I think I would rather have had Bush/Cheney over Gore/LIEBERMAN now with hindsight

[NNN0LHI]

We would be looking at 8 years of Lieberman as president real soon more than likely after serving as the Democratic vice president had Gore and him won in 2000.

Think about that. We would be looking at a president with a D after their name who today sounds more Republican than most identified Republicans. He is a war criminal already. He wouldn't have hesitated to use nukes if he ever got control over them.

We would be really screwed if this guy had become president before showing his true self and letting us all know what a complete whackjob he was all along. Hell, I would probably be sending money to his campaign about now. Holy shit.

Perhaps things do happen for a reason.

Don

[yardwork]

1. No.

[NNN0LHI]

3. 8 years of Lieberman as president sounds real good to you does it? n/t

[Alexander]

9. Apparently 8 years of Bush as president sounds good to you.

So what, exactly, are you doing here? :eyes:

[NNN0LHI]

I think 8 years of Bush sounds better than 8 years of Lieberman

I don't know maybe you are a Lieberman fan?

Don

[Alexander]

33. No guarantee Lieberman would serve 8 years...

In fact, there's no guarantee Lieberman would've been elected in 2008, either.

"I don't know maybe you are a Lieberman fan?

Don"

Nice straw man.

Maybe you are a Bush fan?

:eyes:

[LeftishBrit]

59. Look, I've disliked Lieberman since he got to be senator in 1988...

but can you *honestly* say he's worse than Bush?

[pnwmom]

44. Eight years would have been plenty of time for Lieberman to show his stripes.

Most V.P.'s don't go on to win. Lieberman would have been one of the losers.

But even so -- 8 Bush years are worse -- I don't think Lieberman would be shredding the Constitution. The "unitary executive" is an evil Republican concept.

[trayfoot]

23. NO WAY are we BETTER OFF with these CRIMINALS!!!

I cannot even imagine thinking this! Who's to say Liebermann would have been VP for all 8 years!

[NYCGirl]

2. We would also be looking at no 9/11, no Iraq War, no right leaning SCOTUS...

Edited to add:

Habeas Corpus intact, a budget surplus...

[NNN0LHI]

6. You think Joementum would have guaranteed Habeas Corpus for the next 8 years?

I don't.

Don

[NYCGirl]

11. So you think he'd be able to kill Habeas Corpus with Gore at the helm?

I guess you think he's SUPERLieberman! This isn't fucking Bush and Cheney we're talking about.

[NNN0LHI]

16. If you read my original post you see the 8 years begins after Gores 8 years

Like in about another year or so.

Don

[NYCGirl]

22. And how'd you know that he'd run and win? It sure was a good 8 years for

President Quayle, wasn't it?

[Alexander]

12. You think Joementum would've been elected to 2 terms?

I don't.

Hence the name "Joementum". :eyes:

[SammyWinstonJack]

10. Well on our way too breaking our ties to ME oil dependence.

[racaulk]

17. Also no PATRIOT Act. n/t

[More Than A Feeling]

4. You're insane.

Lieberman would have been replaced in 2004, once his "Clinton cover" was no longer needed.

[partylessinOhio]

Totally insane. Lieberman would have been excluded from the loop.

He could never become president, never!

How anyone could say Bush was a good thing, heaven help us!



:grr:

[deaniac21]

5. Clear thought.

[EFerrari]

7. That's a mightly thin silver lining.

lol

But I agree in the main -- who knew this guy, who used to come off as everyone's favorite uncle, was such a huge @sshole?

[Alexander]

8. No thanks, I think life would've been better without a war in Iraq.

8 years...of Gore getting things done.

There has been so much damage done to this country in the past 8 years, on top of about 20 years of further damage, that needs to be repaired.

I'd have settled for 4 or 8 years of Lieberman (even Joe isn't quite as bad as Bush) if it meant Gore had been president for the past 8 years.

[in_cog_ni_to]

13. Oh G-d no. NO ONE is worse than this regime. Lieberman would never be elected prez anyway n/t.

[cascadiance]

14. LIEberman would have had as much chance of following Gore...

... as Cheney has to follow Bush in to the presidency... Little and none (barring a fascist takeover!)

Though, I wonder if we might have had another JFK-style assasination of Gore to try and put Lieberman in charge like Johnson was...

[NNN0LHI]

19. Why? He bullshitted us all for decades until he became the Dem VP choice

He would have just bullshitted us a little longer until he became president.

Don

[JerseygirlCT]

42. That was one person's choice (still inexplicable to me, tbh)

this would have to be an entire party's choice.

