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FourScore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 11:53 PM
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House speaker faces 'impeach' chants at ribbon-cutting
House speaker faces 'impeach' chants at ribbon-cutting
By SCOTT LINDLAW

It should have been a festive occasion for House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, but the ribbon-cutting of a new federal building turned into a skirmish with anti-war protesters.

About a dozen people chanted "Impeach now!" as Pelosi spoke at the dedication of the $144 million, 18-story landmark office complex, which boasts cutting-edge energy efficiency features. The demonstrators also unfurled a large "impeach" banner that directly faced Pelosi and other speakers.

As Pelosi and other dignitaries prepared to snip the ceremonial ribbon, a heckler shouted: "How about cutting the funding for war?..."

http://www.fresnobee.com/384/story/81421.html
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Rick Myers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-09-07 11:55 PM
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1. Amen!!!
Impeach CHENEY and BUSH!!!

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FourScore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 01:19 AM
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2. I wish I could have been there to chant with them! n/t
Edited on Tue Jul-10-07 01:19 AM by whereismyparty
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 01:22 AM
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3. Beautiful to see democracy in action!
Impeach Bush and Cheney and, no pardons for any of the war criminals.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 05:22 AM
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4. Can you hear them now, Ms. Pelosi? There's more where that came from! nt
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 06:44 AM
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5. K & R, she and the rest of them should have to face this at every appearance
and speech until they do what they were elected to do.

We are the "deciders".
:kick:

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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 12:17 PM
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9. Well said!!!
She shouldn't be able to go anywhere without hearing that chant!
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 06:46 AM
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6. That's friggin awesome!
:rofl:

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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 12:13 PM
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7. K&R. This kind of pressure is required for action. Bravo!
I still don't think a failed attempt at impeachment is a step forward, but we have to keep the pressure on them to de-fund, and if that means continuing to use the I word, then maybe we'll get a compromise action.

Those dozen people spoke for us all. Bravo!
:hi:
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knight_of_the_star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 12:16 PM
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8. Why protest her
When its the conservative Dems and the GOP that will be the ones who will make common cause to block it? Why are they not protesting the GOP Senators who would vote not to convict and remove? Those are the ones who will take the bite out of any impeachment, NOT the Speaker of the House.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 12:18 PM
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10. I'm sick of the impeachment apologists!
The outcome is NOT the issue here! It's a matter of doing the right thing. Impeachment is the right thing to do. Period.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 04:21 PM
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28. And I get flamed today and yesterday for just what you said. Impeach today!!!
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-11-07 06:37 PM
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105. The flames only serve...
to strengthen my resolve! I've had to walk away from many a verbal altercation around here... with parting words... Just do the right thing. Impeachment is the right thing to do!
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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 05:24 PM
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39. Not period
I'm not done talking about how stupid all this is.
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Phredicles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 08:55 PM
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73. Yeah, that's the truth: "Can't win, don't try, sit back and enjoy the fascism,
welcome to VichyDemocratUnderground.":eyes::puke:
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Harry Monroe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 09:04 PM
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76. Amen to that!!!
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 10:14 PM
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87. even ed schultz is screaming for impeachment now. n/t
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-11-07 06:39 PM
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106. That cracks me up!
I guess some folks are just slow on the uptake... that's ok, there are a bunch of us who have been saying this since the dumbass has been in office and pulled his first round of dirty tricks.

We shall overcome!!!
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 03:21 PM
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17. Because she took impeachment off the table, of course. People expect more
from our leaders.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 03:35 PM
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20. Code Pink is doing that, too. They are equal op protestors
it's just the the whore media tends not to report that part.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 03:46 PM
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23. because it is easier to protest and picket Dems. Picketing Repigs would lead to actual confrontation
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 04:22 PM
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29. Actually no, the repukes have their hearing aides turned down. nt
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Tigress DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 06:42 PM
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48. smirk
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-11-07 06:51 PM
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109. She's the SPEAKER of the (entire) House, NOT the majority leader.
Edited on Wed Jul-11-07 06:52 PM by TahitiNut
What is it about that fact that people don't seem to grasp? :eyes:

"Heavy is the head that wears the crown"??
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 03:47 PM
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25. Because she's not impeaching.
It ain't rocket science.
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 06:45 PM
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50. Neither is the GOP. Is choosing to beseige our sole chance for accountability rocket science?
Edited on Tue Jul-10-07 07:05 PM by jpgray
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philosophie_en_rose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 07:52 PM
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59. With her other 260 votes.
:eyes:
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Tigress DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 06:37 PM
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46. Don't think of it as "protesting" think of it as feet to the fire. She hasn't done her job.
It is the House that brings Impeachment to the table. The people have been firm in our resolve. I have signed petittion after petittion to send to these people saying we are serious about the need to get to the bottom of these issues and get these bozos out of office.

