What's so wrong about buying sex?

[Philosoraptor]

This vitter schmuck caught in the D.C. madame expose proves once again that the only thing that can bring down a powerful republican two faced family values illegal war supporting hypocrite is to get caught with a hooker.

Don't ALL republicans pay for hookers? I always thought that politicians got the very finest hookers that huge amounts of tax payer money can buy, what's so horribly wrong about it that ruins their careers when caught? Don't they all do it in D.C.?

You can be a war profiteering pig, send 4000 soldiers off to die for a bunch of lies, be responsible for the deaths of a million people, and that's all perfectly fine with the American citizens, but God forbid you ever get caught with a hooker or it's the big exit from 'public service'.

But the bigger question is, why is buying sex such a big deal?

[porphyrian]

1. Kick for seeing that subject line first thing after logging on - n/t

[MADem]

2. I thought it was "dead hooker or live boy" in the parlance of problematic discoveries

The simple reason is that the practice offends Middle America, and doesn't promote those family values they tout so much.

It's really kind of pathetic, IMO. A hotshot in DC, a Senator, and he's gotta pull out his wallet and put an encounter on the old VISA? So much for Star Power, I guess!!!!!!!!

[cassiepriam]

6. For repugs everything is a commodity to be bought and sold. Much easier to buy sex

than have to buy a woman a drink and be nice to her for an hour.
Also no nasty love triangles to mar their image.

[theHandpuppet]

3. I have to admit, I don't see what the big deal is

There's all manner of things in this world we have to pay for whether we like it or not -- like war -- so what's the big deal if someone chooses to pay for sex?

[Matsubara]

4. It's not wrong, but it is hypocritical for a family values repug...

...and it's also illegal.

[safeinOhio]

5. BUT, BUT

the SC says $=free speech. So, it's a 1st amendment issue. I'm sure it won't take long until the RW radio host spin it that way.

[MessiahRp]

7. Prostitution probably should be legal

As long as it's regulated, i.e. frequent STD test submissions to get a clean health card, zoned into a part of town in which children are out of walking distance, pimps illegalized... then there's no reason it shouldn't be legal.

It's that persons' body and if they want to sell it for sex then I don't see the issue. If pimps who beat women and take advantage of them are outlawed, prostitution is a victimless crime.

It could even have a special higher tax rate (given the amount taken in for services, this would be understandable) and would be another way for cities to gain much needed revenue after most have taken local funding hits thanks to the Bush budgets.

Ro

[JoDog]

14. During the Civil War

prostitution was legalized for a short time in Memphis by the occupying Union Army. The leadership tried everything they could to keep the enlisted men away from the city's prostitutes because of the high rates of STDs. They pressed the immorality issue, punished soldiers found in brothels, etc. They even tried shipping all the prostitutes up river for a while, except more workers came in to fill the void, and once the original prostitutes returned, they had more hookers in town than ever.

Finally, they decided to stop treating it like a morality problem and started treating it like a public health problem. Prostitution was legalized, but every hooker and brothel had to be licensed. The licensing required a medical examination. Any women found to have an STD were sent to a special hospital just for women. Any soldiers found to have an STD were also quarantened in a special hospital. Members of neither group were allowed out into the general population again until they were free of disease.

The truely beautiful part is that the entire program paid for itself with license fees. And it worked. The rates of infection decreased. After peace was declared and martial law ended, the program did too.

[dbt]

8. Well, it makes you a buysexual!

Gays and straights hate your sorry ass 'cause it stays on the fence, picking up splinters.

:hi:

[tomreedtoon]

9. Well, basically, prostitution is slavery.

I doubt if one out of a thousand women or men choose prostitution as a career, or even a way of picking up some spare change. They wind up in it through desperation, or they're forced into it. They get treated like bags of meat, they generally get little rest, quite often they're not allowed to use condoms, and they are mentally abused. There are few "old" hookers because they die so young.

And anyone that tells you different...will also tell you that Bush is a great guy and the war is going swell.

I've broken off relations with my older brother because I found out, when he was a teenager, he stole money to pay for hookers. He supported human slavery. I might not even attend his funeral when he dies.