Wouldn't happen. Not in a million.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

15. I think what you're trying to say is "look at the silver lining."

I agree to that extent. There is good that will come from all this shit.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

20. What Good?

It will take a generation to undo Ailito and Roberts' appointment to the Supreme Court given the ages of the liberal and ultraconservative justices...

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

21. The destruction of the Republican party.

I'm not saying things are good now. But I'll wager five or ten years from now will be a very good time and place to be a liberal.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

26. Hopefully

Did Nixon cause a paradigm shift?

Jimmy Carter barely beat his hand picked successor and four years later a Republican was back in the White House...

[jpgray]

24. "The ends justify the means" is not a responsible political strategy

If the electorate is more aware of how criminal Republicans are, great. I'd still trade that for a Gore presidency in a heartbeat, even if people didn't budge an inch from their former apathy. (not that they're all that actively involved now, or anything.)

[DemocratSinceBirth]

18. Dumbest Post On The "Internets"

Brian

[Alexander]

35. Agreed. This stupid shit violates DU rules and should be locked.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

37. Sometimes This Board Is Unintentionally Funny...

eom

[Alexander]

43. I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

It's ironic and unintentionally hilarious, but the fact that self-described liberals, Democrats and progressives say things like this boggles the mind.

[Behind the Aegis]

46. You got that right!

This is just rank! Someone needs glasses because thier hind"sight" is myopic and out-of-focus.

[wuushew]

25. Working for Gore may have made Lieberman more progressive

kind of like how people changed in the alternate timeline in Back to the Future II.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

28. Lieberman Would Have Been Fine If He Was Confined To Domestic Policy....

I doubt he would have talked Gore into invading Iraq...

[NNN0LHI]

29. Lieberman appears to be pretty set in his ways to me

He has never seen a war he didn't like.

Don

[Alexander]

56. And unable to win presidential elections.

Your premise - that he would automatically win the presidency - is ridiculous. We saw Joementum's campaigning skills in 2004.

Furthermore, please explain to us DUers how even 8 years of a Lieberman presidency could be worse than Bush. (BTW, you must provide evidence Joe would pick even WORSE SCOTUS nominees)

Otherwise you just sound like a troll, a freeper and a Bush supporter rolled into one.

[librechik]

27. No you wouldn't. You are just having a heat stroke.

LIEberman would be a whore for our side, if Gore/Lieberman were installed. We would have to worry about Gore's direction, and I'm not worried about Gore. (i know what you're talking about with LIEberman though. I can't stand the guy!)

Sit down, drink a cool glass of water and relax for awhile. You're not yourself.

:loveya:

[damntexdem]

30. Nonsense. LIEberman would have shown his true colors, ...

and have been dumped for Gore's second term.

[dansolo]

31. We wouldn't have a Lieberman presidency

Even if Gore's presidency was immensely successful, Joementum would never take off. He either wouldn't get the nomination, or he would lose in the general election. I can't conceive of any situation where Joe Lieberman would be elected President, ever. If Gore kept him on a tight leash, he would be doing a lot less damage as VP than as a stealth Republican in the Senate.

[MasonJar]

32. You would prefer to have the Idiot-in-Chief for sure as opposed to

the possibility of Liebermann in 08? I am sure that the dead soldiers and Iraqi citizens would have to disagree. And so would I.

[Zensea]

34. there are so many ridiculous assumptions in this post

it's hardly worth replying.

First one of course being the assumption that 8 years of Gore would mean 8 years of Lieberman afterwards.

Some people have too much time on their hands.

[Az]

36. There is no guarantee that Lieberman would have been retained

If Gore established a strong presidency Lieberman would no longer be needed to carry the right leaning voters. He could have been let go.

[onenote]

38. The part of the OP I don't understand is where it says "I think"

Doesn't seem like it.

[uppityperson]

39. I disagree.

The invasion/occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan, Habeas Corpus no longer valid, PATRIOT act, disemboweling of FEMA, the plunge of sentiment towards the USA worldwide, SCOTUS going way conservative, near overturn of Roe v Wade, wiretapping, fear fear fear, etc etc etc, all this happened so perhaps Lieberman wouldn't be president? wow.

And you prefer having all this happen so as to not even risk having Lieberman be president? double wow.

[JerseygirlCT]

40. Oh, I don't think so. The man is utterly lacking in any charisma

or backbone. I don't think he would have impressed enough to stand on his own.

Look at the blistering success his presidential campaign was -- couldn't even win CT.