She just sweeps Impeachment off the table. Doesn't even TRY to convince DEMS to do the right thing because for some reason she thinks *ush is a nice guy, a misunderstood man. Or something. I don't know. She made a lot more sense before she got elected.

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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 06:50 PM
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51. yo knight
all she has to do is start proceedings and the let the evidence of the corruption flow out like PUSS from a sore.

www.cafepress.com/warisprofitable <<--- top '08 items & antib*sh stickers!
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 07:07 PM
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53. because 12 people protesting a Republican wouldn't make
the news - and these people are in it for the publicity, not to actually accomplish anything....
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lynnertic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 07:08 PM
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54. she sets the agenda and she gets the press?
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 08:06 PM
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64. She is the one who said it was off the table
That's why she is being pressured.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 11:05 PM
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92. Investigation to study impeachment is urgent --
Edited on Tue Jul-10-07 11:06 PM by defendandprotect
It doesn't matter if you are successful --
The effort has to be made --
And the investigations have to go forward to get the information on the record --


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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-11-07 06:48 PM
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108. "IMPEACHMENT... without it we're a nation of cowards and outlaws."
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KingFlorez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 12:26 PM
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11. These people really need to get a grip
Is there really a point to impeachment if there aren't enough votes to remove Bush from office? I think some people calling for impeachment just want to see the political theatre that is impeachment hearings, they could care less if Bush is removed.


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chaska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 12:36 PM
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12. Yes, how dare they speak their minds. They should STFU...
instead of expressing their justifiable anger and frustration ... and representing the majority of the American people.

Where do they get off???

...You sure you're a Dem?
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 07:58 PM
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62. the majority of the American people
don't support impeachment, so I guess she IS listening to them.
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cureautismnow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 09:10 PM
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78. 54% support the impeachment of Cheney.
"A new poll conducted by http://www.americanresearchgroup.com finds that 54% of American adults want the US House of Representatives to begin impeachment proceedings against Vice President Dick Cheney, including 76% of Democrats, 17% of Republicans, and 51% of Independents. The same poll found 46% of voters in favor of the same thing for President George W. Bush, including 69% of Democrats, 13% of Republicans, and 50% of independents."

http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/?q=node/24390

7/6/07

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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 10:06 PM
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83. the discussion was about impeaching Bush
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cureautismnow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-11-07 07:11 AM
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99. The OP talks about impeachment. Period.
It doesn't distinguish between Bush and Cheney. The majority want Cheney impeached. Why won't Pelosi listen to the will of the people and uphold her sworn duty to defend the COTUS from domestic enemies?
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 01:35 PM
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14. At this point, if you have to ask...
you're really beyond the reach of any argument.
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jtrockville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 02:49 PM
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15. Have senators already made a decision without a hearing?
How can a senator say whether or not (s)he'd convict before hearings are held?
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KingFlorez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 05:14 PM
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35. The majority of them don't even support impeachment hearings
What makes you think that they would vote to convict after the hearings? It would take all of the Democratic Caucus in the Senate, plus 16 Republicans to convict and the Republicans are firmly in Bush's pocket.
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jtrockville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 08:27 PM
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67. Hearings would shine light on the crimes
and the public would bring pressure on their senators to vote in favor of upholding the law. They're breaking away from Bush on the occupation of Iraq, and more will break away from him once their constituents become aware of the criminal behavior that's been underreported.
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KingFlorez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 08:43 PM
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69. Haven't they proven they don't care what their constituents think?
The majority of this country opposes the war and Republicans still block any attempt to end it. They don't care what their constituents think one way or another.
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jtrockville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 10:28 PM
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89. If they're still in office, then no they haven't.
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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 05:27 PM
Response to Reply #15
40. Community college level political analysis
is all anybody would need. The impeachment proponents don't even have a specific charge. Just a list of crimes with no dates, places, documents or legal arguments persuasive enough to turn a large majority into impeachment fans.
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jtrockville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 08:24 PM
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66. Elizabeth Holtzman has lots of dates, places, and legal arguments.
Check out "The Impeachment of George W. Bush" at your local bookstore.
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Duncan Donating Member (498 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 08:52 PM
Response to Reply #40
71. Really?
What about downing street?
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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 10:01 PM
Response to Reply #71
82. Lying isn't an impeachable offense
If lying was impeachable nobody would be left in Washington.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 03:23 PM
Response to Reply #11
18. We have a grip and we're not letting go.
:)
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 03:27 PM
Response to Reply #11
19. Impeachment is a criminal investigation. People want a criminal investigation
It's simple, really.

