Rush Limbaugh helps a distraught dittohead work out his ethical dilemma regarding Vitter

[Maddy McCall]

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RUSH: This is Jed in Biloxi, Mississippi. You're next, sir. It's great to have you on the program.

CALLER: Hey, mega dittos, Rush. You're the greatest. You're the greatest.

RUSH: Thank you.

CALLER: Listen, I'm from Louisiana, and a big support of David Vitter, a great Republican, you know, he was an up and rising star I guess the Republican Party. And, you know, I'm not one of these people that gives 50 or a hundred bucks to campaigns. I'm giving thousands of dollars to Republican candidates in the state, and I'm so disgusted right now. My question to you is -- and I want to do this but I'm going to hold off because you always hold off when you're aggravated -- should I ask for my money back or stick with a friend in time of need? What do you think?

RUSH: (chuckles)

CALLER: (chuckles)

RUSH: You know, I am not your conscience.

CALLER: (chuckles)

RUSH: I am not (interruption). Now, what are you...? Snerdley, you think I'm backing out here? I am not copping out! Snerdley thinks I'm copping out. You're not going to get your money back anyway. They won't give it back to you.

CALLER: (laughing) I've been told that already. But I could raise a fuss, you know, if I wanted.

RUSH: Well, you gotta weigh some things here. You have to weigh some things in making your decision. Let me walk you through your decision. You've got Vitter. Do you like his work? Do you like what he's done as a senator? Do you like the position he had on illegal immigration for example?

CALLER: Yes, he voted against the bill. Yeah, he's a good conservative. He's a great conservative. I know him. He's a great guy.

RUSH: Is he human?

CALLER: Yes. Yes, he is.

RUSH: Yeah. So that means everybody as a human being commits sin. We've all done it.

CALLER: Yes, that's right.

RUSH: Okay. So boils down to whether or not you want to get mad at him for being a hypocrite.

CALLER: Right.

RUSH: Do you want to let Larry Flynt determine who your senators and congressmen are?

CALLER: Oh, God, no!

RUSH: Well, you remember the name Bob Livingston?

CALLER: Of course I do.

RUSH: Well, what --

CALLER: Of course I do. He blew it, being speaker of the House.

RUSH: What did we get out of that deal? Here you've got Bill Clinton torquing interns in their in the Oval Office. Livingston comes out and says what he says, and he resigns. None of the Democrats ever resign. They get résumé enhancements. The Republicans do a good enough job of shooting themselves in the foot as it is, without this stuff coming up every now and then. I think life would be nothing without understanding and forgiveness.

CALLER: Well, you don't make decisions when you're aggravated and I'm going to hold off for a while, but I'm really scared to death of the Republican Party now, and also you get Republicans in the State Republican Committee people asking for his resignation. I mean what -- what -- what...? Democrats don't ask for that. Like you said, they don't ask for resignations.

RUSH: Of course not. They're résumé enhancements. They're résumé enhancements for these guys. They can kill women and rise to the highest reaches of the United States Senate!

CALLER: That's right. They do. It's frustrating as hell. It really is. I'm not going to ask for it back. I'm going to hold off for a while.

RUSH: Look, the point is, there's a double standard out there. Everybody gets married takes a vow, Republican and Democrat alike -- and the Democrats keep talking about commitment, commitment, commitment, when they start talking about gay marriage, for example. "Gay marriage! We gotta have gay marriage. People who are committed to one another, we must make that possible for them to cement their vows under the eyes of the law," blah, blah, blah.

Okay, fine. They take vows, too. If they violate their vows, nothing happens to them because they supposedly don't run around talking about family values and morality. So they get a pass? Because they don't talk about values and morality, they are free to be as perverted and depraved as they want with no consequences, but because Republicans do talk about morality and values, when they slip up, just like Democrats do, gone. "You hypocrite! You better get outta here! You're not worthy of our leadership." None of them are worthy of our leadership if we're going to judge 'em this way. So there's this double standard. We've sat around here and we've accepted this and we've taken it so long. What Vitter said is right. Just because he fell off whatever, just because he committed his sin, doesn't mean he doesn't know what sin is. It don't disqualify him from sitting in judgment over things that are right or wrong, because everybody makes mistakes. Hopefully you learn from them. But when you make a mistake, the left wants to disqualify you from having any say so in it anymore. Even worse than that, they say, "If you didn't sign up to go to the Army, you have no business talking about war! If you're not an astronaut, you have no business talking about the space program!" They're trying to shut us up. They're trying to stifle speech any which way they can. If we're going to willingly throw away our decent people over something that happens across the human spectrum, well, then we deserve what we're going to end up getting. Nobody can say they maintain the highest standard possible, I don't care if they are a preacher, I don't care if they are in the highest levels of whatever business is oriented around morality in this country; nobody is clean and pure as the wind-driven snow. I hope the answer helped.


