership?
What about this?

http://majorityleader.house.gov/docUploads/HouseDemocratsAccomplishments.pdf

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, I'm still waiting for someone to explain how she's a corporatist.
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 04:24 PM
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1. "corporatist" is a term that gets thrown around here very loosely, amongst other things.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 04:27 PM
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6. Sounds like a FLOOR WAX -- as in "NEW!!! Johnson and Johnson Corpora-tist"
EOM
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 04:30 PM
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12. That's what I thought, which is why I ask for specifics each time
and often don't get them. "Corporatist" = "someone I disagree with" it seems.
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 04:35 PM
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19. I agree with you 100% on that. NT
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 04:25 PM
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2. hmm, the link wouldn't open for me....
Could you give a brief summary? If it's the 100 hours agenda, I don't think ANY of those bills have ever gone anywhere since. Investigations? None of those have yet resulted in ANY changes. But in fairness I couldn't open your link so I'm just speculating.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 04:36 PM
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20. Gimme some time. I'm at work. But it's a three month review
not 100 hours.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 05:07 PM
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33. Here you go.
Prepared by the Office of Majority Leader Steny H. Hoyer, 5/8/07
After Four Months, House Democrats Have a Strong Record of Passing Legislation That Matters to the American People

President Bush Only Has Veto Threats, While Republicans Obstruct the People’s Business

In only four months, House Democrats have passed over 30 bills, most of which enjoyed broad, bipartisan support.

Making America Safer
• House Democrats passed several pieces of legislation that will make our nation safer: implementing the recommendations of the 9/11 Commission, scrutinizing foreign investment in key infrastructure, and increasing planning and funding to protect mass transit systems.

• House Democrats are ensuring that our nation’s veterans have the best health care possible through increased funding for military and veterans health care, and the Wounded Warrior Assistance Act, which responded to the Walter Reed scandal.

Growing Our Economy
• House Democrats passed the first increase in the minimum wage in almost a decade by a bipartisan vote of 315-116.

• House Democrats have made the Innovation Agenda a priority, passing five bills that will ensure that the U.S. remains competitive in the 21st century global economy.

• House Democrats are actively working to combat record gas prices by holding seven hearings between now and Memorial Day on this pressing issue.

• House Democrats are crafting an Independence Day Energy Package.

Caring for Our Children and Family
• House Democrats are working to increase access to education for all ages, from expanding the Head Start program to cutting interest rates on student loans for college.

• House Democrats passed legislation to ensure affordable health care by negotiating drug prices for Medicare recipients, and to increase potential life-saving embryonic stem cell research.

• House Democrats protected the rights of middle-class workers by passing the Employee Free Choice Act.

• House Democrats are helping recovery efforts in the Gulf Coast with two bills that will speed up the rebuilding of homes.

Preserving Our Planet
• House Democrats are increasing investment in renewable fuels by repealing subsidies given to Big Oil and instead investing those funds into alternative energy sources, and through increased investment in getting biofuels quickly and affordably to consumers.

• House Democrats have created a Select Committee on Energy Independence and Global Warming, and various committees have already held more than two dozen hearings on climate change.

Restoring Accountability
• House Democrats are cleaning up the way business is done in Washington, enacting ethics reform as our first order of business, denying pensions to Members convicted of certain federal offenses, and strengthening oversight of the Page program.

• House Democrats passed five bills that will make government more accountable and transparent to Americans, including Whistleblower Protections and limits on no-bid contracts.

Instead of Working With Congress President Bush Offers Veto Threats

While the Democratic-led House is listening to the American people and passing their priorities, the President is ignoring the will of the people by threatening to veto popular measures that passed the House with bipartisan support. The President’s veto threats are slowing down progress in the Senate and preventing important legislation from becoming law and improving the lives of Americans.

The President has threatened to veto:
• Stem Cell Research. Passed the House by a bipartisan vote of 253-174; supported by 70 percent of the American public.
• Clean Water Bill. Passed the House by a bipartisan vote of 303-108.
• Rail and Mass Transit Security. Passed the House by a bipartisan vote of 299-124.
• Whistleblower Protection. Passed the House by a bipartisan vote of 331-94.
• Hate Crimes Prevention. Passed the House by a bipartisan vote of 237-180.
• Free Choice for Employees. Passed the House by a bipartisan vote of 241-185.
• D.C. Voting Rights. Passed the House by a bipartisan vote of 241-177.
• Medicare Drug Price Negotiation. Passed the House by a bipartisan vote of 255-175; supported by 92 percent of the American public.