Impeachment isn't removal, it's a process where the House investgates the executive branch, or the judiciary and determines it there is sufficient evidence to go to trial.

It has nothing to do with votes until the House votes on if there is enough evidence to send the issue to the Senate.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 04:24 PM
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30. Bravo!!! I'm glad you pointed that out, so many people here are clueless
and don't realize that impeachment is started by proceedings and not a vote.

It's amazing the amount of times I have gotten flamed over wanting to start impeachment proceedings.

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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 04:51 PM
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32. Best argument. It's not about removal. Not yet.
Thanks. There are a multitude of good reasons for impeachment. None good against it.
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KingFlorez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 05:09 PM
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34. I was talking about the votes to convict
Nowhere did I say that votes have to do with starting impeachment hearings and I never said impeachment was removal. I was making a point about conviction, which has everything to do with votes. Bush needs to be convicted, not just impeached.
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 05:16 PM
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36. But he can't be convicted before a criminal investigation is conducted. And
no one in their right mind would agree to vote for a conviction before an investigation, and before the House votes whether to send an indictment to the Senate, and before a trial is held in the Senate to determine if Chaney (and then bush) are guilty of any charges that the house sends to the Senate.

All the talk about votes in the Senate is completely premature.

But a criminal investigation is long overdue. That's why Pelosi needs to put impeachment back on the table and a criminal investigation by the house needs to get under way!

Let's see where the evidence leads.
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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 05:32 PM
Response to Reply #36
42. I'm pretty sure the GOP won't vote for impeachment
no matter what happens in a proceeding. The only way they'll vote for impeachment is if there is a big enough public outcry to put their own seats in serious jeopardy. The GOP might not support impeachment even then.
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 08:13 PM
Response to Reply #42
65. Do you mean vote for removal in the Senate? Or impeachment in the house?
The House requires a simple majority to impeach.

In the Senate, removal (after impeachment in the House) requires 67 or more votes.

If they vote against Chaney after all the evidence of all his crimes are out in the open, they will be putting a number of Senate Seats at risk. Independents right now are 51 per cent for Impeachment and 29% opposed and 20% undecided. If the 20% undecided split even that means 61% of independents favor impeachment.

http://americanresearchgroup.com/
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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 05:30 PM
Response to Reply #19
41. You don't need impeachment to investigate
what the guys on the hill really need is for all these impeachment activists to turn their attention toward getting Bush held in contempt. Then we could get some answers. Then we could investigate.

Impeachment would give Bush a fantastic excuse to quit cooperating at all and the impeachment activists won't do a thing about it.
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 07:34 PM
Response to Reply #41
57. Good point, but I'm sure it will be lost in the hyperbole..n/t
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 08:28 PM
Response to Reply #41
68. You have it backwards. bush right now is claiming executive privledge
to the oversite hearings. If that goes to court how long until the Supreme Court decides in bush's favor?

Executive Privledge isn't an option in the criminal investigation known as impeachment, because executive privledge doesn't sheild investigation of a crime.

Oversite hearing aren't considered criminal investigations. How long now has Condi ingored her subpeona? You think that's going to change and why?

How would the congress enforce a contempt charge against the executive? He has the troops, congress has none.

You need to read up on the constitution, on the precidents of executive privledge.

Why would impeachment activist stop now that a majority of the country is in favor of impeaching Chaney? That makes no sense.

If you want to organize a contempt movement, go for it. Let us know when a nationwide poll supports your efforts.
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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 08:48 PM
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70. It doesn't have to go through the courts
There's a legislative route. It hasn't been used since the 30s but its still there. All it takes to find contempt is a trial before one house of Congress and a majority vote of one house of Congress.