[MessiahRp]

15. If you take a pimp out of an equation... how is it slavery?

I consider it free choice. A prostitute unless under management of a pimp, chooses who they want to do business with, what their rates are, location of the acts... that is not slavery.

Rp

[tomreedtoon]

19. If you took the wheels off a car, it would roll smoother?

You seem to be continuing the misconception that a woman would love to be tortured and humilated for chump change, and that it's only her "manager" that makes it a corrupt business. It's similar to the belief that Communism would have worked if you just got rid of the party apparatus that ended up ruling everybody.

This is the real world we're working in, and turning sex into an even cheaper and more humiliating commodity than the 1-900-SlutNumbers ads requires somebody holding the whip hand. And nobody who is sane would do this voluntarily; someone must be whipping them. There will always be a pimp. Gravity will always work.

[fasttense]

10. Most people who sell their bodies for sex

are forced into it. Not all people, but the vast majority of women have pimps who force them into it and keep them there. Some are forced into it at an early age because they have no means of making any money. Some are forced by their drug addictions. Very little of the money made in sex for hire goes to the person having the sex. Madames, pimps and the house usually make the big bucks while for the most part, the prostitute gets very little.

It is a sleazy, dangerous, humiliating and poorly paid profession.

[Hawaii Hiker]

13. Your generalizations are off base

While there is the sterotypical side (the one the media will always show when doing any stories on prostitution) of the druged out hooker doing tricks in the back of a Pinto in the Tenderloin area of San Francisco with the overweight & unattractive client..Then, she gives her money to Silky the Pimp in the hopes of not receiving a beating..Yes, there is a sleazy/dangerous side, but there is also a very high end to the business as well...

In places like NY, LA, London, there are Maxim model types & adult film stars who charge upwards of $1,000/hour....Some just work a few days for extra $$$...To put to rest another sterotype, not every girl is on meth, cocaine, etc....Some girls have traveled the world w/clients, & some have received gifts such as cars, clothes, etc...

Yes, there is a "sleazy" side to prostitution, but, I can say with absolute certainity that there is a very high end to escorting as well, the one you'll never see in media portrayls.....



:popcorn:

[Ian David]

11. I once told a Repuke politician that he should be in favor of legalizing prostitution...

so that hookers could be licensed and regulated like psychiatrists.

And like psychiatrists, prostitutes would be required to protect the confidentiality of their clients.

That way, we wouldn't have so many Republickers resigning after being caught with hookers.

He wasn't amused.

Fuck you too, Olly DeMacedo. Glad you lost, asshole. (And I still give the middle finger to the handful of people I see with your bumperstickers on their cars. Fuck THEM, too).



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[youngdem]

12. It's not a big deal. The hypocrisy is.

[NewJeffCT]

16. It shouldn't be a big deal

but, it is.

1) It's illegal
2) It's also major hypocrisy for married members of the party of family values to be caught with a hooker.

If Sen. Vitter was single and had been a long-time crusader for legalizing prostitution, then it would not be such a big deal (unless of course, if Vitter was a Democrat)

[Clark2008]

17. Nothing - if you're not married.

I think most of these men involved are married and, unless you've agreed to some sort of open marriage with your spouse, then it then falls into the category of usurping vows, breaking trusts and out-and-out lying.

I, personally, think that we should just pay women better so they wouldn't have to resort to that lifestyle - it's rife with drug abuse to quell the feelings of shame (had friends in the biz), but my biggest problem with it is the cheating - which would go for any cheating that didn't involve money, as well.

If you want to sleep around, bag it and don't get married or marry someone who doesn't care if you do sleep around. Pretty simple.

[boobooday]

18. All Americans pay for Republican sex

Fornication isn't free!

Pay or pray!

You can support your local male prostitutes by donating to the church collection plate, or your high-dollar DC hookers with your tax dollars.

[TahitiNut]

20. The second formulation of Immanuel Kant's Categorical Imperative

"Act in such a way that you treat humanity, whether in your own person or in the person of any other, always at the same time as an end and never simply as a means."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categorical_imperative#The_second_formulation