House Democrats Are Passing Legislation, Conducting Necessary Oversight

House Democrats have a strong record of accomplishment in just four months in office, increasing the number of bills passed, laws enacted, time in session, and number of oversight hearings. It is ironic that most criticism of House Democrats’ accomplishments comes from the ‘Do-Nothing’ Republicans, who at this point in the last Congress had only achieved a fraction of what Democrats have.

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I left off the table, as it didn't translate very well to text. But this was the pdf document I linked to.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 09:26 PM
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46. how many of those have actually resulted in real change?
Most are stalled in the senate and going nowhere if I'm not mistaken. You must admit that the view that Pelosi has at least partly squandered the first six months of the democratic majority by focusing on a domestic agenda that has gone nowhere since, rather than upon addressing the war, impeachment, etc-- legislation that would have immediate and positive impact-- is a legitimate complaint. Those various domestic policy items would still be there, and clearly there was not much urgency to address them first since most have languished since.
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 06:32 PM
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45. That's because the Republicans are holding them up in the Senate
They passed the house in the first 100 hours.

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ORDagnabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 04:26 PM
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3. just do a little digging....
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jonathan-tasini/nancy-pelosi-stop-drinki_b_32293.html


her donors included such GOP-friendly groups as the American Bankers Assoc, the American Hospital Assoc, Credit Suisse, the Financial Services Roundtable, the Mortgage Bankers Assoc, Honeywell Corp, Accenture, Genworth, Lockheed Martin and even the Nat'l Beer Wholesalers."
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 04:29 PM
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9. But how do those donors translate to actions on her part?
What influence have they had? Can you point to something specific? Otherwise it's just guilt by association.
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ORDagnabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 04:32 PM
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14. doesnt seem like she has stopped the war, has any intention of stopping bushco or
stopping the graft and corruption in washington.

words are cheap and too many naive people believe them over and over again. Action speaks louder than words.
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GreenTea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 04:27 PM
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4. Read this and weep Pelosi haters!!!
Edited on Mon Jul-09-07 04:27 PM by GreenTea
In February, only a month after becoming speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi settled weeks of threats from Rep. John D. Dingell, her blustery Energy and Commerce Committee chairman, by putting in writing her assent to one of his big demands -- Pelosi's new Select Committee on Energy Independence and Global Warming would not infringe on his power to write legislation as he saw fit.

Four months later, Dingell (D-Mich.) appeared in the speaker's conference room to walk through a bill that would override California's attempts to combat global warming by raising fuel efficiency standards, strip the Environmental Protection Agency of its authority to regulate greenhouse gases and promote a controversial effort to turn coal into liquid fuel.

This time, Pelosi was in no mood to mollify Dingell. The bill he was sponsoring, she said, was unacceptable. The environmental costs would be too severe, the political costs for the Democratic caucus too high, she said.

The two episodes with Dingell illustrate Pelosi's evolution from a somewhat tentative political figure reliant on a small circle of advisers to the undisputed leader of the House's fractious Democratic majority.

"Nancy now represents the majority of this caucus, overwhelmingly," said Barney Frank (Mass.), chairman of the House Financial Services Committee.

But if Pelosi has succeeded in uniting her party during her initial months as speaker, she and the rest of the leadership have yet to convince the nation that the Democrats can govern.

Pelosi, of California, has succeeded in getting all of her opening agenda through the House. But few of the initiatives have made it to the president, and only one has become law: an increase in the minimum wage.

The obstacle has been the Senate, where Democrats hold only a one-seat advantage. But that failure has colored all of Congress, including Pelosi and the House Democratic leadership.

The new Democratic Congress took office in January with a 43 percent approval rating. Since then, its rating has sunk to about the same low levels as President Bush's, a bit below 30 percent. And Pelosi's own approval ratings have slipped, from 48 percent in a March poll by the Pew Research Center for the People and the Press to 36 percent last month in a Los Angeles Times/Bloomberg poll. Over the same time frame, her disapproval ratings climbed from 22 percent to 39 percent.

As the first speaker since Newt Gingrich (R-Ga.) to have to manage a new majority after a switch in party rule, Pelosi came in with an ambitious 100-hour agenda and some challenges that would quickly strain the Democratic caucus: finishing all of the government's domestic budget plans left undone by the Republicans, enacting an ethics program unpopular with many lawmakers and, most important, funding a war most Democrats oppose.

Pelosi faced an inherent conflict -- unite a Democratic majority or fulfill her promises to run a more transparent and bipartisan House. In her first six months, she has chosen the former, not without a price.