Its true that Bush has the troops and could refuse to comply with a contempt finding. Then you'd have constitutional crisis. If Democrats worked up front to convince a large majority of the public that Bush has put himself above the law and has to be stopped, which shouldn't be hard, then the only viable solution would be impeachment. With a constitutional crisis at hand, you'd have outrage, you'd have an open and shut case against Bush, and you'd have Republicans forced between party and the rule of law. Republicans would also know that choosing party would mean forever surrendering their Congressional power to an all powerful executive branch.

Contempt, being the less drastic route, should poll better than impeachment. As for starting a movement, I'm typing as fast as I can. Hopefully, I'm one of many.
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Duncan Donating Member (498 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 08:57 PM
Response to Reply #19
75. I crave the act of the country calling bullshit on this administration to the full extent of the law
Edited on Tue Jul-10-07 08:59 PM by Duncan
Good point.
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kenfrequed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 03:43 PM
Response to Reply #11
21. If
If we only do what we have the votes for in congress then we will probably do very little. Very little of what I voted for anyhow.


Getting out of Iraq? Well Biden says no (as well as a few others)

Fixing Healthcare? Only if the insurance lobby gets to pick the "improvements"

Turning the "Clear(ing) (the) Skies (of air) Initiative" back to the Clean Air act? There are a few dems in coal states that might argue

Education enhancement? Well if we tag on vouchers and school prayer we will certainly have the votes.


I mean seriously why even put up a pure bill? Why wait for the Repug-niks to try to add riders?

Honestly that is one of the worst arguments against impeachment I have ever friggin seen and it would be funny if it weren't so common.
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 03:45 PM
Response to Reply #11
22. Uh-huh.
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Binka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 05:19 PM
Response to Reply #22
38. A Concern Pussy...I LOVE IT n/t
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 07:11 PM
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55. Hi Binka- haven't seen you in awhile!
Where ya been hiding?
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Binka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 07:19 PM
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56. I Had To Flee An Awful Relationship With My Hair On Fire
Just taking some time to douse the flames. Good to see ya! :hi:
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dickbearton Donating Member (577 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 04:52 PM
Response to Reply #11
33. You need to get a grip...
and pull your head out of your ass. It's time to uphold the
constitution.
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Tigress DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 06:42 PM
Response to Reply #11
47. Impeachment is an investigation. The facts need to be shown.
I for one want these bozos out of office. I care VERY much that *ush gets removed.

People are calling for Impeachment BECAUSE that is the beginning of due process to remove a bad pRes.

Watching *ush do a bad impression of Alberto Gonzales doesn't make good theater to me, but it's a necessary step to getting him out.


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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 01:34 PM
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13. Friggin beautiful
When is she gonna be back in SF? I think some of us should pay her a visit.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 02:54 PM
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16. can you hear us now Nancy????
Impeach the rat bastards!!!!
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 03:46 PM
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24. Every Officeholder neads to hear these chants every time they leave the house. Recommended.
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 03:50 PM
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26. Applauding the protesters.
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KAT119 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 04:20 PM
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27. AMEN-AWOMEN-ACHILDREN-IMPEACH THE BASTARDS NOW!!!
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verse18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 04:27 PM
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31. Were is the anti-war=loony left
brigade of DU? I thought they would have attacked this thread by now.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 05:19 PM
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37. A ribbon-cutting is the perfect venue to protest Pelosi and demand impeachment begin
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dwp6577 Donating Member (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 05:38 PM
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43. Could Nan be playing us like a fiddle for the end game?
end game being 'I'

she knows if the dems run on impeachment, they may not win
she takes 'I' off the table to placate the middle
she knows all the while that the BFEE crimes will dribble out
she knows the masses will be furious that 'I' is off the table
she knows approval ratings for congress will fall because they are not doing anything to 'I' the BFEE
she knows the BFEE will continue with their crimes
she knows the roar of the masses demanding 'I' will only get louder
she waits and waits, furthing pissing us all off

The majority of Americans demand 'I'

she announces that she has heard the will of the people and puts 'I' back on the table

'I' proceeedings start and exec priv. can't be used/abused

The BFEE is done...or pulls another insider 9/11

legend:
'I' = Impeach
BFEE = bush family evil empire
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 08:01 PM
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63. The majority of Americans
do not in any way "demand" impeachment.