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http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_071107/content/01125108.guest.html

[aquart]

1. And he said the same thing about Clinton, right?

RIGHT?

[kwolf68]

2. It's like Groundhog Day

The pricks are having a delima about one of their own falling off the morality truck and spend half the call and all their vitriol trashing (you guessed it) Democrats.

Defend yourself you JuCO Flunkout waste of protoplasm!!!!

And the real question I have is why would someone call the likes of Limbaugh, who has absolutely NO EDUCATION in ANY ISSUE OF ANY importance. yet, these fuckers listen to his views on war, pregnancy, crime, environment, etc.

You people {the dittodicks} are fawning at a loser, a flunkout....he's rich, but he's a bloated piece of pig shit.

[Ron Green]

3. My IQ suffered just reading that transcript.

[Maddy McCall]

LOL

:rofl:

[Sparkly]

4. Values, morality, hypocrisy

Because they don't talk about values and morality, they are free to be as perverted and depraved as they want with no consequences, but because Republicans do talk about morality and values, when they slip up, just like Democrats do, gone. "You hypocrite! You better get outta here! You're not worthy of our leadership."

Do they REALLY not get this? We don't criticize OTHER PEOPLE'S sex lives in terms of "values and morality" unless it involves children, harassment, coercion, or dishonesty. This is indeed about the hypocrisy of campaigning on finger-wagging at other people's "morality and values" while hiding skeletons in your own closet.

(I wouldn't even judge the diaper fetish -- if it's true -- as immoral. But in this case, I can't help finding it funny as hell.)

[xchrom]

6. the problem is they DO get it.

the object here is to hate -- see the words perverted, depraved and no consequences?

right out of the nazi play book -- and that's the intention.

rush for one wouldn't even mind if he drove his viewers to violence -- remember timothy mcveigh?

[BlooInBloo]

5. You can't fool me! I know The Onion when I see The Onion!

[damntexdem]

7. So, Jed called and talked to a bigger whore than Vitter ever visited.

And he's worried about ethics?

[Johonny]

8. proof

that you do not have to be really intelligent to make a lot of money.

[librechik]

9. The Clenis is like Christ. You can give all your sins to the Clenis

and be forever forgiven and guilt free.

The Clenis is great, and all encompassing.

All praise the Clenis!

[Betsy Ross]

10. We don't take vows

In Judaism, marriage is a contract with the rights of the wife spelled out in a document called a ketubah. No vows.

[NashVegas]

11. Rush Likes His Enhancements

Doesn't he?

[blogslut]

12. That winding walk didn't help me at all

I'm still lost. Republicans get to claim moral superiority and those Republicans that do sin are forgiven because Democrats are sinful? Huh?

[NMMNG]

13. He's so full of it

Okay, fine. They take vows, too. If they violate their vows, nothing happens to them because they supposedly don't run around talking about family values and morality. So they get a pass? Because they don't talk about values and morality, they are free to be as perverted and depraved as they want with no consequences, but because Republicans do talk about morality and values, when they slip up, just like Democrats do, gone. "You hypocrite! You better get outta here! You're not worthy of our leadership."


No, we just don't go around pushing our values and morality on others the way they do, and demanding others live by our values and morality. And when we slip up we don't say "Oh, well I asked God to forgive me and he did--lah dee dah life goes on", then keep on doing whatever we want without giving a crap who got hurt by what we did. That's what's getting a pass to be perverted and depraved as you want with no consequences.

[DemGa]

14. That's a helluva mind-twist

Oxy-boy has his emotionally crippled audience wrapped around his finger. These are sick, sick people.

[Wiley50]

15. Rush: "They can kill women and rise to the highest reaches of the United States Senate!"

Only one I remember doing that was Joe Scarborough

and he was a rightie

unless he was thinking about Gary Condit
and they never tied him to the body

In Joe's case the body was on the couch in his office

but no=one was charged in either case

[dysfunctional press]

17. he was referring to chappaquiddick...

they will NEVER stop beating that one into the ground.

[Parche]

16. Interns

I didnt know interns were 'prostitutes' ..thanks Rush for clearing that up...:rofl: :rofl:

[CatholicEdHead]

18. Of course the gay marriage card is played

Just play to the emotions as usual Rush.

[Emit]

19. Rush could be this doc's number one lab rat -- prime example of RWA thinking

Course, we all knew that, but still...