Combative Republicans repeatedly tried to use her initial openness against her. They tried to force a vote to end the District's gun ban as a price for giving the city a vote in the House and attempted to make Democrats vote on a GOP resolution declaring that the House would always fund the troops in Iraq, at a time when many liberals wanted to end funding. In both instances, Pelosi pulled the proposals before they were voted on, violating her pledges of bipartisanship but keeping Democratic unity intact.

Now Democratic leaders worry that they must get some of the domestic agenda passed soon, to show voters they can govern, even as they are still dogged by a creative Republican resistance that has bedeviled Pelosi and her party.

* * *

After the 2006 elections swept the Republicans from power, Pelosi stood as a historic figure, the highest-ranking elected woman in the nation's history. But she had no obvious models on which to build her speakership.

The last time a Democrat took the gavel from a Republican speaker was 1955, when Sam Rayburn (Tex.) resumed a speakership he had relinquished only two years before. The most recent Democratic speakers -- Thomas P. "Tip" O'Neill (Mass.), Jim Wright (Tex.) and Thomas S. Foley (Wash.) -- reigned over a Democratic caucus that had grown complacent after decades in power. Those speakers passively allowed their powerful committee chairmen to set the legislative agenda.

Pelosi's situation made her most like Gingrich, another politically minded insurgent who assumed control after years in the minority. Like Gingrich, she rose not through the committee structure but by playing in the rougher world of politics.

Pelosi wanted to maintain the Republicans' much more centralized power structure but recognized that old bulls such as Dingell, David R. Obey (D-Wis.) and John Conyers Jr. (D-Mich.), who had served as committee chairmen before the GOP swept to power, would have to be respected.

"There is a necessity for a unity of voice and purpose in the Democratic Party . . . and the only way you're going to do that was to have a central management to create consensus, not simply individual, discrete committee agendas," said House Majority Leader Steny H. Hoyer (Md.).

But as the face of that central power, Pelosi, who declined an interview request for this article, lacked Gingrich's flair for public appearances and off-the-cuff prognostication. Her sex made her extraordinary, but it was also something of a liability, leading her to be constantly underestimated, said Steve Elmendorf, who was chief of staff to Richard A. Gephardt (Mo.) when he was House minority leader.

"We would have these private meetings when she was leader where she was decisive, focused, even dismissive of people at times," Frank said. "I'd say to her, I'd beg her, 'Please, Nancy, be this person in public.' "

But to some Democrats, her biggest liability was the tight circle of confidants -- tough-minded fellow Bay Area liberals such as Reps. George Miller, Anna G. Eshoo and Zoe Lofgren; tart-tongued Reps. Edward J. Markey (Mass.) and Rosa DeLauro (Conn.); and gruff Rep. John P. Murtha (Pa.) -- that allies worried would insulate her from public opinion and the rest of the caucus.

Even before she received the gavel, those fears appeared to be confirmed when she disastrously backed Murtha's challenge to Hoyer for majority leader. She saw the Iraq war as the defining issue of the time and extolled Murtha as the man to end it, but he was trounced.

"That was a defining moment for her," said Rep. C.A. "Dutch" Ruppersberger (D-Md.), whose political roots are entangled with Pelosi's in Baltimore, where she grew up. "It made her stronger, because she understood then that she really had to widen her circle."

* * *

Once she assumed the speakership, Pelosi took on a frenetic schedule. She met with Democratic leaders formally three times a week but often informally two to three times daily, and held sessions with chairmen, freshmen and other lawmakers.

There is a downside to the pace. She tends to micromanage, frustrating staff members with her unwillingness to delegate tasks, and she jealously guards her schedule.

Still, an instinct for compromise and consultation got Pelosi through a series of initial tests that could have blown up publicly but instead passed quietly. After Murtha's defeat in November, his close ally Rep. James P. Moran Jr. (D-Va.) said lawmakers who had promised their votes to Murtha but delivered them to Hoyer were not to be trusted and should be unmasked. Brendan Daly, Pelosi's communications director, got wind that Moran would be on PBS's "NewsHour" and quickly called Moran's staff to command that he not go on the show and that he stop the threats.

Just weeks later, Pelosi pushed aside Jane Harman (Calif.), the highest-ranking Democrat on the intelligence committee, then skipped over Alcee L. Hastings (Fla.), an African American and an impeached federal judge who was next in line, to name Sylvestre Reyes (Tex.) as chairman of the powerful Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence. The move was expected to cause an uproar, not only with the Congressional Black Caucus but also with the "Blue Dog" Democrats -- conservative and moderate lawmakers who backed Harman. It did not, however, because she has provided other key assignments to assuage those left out.