Where do people get these ideas?
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 10:09 PM
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86. Right here is where
http://americanresearchgroup.com/

Check Chaney - got to do him first
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 10:53 PM
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91. The discussion is about impeaching Bush
and the numbers for that fall between 39% and 45%.

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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 11:22 PM
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97. It's about impeachment, period. Pelosi took impeachment off the table and the people
Edited on Tue Jul-10-07 11:32 PM by John Q. Citizen
want it back on the the table.

Heck, they should warm up with Gonzales, do Chaney next and then bush. By that time they might be pretty good at it.

Only a fool would impeach bush first, because if succesful, Chaney would become president.

Think, man think!

And Kucinich already has his bill to impeach Chaney in the house hopper.

Kucinich is brilliant. He saw what was coming before anybody else in the Congress. And the people are with him. New co-sponsers are coming on almost daily.

If Pelosi would just say, "Hey impeachment is part of the constitution, no one can really take it off the table unless they also take the constution off the table, and I'm not doing that," it would help a lot.

Everyone could kiss and make up. Then she should sign on to Kucinich's bill and the people would love her. She would respect the will of her voters and the country.
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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 06:00 PM
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44. 12 kook fringers caused a disturbance
I don't think the chants are going to turn around Pelosi and they especially aren't going to change the political situation in regards to impeachment. The event might further fuel a nasty fight that lefties are having among themselves. I think Karl Rove is behind all this. Don't any of these impeachment fans understand that the very people they are attacking are the same people Bush fears most?

I got an E-mail today about how After Downing Street Dot Org is going after John Conyers and plans civil disobedience in his office. John Conyers? There is not one elected person in Washington who has done more to promote the issues net lefties and the folks at DU have been concerned about. In fact, when nobody else would pay attention to the Downing Street minutes, John Conyers set up minority party Congressional hearings and bent over backwards to help. Now After Downing Street Dot Org goes after Conyers? What an outrageous act of unreasonability! Its proof that nuts will never be satisfied. If the Democrats delivered impeachment, universal health care, an end to the war and free daycare the nuts would still want to get rid of the Democrats if Bush isn't in jail for masterminding 9/11. Guess who is leading the march to Conyers' office? 100 points to you if you guessed Cindy Sheehan.

Conyers even brought up impeachment last Sunday. Sheeesh.

Conyers is considering criminal contempt charges against the Bush White House. The contempt idea needs all the encouragement it can get. Contempt would punish Bush, enhance the power of investigations of Bush, and possibly lead to an impeachment that everybody would support. The kook fringe is paying zero attention to contempt and instead are attacking the very people who might bring it about.

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Tigress DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 07:01 PM
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52. Pelosi deserves what she's getting, BUT Conyers?!?! WTF?
AH, they are putting pressure on ALL members of Congress, including Conyers, for impeachment.

Conyers has put forth H.Res. 635, which calls for an investigation that could lead to impeachment. I thought impeachment was investigation, but maybe the shading of legal terminology is what counts.

I just know that you can't use a trial's discovery process to make the other side produce evidence against themselves. That's why we lost the battle for Ohio in 2004 because Ken Blackwell did the crime and witheld the evidence against himself.

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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 08:55 PM
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72. No, they aren't pressuring all members of Congress
They are all marching straight to John Conyers' office.

John Conyers is the biggest threat Bush has right now. Conyers is talking contempt. Leahy wants contempt too but he'd need 60 votes to get it through the Senate. Conyers only needs a simple majority. Conyers would have to chair impeachment hearings too, if there are any. If I know Rove, he wants to take out John Conyers anyway they can. They can't effectively go after Conyers from the right. The best scam Karl could come up with to defend Bush would be to turn the left against John Conyers. Why are these people who are supposed to be working against Bush carrying out Bush's most important mission?
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Tigress DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-11-07 07:00 PM
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110. Maybe we are talking about different groups.
Who is planning this march on Conyers office? Do you have a link? I would be more than willing to tell them to back off put pressure on them to let the man do his job, write an op ed, whatever, but I don't know who exactly is doing this because I couldn't find anything except one site that is talking about going to EVERY member of Congress until Impeachment is on the table.

http://www.democrats.com/impeach
How to Create a Congressional District Impeachment Committee
Submitted by Bob Fertik on November 8, 2006 - 7:11am. ImpeachForChange

Nancy Pelosi and the Democratic leaders in Congress say impeaching Bush is "off the table." We must change their minds!