I think this excerpt of Rush's rationalization meets each one of these criteria, as did Sara Taylor's today, and that guy Issa, I think it was, during the Conyers' hearing. They're nuts.

:crazy:

From Altemeyer's book, The Authoritarians
Seven deadly shortfalls of authoritarian thinking

Chapter Three
How Authoritarian Followers Think

... research reveals that authoritarian followers drive through life under the influence
of impaired thinking a lot more than most people do, exhibiting sloppy reasoning,
highly compartmentalized beliefs, double standards, hypocrisy, self-blindness, a
profound ethnocentrism, and--to top it all off--a ferocious dogmatism that makes it
unlikely anyone could ever change their minds with evidence or logic. These seven
deadly shortfalls of authoritarian thinking eminently qualify them to follow a wouldbe
dictator. As Hitler is reported to have said,“What good fortune for those in power
that people do not think.”

1. Illogical Thinking

~snip~

... High RWAs indeed had more
trouble remembering details of the material they’d encountered, and they made more
incorrect inferences on a reasoning test than others usually did. Overall, the
authoritarians had lots of trouble simply thinking straight.

~snip~

... authoritarians also have trouble deciding whether
empirical evidence proves, or does not prove, something. They will often think some
thoroughly ambiguous fact verifies something they already believe in.

2. Highly Compartmentalized Minds


... authoritarians’ ideas are poorly integrated with one another.
It’s as if each idea is stored in a file that can be called up and used when the
authoritarian wishes, even though another of his ideas--stored in a different file--
basically contradicts it. We all have some inconsistencies in our thinking, but
authoritarians can stupify you with the inconsistency of their ideas. Thus they may say
they are proud to live in a country that guarantees freedom of speech, but another file
holds, “My country, love it or leave it.” The ideas were copied from trusted sources,
often as sayings, but the authoritarian has never “merged files” to see how well they
all fit together.

~snip~

3. Double Standards
When your ideas live independent lives from one another it is pretty easy to use
double standards in your judgments. You simply call up the idea that will justify
(afterwards) what you’ve decided to do. High RWAs seem to get up in the morning
and gulp down a whole jar of “Rationalization Pills.”

~snip~

4. Hypocrisy
You can also, unfortunately, find a considerable amount of hypocrisy in high
RWAs’ behavior.

~snip~

5. Blindness To Themselves

If you ask people how much integrity they personally have, guess who pat
themselves most on the back by claiming they have more than anyone else.

~snip~

6. A Profound Ethnocentrism

... authoritarians see the world more sharply in terms of their
in-groups and their out-groups than most people do. They are so ethnocentric that you
find them making statements such as, “If you’re not with us, then you’re against us.”
There’s no neutral in the highly ethnocentric mind. This dizzying “Us versus
Everyone Else” outlook usually develops from traveling in those “tight circles” we
talked about in the last chapter, and whirling round in those circles reinforces the
ethnocentrism as the authoritarian follower uses his friends to validate his opinions.

~snip~

The ethnocentrism of high RWAs makes them quite vulnerable to unscrupulous
manipulators.

~snip~

You’ve probably already figured out that high RWAs generally do favor a
tough law and order approach to crime. And you know what? If somebody comes out
for that during an election, but only after polls show this is a popular stand,
authoritarian followers still believe him. It doesn’t matter whether the candidate really
believes it, or might just be saying it to get elected. High RWAs tend to ignore the
many devious reasons why someone might lie and say something they find agreeable.
They’re just glad to have another person agree with them. It goes back to their relying
on social support to maintain their ideas, because that’s really all they’ve got besides
their authorities (and one “last stand” defense to be discussed soon).

~snip~

7. Dogmatism: The Authoritarian’s Last Ditch Defense

... they have a dogmatic streak in them a mile wide and a thousand denials deep.

~snip~

... if the arguments against you become overwhelming and persistent, you
either concede the point--which may put the whole lot at risk--or you simply insist you
are right and walk away, clutching your beliefs more tightly than ever.
That’s what authoritarian followers tend to do. And let’s face it, it’s an awfully
easy stand to take. You have to know a lot nowadays to stake out an intelligent,
defendable position on many issues. But you don’t have to know anything to insist you’re right, no matter what. Dogmatism is by far the best fall-back defense, the most
impregnable castle, that ignorance can find. ...

http://members.shaw.ca/jeanaltemeyer/drbob/chapter3.pdf

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1284808&mesg_id=1284808
"Speak Out Now or Forever, Perhaps, Be Silenced"



edited for clarity, I think :crazy: