Explain these "WTF" numbers...

[Laura PourMeADrink]

http://pollingreport.com/bush.htm
USA Today/Gallup Poll. July 6-8, 2007. N=1,014 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3.
"As you may know, impeachment is the first step in the constitutional process for removing a president from office, in which possible crimes are investigated and charges are made. Do you think there is or is not justification for Congress to begin impeachment proceedings against President Bush at this time?"

There Is Justification 36%
There Is Not Justification 62%
Unsure 3%


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PRESIDENT BUSH – Overall Job Rating in recent national polls

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USA Today/Gallup 7/6-8/07
Approve 29%
Disapprove 66 %

Newsweek 7/2-3/07
Approve 26%
Disapprove 65%

CBS 6/26-28/07
Approve 27%
Disapprove 65%

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

1. Maybe it's got something to do...

with shitty rags like USA Today.

[thecrow]

2. They need to impeach Cheney first...

and when he says "Chimpy made me do it!"
then go after that Smirky one.

[cureautismnow]

3. The 62% are obviously ill-informed.

If the msm would do their jobs, that number would certainly fall.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

5. But they are informed enough to know he's a dope (65% dislike)

[firefox_fan]

4. Did they flip the numbers?

...

[Laura PourMeADrink]

6. ha !

[cassiepriam]

7. It's official. The American people have no moral core.

If they think there is no justification
for impeachment they are as bad as BushCo.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

9. Hmm. Michael Moore quotes poll that says NEARLY HALF US

http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/latestnews/index.php?id=10000
July 6th, 2007 8:41 pm
Much of US favors Bush impeachment: poll


WASHINGTON (AFP) - Nearly half of the US public wants President George W. Bush to face impeachment, and even more favor that fate for Vice President Dick Cheney, according to a poll out Friday.

The survey by the American Research Group found that 45 percent support the US House of Representatives beginning impeachment proceedings against Bush, with 46 percent opposed, and a 54-40 split in favor when it comes to Cheney.

The study by the private New Hampshire-based ARG canvassed 1,100 Americans by telephone July 3-5 and had an error margin of plus or minus three percentage points. The findings are available on ARG's Internet site.

The White House declined to comment on the poll, the latest bad news for a president who has seen his public opinion standings dragged to record lows by the unpopular war in Iraq.

The US Constitution says presidents and vice presidents can be impeached -- that is, formally charged by the House -- for "treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors" by a simple majority vote.

Conviction by the Senate, which requires a two-thirds majority, means removal from office.

Just two US presidents have been impeached: Bill Clinton was impeached in 1998 and acquitted in 1999; Andrew Johnson was impeached and acquitted in 1868. Disgraced president Richard Nixon resigned in 1974 when a House impeachment vote appeared likely.

In late April, left-wing Representative Dennis Kucinich, a long-shot Democratic presidential hopeful, introduced a resolution calling for Cheney's impeachment. To date, the measure has nine listed co-sponsors and a 10th set to sign on when the House returns to work next week.

But Democratic leaders appear unlikely to pursue such a course.

[cassiepriam]

11. OK I stand corrected. Only half the US is crooked and immoral. :(

[Rosemary2205]

8. So I'm vindicated.

I've been saying for months that the American public is not behind impeachment (yet). -- and taking a lot of abuse for it on DU I might add.

The MSM is not doing their job, and until they do there's little hope of getting a majority of Americans behind impeachment.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

14. The American people don't give a shit about anything. Just

go see Sicko. He shows France and Britain - and universal health care. And that the people would be out in the streets protesting if the government took it away.

Our people go to the streets for nothing, nothing.

[snappyturtle]

10. You might find the following interesting if you didn't hear

Elizabeth Holtzman discussing impeachment last night with david Boies and Pat Robertson....I posted this earlier today:

"Did you hear Eliz. Holtzman on MSNBCconcerning impeachment?
You may find her discussion with Pat Robertson and David Boies interesting. Read the transcript here:

www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19693651/"

She explains "high crimes and misdemeanors" and I underlined more interesting "stuff".....the numbers in those polls just don't jive. imho

[Laura PourMeADrink]

13. wHAT a crock of shit from Abrams !!!

"There‘s a difference between disliking, even despising a president and one who deserves to be impeached. Treason, bribery and other high crimes and misdemeanors—that‘s the stiff constitutional standard that must be overcome to impeach a president or vice president."


Bullshit --- 3,609 Reasons!

[snappyturtle]

16. Yeah it was bs from Abrams but Holtzman really held her own.

David Boies even smiled while she was talking but not a smirky smile! I found Elizabeth's explanation of high crimes and misdemeanors interesting....it's not the road block I though it was.

[TahitiNut]

12. Grammatical obfuscation - dangling modifier.

The longer and more complex the question, the less likely the responses make sense.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

15. refresh my memory - dangling modifier

[TahitiNut]

19. "at this time" can apply to 'is (justification)' or 'begin' ... it's not clear.

Even more, it's 'noise' ... there's no need for the phase whatsoever. The present tense 'is' IS sufficient - depending on the meaning of 'is,' I guess.

Furthermore, the question is a circumlocution - in that it doesn't DIRECTLY ask whether the person themselves believes * SHOULD be impeached but, instead, asks whether third parties (Congress) have some (undefined) 'justification' to begin doing so. In effect, it asks people to divine some meaning for the word 'justification' as it might be seen from the perspective of 435 members of Congress. Even further, use of the (5-syllable) word 'justification' instead of the (2-syllable) word 'reason' invites some bizarre impressions and interpretations ... especially in telephone polls taken by folks who may or may not have a speaking style (speed, accent, etc.) that's easy for the polled person to understand.

It's just my impression, but I don't believe that question was honestly designed to obtain actual opinions.

In any legitimate psychometric or sociometric, a great deal of time and attention is given to the form of the questions and their sequence. Yes, 'their sequence.' It's really quite remarkable how answers can be 'primed' by the preceding questions.

[goodgd_yall]

17. Maybe they don't know the meaning of "justification"? n/t

[TheBaldyMan]

18. Maybe a case of a loaded question on a biased poll?

Pollsters have been knwn to phrase questions that will elicit a desired response, especially when it has a yes/no/undecided option.

Add a spineless media pushing propaganda for years into the mix and the result isn't surprisig at all.