Our plan is simple: we will form Impeachment Committees in all 435 Congressional Districts to persuade all of our Representatives to support impeachment.

Help us Impeach Bush by taking the following 4 steps:

1. Join (or create) an Impeachment Committee in your Congressional District.
2. Collect petitions and handwritten letters.
3. Build support for impeachment by holding an educational town forum, writing letters to the editor, etc.
4. Meet with your Representative, deliver the petitions and ask them to Impeach Bush.



http://www.democrats.com/node/11840

Submitted by Bob Fertik on January 28, 2007 - 7:40am. Impeach.TV ImpeachForChange John Conyers



Rep. John Conyers has never explained why he went along with Nancy Pelosi's decision in 2006 to take impeachment "off the table," but Rob Kall (on right in photo), creator of the remarkable site OpEdNews, got as close to an answer as I've seen.

Link to full article: http://www.democrats.com/node/11840

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 09:13 PM
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80. No, the "kook fringe" is why contempt is being contemplated.
You get what you ask for. First, you have to ask.

Proud member of San Francisco Kook Fringe Local 101. :hi:

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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 10:07 PM
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84. Conyers and Leahy are considering contempt
because a dozen kook fringers yelled at a Nancy Pelosi ribbon cutting? This is a joke, right?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 10:09 PM
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85. Not, that's a ridiculous minimizing of years of work by many
dedicated activists. Your characterization is a joke. And as a professional comedy writer, I don't think it's a funny one.
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Tigress DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 06:33 PM
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45. Don't know what happened to Pelosi, she needs a little fire under her tushie.
Since she's so fond of *ushie.


Love that heckler, "How about cutting the funding for the war?"


Well, she wanted the job, now she needs to do it.

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Mr_Jefferson_24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 06:45 PM
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49. K & R. This kind of public pressure can be effective if kept up. nt.
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 07:36 PM
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58. I doubt it...n/t
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Yukari Yakumo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 11:20 PM
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96. Agreed
In fact stuff like this makes things like impeachment less likely. At least in the immediate future.
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Riverman Donating Member (759 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 07:52 PM
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60. No Place to Hide! Poor Speaker Pelosi! Thank you to the brave and true
patriots who are fighting to retain some shread of democracy alive! I don't care what the legal means would be that would result in Bush/Cheney resigning, being impeached and/or thrown in jail. I could care less about 2008 election posturing. Human beings are being slaughtered every day in Iraq and as a result all other issues are being ignored, underfunded or defunded. Cut off the funding for this illegal, immoral war and use the funds to provide health care to poor seniors, and mothers with babies. If Pelosi won't make Congress take action now, she must resign! She is an accomplice and has blood on her hands as do any member of congress who does not act now to end this war, cut off the funding and get these crimminals out of the White House and the Dept of Justice. Do the right thing - ACT NOW!
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VenusRising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 07:55 PM
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61. Free Speech in action!
I love it and am so proud of those people! :applause::applause::applause:

:patriot:
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 08:55 PM
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74. Thank you
to those brave souls. :yourock:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 09:10 PM
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77. How about cutting the funding for war?..."----wonderful.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 09:12 PM
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79. However, a Bush administration official fired back at the demonstrators, accusing them of not paying


Pelosi ignored the protesters, who were loud enough to compete with her remarks, but not loud enough to drown her out. The event was held outdoors, with invited guests kept outside a police barricade but well within shouting distance.

However, a Bush administration official fired back at the demonstrators, accusing them of not paying taxes. Peter G. Stamison, appointed by President Bush as the General Services Administration's top official for the Pacific Rim region, acted as master of ceremonies.

"I think we all as taxpayers - those of us taxpayers, as opposed to you people back there - are the ones that make this work," Stamison said of the government efforts that brought the new building to life.

"Excuse me, I pay taxes!" a protester yelled.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 09:14 PM
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81. Pelosi ignored a question about Cindy Sheehan,
Pelosi ignored a question about Cindy Sheehan, an anti-war activist and mother of a slain soldier who has decided to challenge Pelosi for her congressional seat unless she moves to impeach Bush.
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Tab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 10:21 PM
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88. Well..

It's clear that regard for law isn't going to prod the administration into complying. They have stonewalled everything.