[MagickMuffin]

41. I think your Crazy 8 Ball is broken

There is absolutely no way to KNOW if Joe would have won in the general election.

After all Gore didn't win (according to the official record) and he WAS VP for 8 years.

What makes you think Lieberman would have won?!?!?

I wouldn't have voted for him, period..........

[WilliamPitt]

45. DU has officially gone batshit fucking crazy.

[Alexander]

60. No, just the incredibly silly OP.

I am puzzled as to why this thread isn't locked already.

[WinkyDink]

47. 8 Years of Lieberman couldn't possibly be worse than 8 years of Bush. And GORE

would have picked the SCOTUS newbies.

Think about THAT.

[NNN0LHI]

49. Do you think Lieberman wouldn't have nuked Iran first chance he got?

I suspect he would. He is already calling for air strikes.

Don

[Alexander]

58. Do you think Lieberman would have been ELECTED?

Get your head on straight. He's not Mr. Popularity.

[uppityperson]

61. Why do you think he would be elected, in your mythical universe?

No, I prefer to not have the awful things have happened that have happened, rather than worrying about a non-existent unlikely future threat.

[ProSense]

48. Yikes!

Yikes!

[Canuckistanian]

53. Likewise!

I don't even know how to respond to that one.

[churchofreality]

50. No way Lieberman gets elected president, NO WAY!

He sucks as a candidate

[Uncle Joe]

51. Several points, I would like to make

1. The whole space/time continuum changed with the selection of 2000, it's possible Lieberman would be a different person today, had he served under Al Gore for almost eight years. See the movie "It's a Wonderful Life" for details.

2. It's possible Al Gore would not have chosen Lieberman for his second term, FDR didn't have Truman in the beginning.

3. There is no guarantee Lieberman would have won on his own, running for President.

4. It's possible 9/11 wouldn't have happened, and we wouldn't be at war period and if it had happened, we most certainly wouldn't be in Iraq. Al Gore would've actually went after the people who attacked us instead of lumping anyone who disagreed with us as being against us, all of foreign relations would've been different.

5. I believe Al Gore would have followed Jimmy Carter's lead and actually worked to bring about a peaceful settlement between Israel and the Palestinians. He would've had more influence with Israel because of Lieberman, instead of allowing the situation to fester as Bush did.

6. Al Gore wouldn't have turned the Constitution in to toilet paper, condoned torture and wiretapped the American People with out judicial over sight.

7. Two moderate to conservative Supreme Court Justices would have been replaced by two liberal to moderate ones.

8. The debt wouldn't have exploded causing the dollar to go in to a meltdown.

9. Al Gore wouldn't have reversed him self overnight as Bush did on the issue of controlling the emissions of green house gases and we would be that much farther ahead in averting the looming catastrophe of global warming climate change.

10. There would be no threat against the Internet as it is today, Net Neutrality would be safe.

11. Al Gore would have followed up on NAFTA to ensure labor and environmental protections and been far more competent in controlling illegal immigration.

Of course hindsight only seems to be 20/20 because no one can prove it, this is why I prefer my leaders to be forward thinking, preferably even visionary, as is the case of Al Gore.

[NNN0LHI]

52. All great points worth considering

Thanks for your input.

Don

[Edweird]

54. Lie down. Drink plenty of fluids. Put a cold compress on your forehead until the fever passes.

[NNN0LHI]

55. The thought of the possibility of Lieberman ever becoming president gave me the willies

:scared:

[Edweird]

62. I understand. Me too. But Gore for 8 years would have made the a better place.

Everything would be different right now.

[LeftishBrit]

57. Could ANYONE have been worse than Bush/Cheney???

Lieberman's bad but he's not as bad as Cheney.

And VPs do not automatically become presidents.

Post-war examples:

Not even sure who Truman's VP was; anyway he didn't become president.

Eisenhower's VP Nixon became president eventually, but not immediately after his term as VP.

Kennedy's VP Johnson became president because Kennedy died; he only stayed one term.

Johnson's VP Humphrey ran for president but lost.

Nixon's VP Agnew did not become president. His VP Ford became president for 2 years after Nixon resigned, but was never elected.

Ford's VP Rockefeller did not run.

Carter's VP Mondale later ran but lost.

Reagan's VP Bush DID get to be president - but for 4 years, not 8.

Bush's VP Quayle got nowhere near the presidency.

Clinton's VP Gore - well, we know what happened there...

Bush's VP Cheney will not run for president (thank God!)

So just because someone gets to be VP does not give them 8 years as president.

And I repeat - NO ONE could be worse than Bush/ Cheney!