The next challenge came as House Democratic leaders tried to force a turn in the Iraq war through a spending bill, only to have Pelosi sideswiped by the man she had entrusted to end the war -- Murtha.

Senior Democrats had been huddling with different factions of the caucus, trying to reach a strong consensus before going public with a bill. Without telling Pelosi, Murtha laid out the bill's strategy on a liberal Web site, MoveCongress.org. The legislation called for such stringent readiness standards for deploying combat forces that the president's planned troop increase would be strangled by red tape.

Pelosi learned of Murtha's remarks from reporters. At that point, authority over the war-funding bill very publicly shifted to the House Appropriations Committee and Obey, its chairman, who was conspicuously not a member of her inner circle.

"Murtha said, 'I had my plans.' He couldn't get them done, so Obey took over," said a senior House Democratic leadership aide, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because he was not cleared to discuss internal deliberations.

By the time Pelosi met with the chairmen last month to finalize the House's energy bill, her grasp on the levers of power was nearly complete. It was at this meeting that she shut down Dingell's proposals as harmful to the environment, and thus to her caucus. According to participants, she virtually manhandled Dingell, the House's longest-serving member and, at age 81, still an imposing figure.

Dingell grew angry, but he directed his rage not at Pelosi but at Caucus Chairman Rahm Emanuel (Ill.), who had tried to cool him down. If Emanuel wanted to get involved in energy policy, he should try to get on the committee, Dingell snapped.

Emanuel was happy to take the heat.

"I was never part of and still am not part of that Miller/Eshoo/Lofgren/Murtha circle," Emanuel said, "and I would consider myself a true Pelosi loyalist."

To be sure, the inner circle remains powerful, particularly Miller. His longtime chief of staff, John Lawrence, is now Pelosi's chief of staff. Another veteran Miller aide, Dan Beard, is the House's new chief administrative officer, responsible for everything from broken BlackBerrys to the Capitol's decrepit power plant.

But even Pelosi's closest confidants say their influence has been diluted by the demands of the speakership. Eshoo grew wistful as she spoke recently of her "pal" Pelosi.

"I went to a conference during Memorial Day," she recalled. "And I told George Miller, 'You know, I miss Nancy.' "

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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 04:27 PM
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5. Don't bother.
It's Tantrum Day here on DU.

Again.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 04:28 PM
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8. I thought every day was Tantrum day lately n/t
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 04:29 PM
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11. Live Earth Day was very nice though.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 04:30 PM
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13. And it's not even Sunday
*sigh*
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 04:28 PM
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7. I've found that the hyperbolic arguments like "they've done nothing"...
...are often not really thrown out there to convince anyone that the argument is right, but to try to convince you that the person making the argument is so crazy that you better just do whatever they say, otherwise you are in for something insane (like voting for Nader).
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ORDagnabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 04:29 PM
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10. new boss same as the old boss... the system is broken...
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 04:35 PM
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17. I'm not going to accept Fox News as a source,
Thanks anyway.
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ORDagnabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 04:40 PM
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25. fair enough I hate them too but look who wrote the article....
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 04:49 PM
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28. yes DICK MORRIS -- fanatical rabid and noncredible Clinton hater -- citing NEWSMAX!!! EOM
Edited on Mon Jul-09-07 04:50 PM by emulatorloo
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ORDagnabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 04:52 PM
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29. Can anyone dispute the story?
4 weeks after becoming speaker her son is hired at a 180,000 dollar a year job that he knows nothing about?

anyone?
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 04:56 PM
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30. Right Wing Lie Machine NEWSMAX has a track record of being wrong. The burden of proof is on them
Edited on Mon Jul-09-07 04:58 PM by emulatorloo
They are just another part of the right wing lie machine -- and anything they print is suspect

--

Some examples:

http://mediamatters.org/issues_topics/search_results?qstring=Newsmax

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ORDagnabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 04:58 PM
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31. okay but every news story I find confirms the original story.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 05:06 PM
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32. I googled Paul Pelosi Jr - and all the references to this I see are RIGHT WING BLOGS
Edited on Mon Jul-09-07 05:07 PM by emulatorloo
Which is pretty much how the RIGHT WING NOISE MACHINE works -- print something, spread it, repeat it until it seems credible.
Powerline etc just repeating what was reported on Newsmax.

I have no clue what Paul Pelosi Jr relationship to infoUSA is. I don't see a CREDIBLE source there to tell me about it. Just Right Wing sources.

From more "rational" sources that turned up in google it seems like he is knowledgeable re environmental issues and has done his part and paid his dues there.

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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 04:39 PM
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24. DICK MORRIS and FOX NEWS?????? -- you have to be kidding eom
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 04:33 PM
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15. Here you go. And, this gives me no satisfaction, none at all.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 05:40 PM
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39. Thank you. I am printing it out and will read it
Thanks for taking the time.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 05:43 PM
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41. Imho, it's all about how campaigns are funded.
Edited on Mon Jul-09-07 05:43 PM by sfexpat2000
If we think it all the way thru, what ELSE can any of these folks do?

:(
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 05:45 PM
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42. And without the funds who else will get elected
I know it's not perfect.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 05:46 PM
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43. We need public funding for elections.
But I have no clue how to make that happen. :(
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 04:34 PM
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16. I don't phrase it that way.
I wouldn't say "nothing" has been accomplished.

I would say that the core agenda has not been accomplished.

The 1st item on the core agenda: oppose the bush administration. The first lines of opposition in the sand: hold the administration accountable for criminal action and get the U.S. out of Iraq.

Let's see: take impeachment off the table and fund the war. No, didn't accomplish the core agenda.
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 04:35 PM
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18. Many of the Pelosiphobes are looking to vent
After six years, they are running entirely on nerves and frustration. Most make no effort to try to figure out what she's doing, and whether they do or not, they don't even usually write to her.

I wrote to her, politely, and asked her to reconsider impeachment due to the increasing sevelity of the President's infractions and impulsiveness of his behavior. I got a brief note in return. And that's fine. Somebody in that office read what I wrote, and it counted.

But just to rant and rave here TRAITOR! WHORE! DLC! CORPORATIST! is either useless or, at best, a way to let off steam. I can understand it.

Pelosi, likewise, is no fool. She has to have nerves of steel at times like these.

I just hope that when the ranting DUers compose themselves again, they compose their own notes to the Speaker, without the ranting. Impeachment was off the table once. It is still not at the top of the agenda. But I don't think we have to fear that it will stay off indefinitely.

--p!
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ORDagnabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 04:37 PM
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21. lockheed and Pelosi and the other warmongers....the military industrial complex loves them..
Nancy Pelosi, Hillary Clinton, and Joe Lieberman each received $10,000 in campaign contributions from neocon-linked weapons maker Lockheed-Martin's Political Action Committee during the 2006 election cycle. Could this be one reason Pelosi and Hillary refuse to stand firmly for peace while Lieberman blatantly calls for even wider war?


http://pittsburgh.indymedia.org/news/2007/06/27635.php

One Democrat you won't find on the list is Ohio Representative and pro-peace candidate for President Dennis Kucinich. Kucinich, a non-corporatist Democrat, refuses to accept contributions from corporate PACs.


http://pittsburgh.indymedia.org/news/2007/06/27635.php
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davidwparker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 04:37 PM
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22. Your list didn't include supporting H.R. 333. That's the issue, LittleClarkie.
Impeachment.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 05:37 PM
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37. The issue I am addressing is whether or not she's done "nothing"
as some say.

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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 04:37 PM
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23. Don't bother asking the "concerned" posters why she's a 'corporatist'
Edited on Mon Jul-09-07 04:38 PM by brentspeak
Their brains might freeze up.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 04:41 PM
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26. Really? Then I hope you are concerned enough to contact
the University of California, Berkeley and Phi Beta Kappa to prevent such a terrible disaster.

Please save me from myself. :sarcasm:
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ORDagnabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 04:41 PM
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27. er...just left 3 really good posts on why she is.... read them and follow the links.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 05:10 PM
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34. It's Like Trying To Argue Against Extreme Fundies Who Don't Believe In Evolution.
Facts just simply don't matter to them. It's easier to be an ignorant zealot instead.
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DancingBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 05:27 PM
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35. "Ignorant zealot"
"Fuck Nader" avatar.

Do the math.

Christ, it's like shooting fish... :rofl:
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 05:38 PM
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38. Yes, Ignorant Zealot.
Maybe you need assistance with the definition?

You might, since it appears you are trying to equate a 'fuck nader' avatar with such a concept, which would be an obvious sign of gross misunderstanding of what the concept would mean.

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DancingBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 05:43 PM
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40. You crack me up
You truly do.

It's why I don't put you on "Ignore."

You're Dan Quayle on a donkey.

Beautiful.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 06:01 PM
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44. Am I Hurting Your Back? n/t
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 05:28 PM
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36. I won't even go there.
:rofl:
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