You can get impeached for lying under oath (just ask Clinton), which is why Bush and Cheney have scrupulously avoided being put under oath at any cost, even during the investigation of the largest act of terrorism against this country.

I suspect if we get too close to impeachment, another terrorism "event" will happen. Although that won't give the people the warm and fuzzies for the administration, one of two things might happen:

- The right will blanket the airwaves about how we want to impeach the adminsitration during the biggest crisis this country has seen since 9/11 - maybe bigger, and must we not hate America if we put impeachment over security?

- Remember the document that snuck out a month or so ago where Bush can declare power over the various branches of government in the event of a national emergency (to "steady the nation" or some such shit) and it took effect once Bush declared the emergency and stayed into effect until he declared emergency over? They didn't write that document during a boring Friday afternoon because they had nothing else to do. Like everything else, they're putting pieces into place either to intentionally use it or have it there as ammo in case they need it. I wouldn't be surprised if that document rears its ugly head if we get a little too close to impeachment. And I suspect impeaching Cheney would be much worse - he's not letting go of power anytime soon.

These guys are running out the clock, and either just stalling for something they know will happen (MIHOP or LIHOP) or just biding their time until elections. It would take a complete power grab to keep them in office past the elections, but I don't put anything past these guys now, although I must say that would blow my mind if they pulled it off. I wouldn't even contemplate that with any other group, but with this group it bears consideration.

God help us all if they try.
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Tab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 10:33 PM
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90. Oooh... this just in
WASHINGTON - U.S. counterterror officials are warning of an increased risk of an attack this summer, given al-Qaida's apparent interest in summertime strikes and increased al-Qaida training in the Afghan-Pakistani border region.

On Tuesday, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff told the editorial board of The Chicago Tribune that he had a "gut feeling" about a new period of increased risk.

He based his assessment on earlier patterns of terrorists in Europe and intelligence he would not disclose.

"Summertime seems to be appealing to them," Chertoff said in his discussion with the newspaper about terrorists. "We worry that they are rebuilding their activities."

Other U.S. counterterrorism officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity, shared Chertoff's concern and said that al-Qaida and like-minded groups have been able to plot and train more freely in the tribal areas along the Afghan-Pakistani border in recent months. Osama bin Laden and his top deputy, Ayman al-Zawahri, are believed to be hiding in the rugged region.

"The threat coming out of there is very real, even if there aren't a lot of specifics attached to it," one of the officials said.

More: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070711/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/summer_terror_threats


Imagine that. Thanks for keeping us safe, guys.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 11:09 PM
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93. Cheney needs a few more months to shred all his documents.
Not that anyone would impeach him, did he get a blowjob or sumthin?
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Elspeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 11:10 PM
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94. I think what you say has a lot of merit
I'll bet they've had anti-impeachment plans in place all along.
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Riverman Donating Member (759 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-11-07 12:41 PM
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103. Another Event would Mean Cheney can no longer claim that
our country has been safe for 5-6 years! Another event on their watch!
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Xenotime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 11:19 PM
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95. Perfect!
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Yukari Yakumo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-10-07 11:26 PM
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98. What an idiotic stunt
Stuff like this achieves nothing. It actually hurts the cause.

Idiots like this only think one ply in advance. Damn the outcome, we want what we want and we want it yesterday.

A few of us on this board at least thinks three plies in advance. We have a good idea what'll happen if we press forward with things like impeachment, and the gains (if any) are not remotely worth the risks.

People like Pelosi, Reid, Clinton, and Obama think eight plies in advance. That's how they got to where they are now.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-11-07 07:27 AM
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100. Need some 2 ply after that post.
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Wiccan Warrior Donating Member (388 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-11-07 07:30 AM
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101. You're not saying we sit back
and let this admini$tration get away with this crap are ya?
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Binka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-11-07 12:56 PM
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104. Hurting The Cause...Oh Your Concern Is Touching
Hey guess what Reiko why don't you go press your pants while the rest of us grown ups press forward with the BIG IDEAS.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-11-07 07:50 AM
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102. I hope she hears it in her sleep.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-11-07 06:41 PM
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107. Damn I miss on the good opportunities
to tell them what I think....

Phone her again tomorrow demanding impeachment... she is a fool if she does not do it.

People, yep the ones these people work for, ARE PISSED
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